Tipping - the basis of all that is wrong in the US

[Burkina2008]

This is beyond ridiculous, the tipping scheme here in the US. Yes I am here performing an audit, but come on Ive lived all around the world and its ridiculous how prices are here: x + tax + tip!!! Anywhere in the world the price you pay is the price in the menu, tipps are for rounding the bill nothing else. 58,30 euro family meal, give 60 euros, thats a 3% tip and nobody will complain if you ask for the change. And you know what? Waiters and taxi drivers live much better in europe than in the US. So the problem is the Industry not the people that you say are cheap for not tipping.
Instead of complaining about bad tipsters, complain about ur only profit driven government that does not create laws for the employeer to provide you with a decent salary!
Also I am reading now that you are expected to tip for cleaning my room at the hotel every day? I am here working, my company pays 250$ a night to the hotel and I am suppose to give 5$ from my own money for a service that is included in the hotel price? You gotta be kidding me, its a really fckd up society the US

[cecil127]

im guessing youre cheap as phukk and not very popular at the bars/restaurants/hotels. acquiring a taste for spit, eh?

[James Marques]

Oh look, another one of these threads. This should go well.

[Burkina2008]

im guessing youre cheap as phukk and not very popular at the bars/restaurants/hotels. acquiring a taste for spit, eh?

i am guessing u r so dumb that u cant understand that the problem lies within the system of tipping that is wrong and yes if I was to tip 5$ evry day just for a cleaning my hotel room, I would end up spending every year around 1k just in those tips...for u probably pocket change

[gauchojake]

Waiters in Europe aren't complaining when I leave them 20% so kindly shut the Fukk up.

[killawookie]

While never in your position.. I whole heartedly agree. Alot of times I got out to a bar get a pitcher of beer and a cheesesteak and pay $15 but 'have' to tip to make it even worse. The up charge on food and beer that cost them less then what I tipped the bartender is pathetic. People make the choice to settle for low pay.. i guess when you go out you automatically become charitable... and become a cheapass if you dont tip lol.

[Burkina2008]

Waiters in Europe aren't complaining when I leave them 20% so kindly shut the Fukk up.

they arent complaining but they will not serve u any better and if you like to throw money in the trash, congrats, u r officially retarded...

[Swinging Johnson]

Don't get outraged. Just don't tip. The men and women working in the service industry rely on tips because they get paid below minimum wage. It's customary in our society and as a guy who likes a good table anytime I want it, I have no problem tipping 25-30% for those that treat me right. You feel differently so do your own thing. Personally I would rather tip than have 18% added to my food cost because at least now I get to determine the servers value and not the house.

[easyliving]

another foreigner complaining about the US, as if the Canadians weren't enough now its a European guy, the majority of the population doesn't mind tipping, and if you have issues with tipping a person for services they provide you that just means your a cheap penetrate nothing more.

[Kermit]

I didn't know that you were supposed to tip the cleaning lady in hotel rooms. That must be why I always seem to have shit missing when I stay at them.

[leetreaper]

Completely agreed, who don't understand that or don't want to understand are pure retards.

[Burkina2008]

another foreigner complaining about the US, as if the Canadians weren't enough now its a European guy, the majority of the population doesn't mind tipping, and if you have issues with tipping a person for services they provide you that just means your a cheap penetrate nothing more.

because the american way is always the correct way...

"and if you have issues with tipping a person for services they provide you that just means your a cheap penetrate nothing more" - i have issues with the employeer exploiting a person an expecting for a client to pay with tips the service that the company should pay to their employee in the first place, and if you cannot see that u really are a dumb penetrate!

[Kermit]

because the american way is always the correct way...

"and if you have issues with tipping a person for services they provide you that just means your a cheap penetrate nothing more" - i have issues with the employeer exploiting a person an expecting for a client to pay with tips the service that the company should pay to their employee in the first place, and if you cannot see that u really are a dumb penetrate!

It's kind of like giving your employee a bit of range and in how much they can earn. A nice organized happy waitress working 40 hours a week may take in $500 in tips while a crabby bitch who always smells like smoke may only pull $250.

[gauchojake]

It's not that its right or wrong. You're in the US and that is the custom.

Now tell us again why you're here working. It's probably because the company hiring you is paying you less money, right?

[Burkina2008]

It's not that its right or wrong. You're in the US and that is the custom.

Now tell us again why you're here working. It's probably because the company hiring you is paying you less money, right?

No I work for one of the biggest german companies in the world and I audit all over the world, of course this company is also present in the US... this is another discussion that I already have in the forums and in most of the EU people get more money on average for the same job and we get free healthcare, education and rent when we stop working...god bless America...

[gauchojake]

Enjoy your time here pal. Just a "tip" - don't go to the same restaurant twice if you don't tip. And never eat yellow snow.

<<<====== Over-tipper

[capone1899]

another foreigner complaining about the US, as if the Canadians weren't enough now its a European guy, the majority of the population doesn't mind tipping, and if you have issues with tipping a person for services they provide you that just means your a cheap penetrate nothing more.

The majority of the population are uneducated , factory working, in debt up to their ears, idiots. Nice point there chief

[onemoregoal]

Huh? Where dont you tip at HOTELS!
Resturants, I can understand. It depends where it is, how enjoyable the experience was and it should be upto you how much you want to tip. Lots of resturants in UK/London have a default percentage added, that i dont like.
Taxi drivers, I do agree with. With a (good) waiter s/he can make the meal more enjoyable. The old lady cleaning your room, could do a really good job........ Taxi driver not so sure what he can do to make the trip better, as you just want to get to a-b.

[CountNo_Account]

Got a tip for ya right here!

[Cookie Monster]

Many people are so used to tips that they do not see the issue here. It is not generous guys vs cheap guys trying to not tip. I am happy paying the full price, enough to pay fair wages to all employees and give business a profit. As in 99% of commercial transactions. But some business pay slave wagers, because they expect customers to pay the wagers of the employees in the form of a "voluntary" surcharge called tip. I agree on tipping as an appreciation gift for an extraordinary service. But now it is more like an expected extra cost for a merely passable service. It is so expected that it is already distributed to the rest of the staff and taxed BEFORE it is done. It is not like, if there were no tips, only dumb people would work for slave wages. The business then would have to pay a market wage, and employees would still try to give a good service or would be fired. As every other worker.


So, it is tip or not to tip. Is having a price "all included" with decent wagers, vs having a "false low price" (thus stiffing sales tax) and slave wages hopefully complemented by ancillary charges. Which do you prefer?

[gauchojake]

I actually went to a restaurant the other day that had the best sushi I've had in a long time. The bill included a 16% tip (no more/no less) which I found to be pretty cool. I didn't have to worry about it and the service was still great as was the food.

If there was a standard service charge for servers it would be a lot easier.

[PerfectGrape]

I agree that the USA's labor laws do a bad job of providing adaquete wages compared to other countries

[Kermit]

Many people are so used to tips that they do not see the issue here. It is not generous guys vs cheap guys trying to not tip. I am happy paying the full price, enough to pay fair wages to all employees and give business a profit. As in 99% of commercial transactions. But some business pay slave wagers, because they expect customers to pay the wagers of the employees in the form of a "voluntary" surcharge called tip. I agree on tipping as an appreciation gift for an extraordinary service. But now it is more like an expected extra cost for a merely passable service. It is so expected that it is already distributed to the rest of the staff and taxed BEFORE it is done. It is not like, if there were no tips, only dumb people would work for slave wages. The business then would have to pay a market wage, and employees would still try to give a good service or would be fired. As every other worker.


So, it is tip or not to tip. Is having a price "all included" with decent wagers, vs having a "false low price" (thus stiffing sales tax) and slave wages hopefully complemented by ancillary charges. Which do you prefer?

Do you and I know each other from back in the day?

[gauchojake]

Do you and I know each other from back in the day?

Same creator, different hand in the ass

[MoneyLineDawg]

I was just in Italy and it's nice having the tip built in already, but it's really not a big deal either way.....Shit would just cost more if we didn't tip and the companies had to pay their workers more

[Mikail]

There is already a thread just like this one.

[Boner_18]

The client/customer pays the full price of the goods/services regardless whether its included in the purchase price or is in the tip. As the consumer I'd rather have more control and discretion over the total cost.

[NrmlCurvSurfr]

Boner gets it...gives the server some motivation to perform. If he/she was paid the same for good and bad service, where is the motivation?

[zizoudane10]

Tip in Germany isn't required. You either do it or you don't. Normally you say the rule is 5-10%. 10% percent if you didn't spend much, 5% if the bill is rather high. If you didn't like it, you don't give shit and that's it.
Tip here isn't because THEY need it to live, but because YOU want to show them that they did a good job and you were happy with it.

[boeing power]

If you don't wanna tip, don't go to places that expect it.

Eat at fukin McDonald's.

[BennyBigNuts]

America is the best country in the world and everyone wants to live here.
You should feed off of that.
And $5 a day is an exaggeration for tipping the cleaning lady in a hotel.
If you're crying about tipping to begin with, there is ZERO chance you re tipping them that well.
A buck or 2 is fine.
It's a token of appreciation for a service you are getting.
Americans appreciate things, and understand the struggle, bottom line.
In euro-trash countries it's different.
They are paid a shit ton more because the country as a whole isn't smart enough to take over a tipping system to help small business owners like ours.
That's why your food is also 3-4 times as expensive at a decent joint.

[ACoochy]

America is the best country in the world and everyone wants to live here.
You should feed off of that.
And $5 a day is an exaggeration for tipping the cleaning lady in a hotel.
If you're crying about tipping to begin with, there is ZERO chance you re tipping them that well.
A buck or 2 is fine.
It's a token of appreciation for a service you are getting.
Americans appreciate things, and understand the struggle, bottom line.
In euro-trash countries it's different.
They are paid a shit ton more because the country as a whole isn't smart enough to take over a tipping system to help small business owners like ours.
That's why your food is also 3-4 times as expensive at a decent joint.

Lol u couldnt pay me enough to live in that 4th world socialist shithole...

[pavyracer]

I don't mind tipping. But put the tip in the menu price. Make my steak menu price $25 instead of $19.99. So when you bring me the damn bill I give you $25 and mind my own business. Why is it so fukking hard to add the tip in the menu price?

[GT21Megatron]

Got a tip for ya right here!

[MoneyLineDawg]

I don't mind tipping. But put the tip in the menu price. Make my steak menu price $25 instead of $19.99. So when you bring me the damn bill I give you $25 and mind my own business. Why is it so fukking hard to add the tip in the menu price?

Why does it matter? It's not that fukkin hard to add it yourself at the end....takes 2 seconds and it can be high or low depending on what you feel is deserved

America has some legitimate things wrong to be bitching about, tipping isn't one of them