GOD

[BigDofBA]

The shooting in Vegas reminds me of a bible story? God wanted to destroy a city because of their ungodliness and an
angel said, if I can find one person who is loyal to you, will you spare the city? God said yes. The angel found hundreds
and the city was spared. Or to some effect.

Relating to the vegas shooting, in my own weird way, I'm comparing the bible story to vegas. Was God wanting to see
if we humans would care for one another during the worst mass shooting in our history? Would he destroy us if we only
cared for ourselves?

As we saw, mostly everyone, not paid cops or emergency personnel, cared for one another beyond anyone's expectations.

Sorta makes you wonder. We were spared massive solar flairs recently and huge asteroids, some we saw others we didn't.

So God allows 59 people to be slaughtered and 527 to be injured as part of a a test to see how we react?

Surely you aren’t that stupid.

What a shitty God you worship. God is supposed to be all knowing. Why doesn’t he already know how people will act? Isn’t one of his commandments thou shall not kill?

This is such a bunch of BS. Yeah, God might have just let innocent people die to see what would happen. Get real.

Tell a family member that lost a son, daughter, mother, or father this non-sense and see how they feel about it. Give me a break man.

[maggiethebestdog]

GOD obviously is a slow learner. How many tests do you have to give humans to know that they will react poorly to any situation and fuucckk everything up. It has been that way since day 1. C'mon GOD, give it up already. No more tests. We are failures, and that means you are a failure. Time for GOD to do some self reflection. Maybe read a self help book.

[rkelly110]

Hey, whatever boys. That's my theory. Think about that when that asteroid just misses us by 27k miles tonight.

[maggiethebestdog]

Hey, whatever boys. That's my theory. Think about that when that asteroid just misses us by 27k miles tonight.

So GOD isn't going to test us to see how we react to an asteroid hitting us??? So when tragedy strikes it is a test but when tragedy is avoided he is saving us?? Wow. What a great job to have. Take no blame for the bad and take all credit for the good. Wow. God definitely is a chick.

[BigDofBA]

Pray for Aurora
Pray for Charleston
Pray for Paris
Pray for Nice
Pray for Orlando
Pray for San Bernandino
Pray for Manchester
Pray for Vegas

Thanks for all of these tests God....what a great guy you people worship.

Maggie is right. Why not just kill off 95% of the population and see how we deal with it?

God is good. God has a plan...what a crock of shit.

[brainfreeze]

So God allows 59 people to be slaughtered and 527 to be injured as part of a a test to see how we react?

Surely you aren’t that stupid.

What a shitty God you worship. God is supposed to be all knowing. Why doesn’t he already know how people will act? Isn’t one of his commandments thou shall not kill?

This is such a bunch of BS. Yeah, God might have just let innocent people die to see what would happen. Get real.

Tell a family member that lost a son, daughter, mother, or father this non-sense and see how they feel about it. Give me a break man.

No, this isn't a test... that's why he said " his opinion ". Dude, i get it bad things happen to good people and it is terrible. These things happen for reasons past our own understanding and some of it can be " a test " to the individuals effected and how they handle it. Some can be broken forever over these kind of events. God would have that no one ever be harmed, He sent His only Son for us remember? This is DEMONIC premeditated slaughter and has nothing to do with God. He doesn't control mans will (demonic spirits can influence and so can The Holy Spirit), not robots..

and the good will of man will carry on. Like the kid that saved 30 and hit in the neck or the one who stole the truck to pick up the wounded ... incredible, heroic moments were all over the place... The good inside of people found and lost. The will of man, not robots.. with God amongst us. All knowing ... non-controlling (will) God. I believe this guy will pay an ultimate punishment for his actions.. that's what I know. That won't be a test either...

[maggiethebestdog]

Humans have a brain disorder which makes them incapable of accepting the FACT that nobody really has any answers to the meaning of life. Since not one shred of evidence exists of an explanation, some people will grasp at ANYTHING to fill this void. The fact that it is, to this point, 100% fact free and devoid of any known truths does not matter. They cannot live their life with the only words any non delusional person would live by. " I have some crazy unproven theories, but nobody really knows" They just can't bring themselves to accept it. Obviously religion, and other things, have been created by man out of a desperate necessity to know something that is not known to this point.

I am not an atheist. I certainly know religion is made up, but I am conflicted. Part of me believes life is really just us here and then it is over. No external meaning at all. But part of me wants to believe that there is reason behind the insanity. I would also like to think that their is some form of after life justice. I obviously have no idea. Nobody does.

The difference is that I will not allow myself to be taken advantage of by a lie. I want answers but my rational thought will not allow me to believe something completely illogical, impossible and contrary to all known facts. My beliefs are just that, beliefs. I have nothing to back them up. Therefore I would never claim to "know " if they are true. I certainly have mental defects but the need to make something up to explain the unknown isn't one of them. There very well could be a creator or intelligent being that rules the earth. I guess I am not supposed to know. I certainly don't know what happens when we die. No living person does. To even suggest that someone does is the pinnacle of insanity. It wouldn't be so bad if religion wasn't the greatest divider of people ever introduced into society.

[terpkeg]

Pray for Aurora
Thanks for all of these tests God....what a great guy you people worship.

Maggie is right. Why not just kill off 95% of the population and see how we deal with it?

God is good. God has a plan...what a crock of shit.

This has probably happened several times already. We are overdue for a good cleanse.

[rkelly110]

Religion has been proven as fact since the human existence. We have been worshiping anything and everything for
a very long time. Some to bring us a harvest, others just to control people or a combination of both.

Then you had a man who said he was the son of God. An actual human being, not the sun, moon or the rain.
He died on the cross for every man, woman, child and their sins. He told us that whoever believes in him,
will have everlasting life.

King James of England rewrote the bible and is what most go by today, but the dead sea scrolls tell of a different
Jesus, a more human one, who had a family. Still died for you and still said believe in him to have a life in heaven.

Don't have actual proof, but damn near as you are going to get. If you do research on those who died and came
back will enlighten you, but that's only if you want to and have an open mind. The ball is in your court. It's up to
you to take that shot. Many like yourselves have seen the light.

[BigDofBA]

I understand why people want to think they have a great purpose and a personal relationship with the creator of the universe and I also understand why they want to believe in some afterlife rather it be with streets of gold or 72 virgins.

I don't buy into this. The meaning of my life is what I make it. Not what some religion I prescribe to tells me.

When I wake up and walk outside everyday I don't see all of the "magic" that the Bible talks about and I never will. There aren't 900 year old people running around, people living in whales, or people walking on water. The things in the Bible just don't happen....nor do the things in any other religious text.

If these things did we would see them every day. I find it hilarious people think it's just a coincidence that these things quit happening when we invented the camera. What a tricky guy that God is.

The truth is, no one knows why we're here or how it all begin. A book written by man when man was relatively stupid doesn't prove anything. Why would anyone believe such a book written by people that thought the earth was flat and the center of the universe? People really think there were snakes that could talk? WTH

Some day we'll figure it out well after we all here are dead and then people will look at us just like we look at the ancient Greeks today. Our Gods will be no different than Gods like Zeus.

As a result, I go off common sense, logic, and science.

[Axman3000]

The problem people have when trying to understand the existence of God is the perception that our earthly existence is the most important part of who we are. Face it, when talking about eternal existence in an afterlife even an atheist should realize that decades of earthly existence when compared to eternity is really not that much. What is suffering in our extremely short earthly existence compared to painless bliss in eternity? I'm never a person to try convince people that God exists when they are for certain that he doesn't (even though I am a devout Christian). These people are going to have to find God themselves because they will reject any attempt to be converted. However, I do wish these same people would try at least understand that Christians see things like pain and suffering differently than how a non-believer would see it.

[maggiethebestdog]

The problem people have when trying to understand the existence of God is the perception that our earthly existence is the most important part of who we are. Face it, when talking about eternal existence in an afterlife even an atheist should realize that decades of earthly existence when compared to eternity is really not that much. What is suffering in our extremely short earthly existence compared to painless bliss in eternity? I'm never a person to try convince people that God exists when they are for certain that he doesn't (even though I am a devout Christian). These people are going to have to find God themselves because they will reject any attempt to be converted. However, I do wish these same people would try at least understand that Christians see things like pain and suffering differently than how a non-believer would see it.

You don't know if there is life after death. No living person does. There is not ONE shred of anything that points to it or the existence of God. Near death experiences have been re-created in labs for 40 yrs. It is a fact it is the brain hallucinating due to lack of oxygen. That is called a fact. Religious people can believe whatever they want, but to somehow insinuate it has any basis in reality is insane.

[Axman3000]

You don't know if there is life after death. No living person does. There is not ONE shred of anything that points to it or the existence of God. Near death experiences have been re-created in labs for 40 yrs. It is a fact it is the brain hallucinating due to lack of oxygen. That is called a fact. Religious people can believe whatever they want, but to somehow insinuate it has any basis in reality is insane.

This is the way I see things. If you throw a ball in the air what will happen? Science tells us that gravity will bring it back down. What are the chances of the ball turning into a bird and flying away? Before you answer 0% just think about it for a minute. People on earth understand the rules of the universe through science. Who is giving us those rules though? Just like pieces in a board game, we are playing by a set of rules given to us by the rule book (ie. science) but have no idea what rules the game player plays by. Humans can only see what we are told we can see and experience a reality that we are told to experience. Scientists are good at interpreting OUR rule book but are only allowed access to OUR rules. Faith comes in when we believe in something we are not allowed to access at this time in our existence.

[brainfreeze]

This is the way I see things. If you throw a ball in the air what will happen? Science tells us that gravity will bring it back down. What are the chances of the ball turning into a bird and flying away? Before you answer 0% just think about it for a minute. People on earth understand the rules of the universe through science. Who is giving us those rules though? Just like pieces in a board game, we are playing by a set of rules given to us by the rule book (ie. science) but have no idea what rules the game player plays by. Humans can only see what we are told we can see and experience a reality that we are told to experience. Scientists are good at interpreting OUR rule book but are only allowed access to OUR rules. Faith comes in when we believe in something we are not allowed to access at this time in our existence.

I agree with a lot of what you are saying but there's two points I'd like to highlight. One from the last post is God cares about all of His church all through time, our hair is numbered... so I believe our existence is but a bleep, in this life it's also a important bleep.. it all matters.

Second, faith comes by hearing the Word of God. Once we sincerely plant these seeds of faith, faith grows. When our eyes are opened, our faith grows, when we feel ourselves doing a good we know that is The Holy Spirit helping influence, faith grows. When circumstances line up so that you know God is involved, faith grows. When we see something extraordinary or a miracle happens, faith grows. When we see things only God can do like restore me ... people's faith grows.

So there's plenty of access to things right here, right now ... that will help a faith as small as a mustard seed, grow.

[maggiethebestdog]

This is the way I see things. If you throw a ball in the air what will happen? Science tells us that gravity will bring it back down. What are the chances of the ball turning into a bird and flying away? Before you answer 0% just think about it for a minute. People on earth understand the rules of the universe through science. Who is giving us those rules though? Just like pieces in a board game, we are playing by a set of rules given to us by the rule book (ie. science) but have no idea what rules the game player plays by. Humans can only see what we are told we can see and experience a reality that we are told to experience. Scientists are good at interpreting OUR rule book but are only allowed access to OUR rules. Faith comes in when we believe in something we are not allowed to access at this time in our existence.

I never claimed to understand how things work. I am sure there is plenty of things going on I am not aware of. But when a group of people claim to have that answer and they are putting faith in something that is not based in any reality, there is a difference. Science goes by what we have the capability to understand things. That is all we can go by. Science never claims to know intangibles. NOBODY knows the intangibles. For people to claim to have any idea of anything outside of ourselves is insane. Using your logic, I could write a manifesto on how the spaghetti monster rules the universe and when we die we all go to an all you can eat spaghetti buffet that lasts forever. Then I convince a bunch of delusional people it is true. That has the same factual basis as any religion. Just because you don't know something doesn't entitle to make up any insane story you want and then act like it has any credibility when you are challenged on it. You have a mental disorder.

[brainfreeze]

For people to claim to have any idea of anything outside of ourselves is insane.

We are over a hundred pages in now maggie with nearly a 100k views on a sportsbook forum. What is insane about a man finding his Maker?

[maggiethebestdog]

We are over a hundred pages in now maggie with nearly a 100k views on a sportsbook forum. What is insane about a man finding his Maker?

The spaghetti monster is my maker. He is everyone's maker. I am not insane.

[brainfreeze]

The spaghetti monster is my maker. He is everyone's maker. I am not insane.

God is smarter than you maggie. Some can humbly understand this and be in awe by it and try to learn a different way or can miserably hit their head against the wall trying to convince themselves that " there is no God ". " Everyone is either dumb, lying, or brainwashed ". " The science points to apes or there's no way Noah did that ". Once we just slllowww down and start with Gods love for us the POSSIBILITY of Gods evergreen love for us. Then start reading like a Hebrew if you want back to front (rev to gen or gen to rev, kjv preferably) it's an amazing story. Really focus on the Gospel. He's Gods message to fallen man. If we can try to walk like He walks we can kind of start to relate. Take it seriously ... like your life and your families lives depended on it (speaks for everyone that doesn't truly know Him not just maggie) this is not a spaghetti joke, this is real life.

[brainfreeze]

God is smarter than you maggie. Some can humbly understand this and be in awe by it and try to learn a different way or can miserably hit their head against the wall trying to convince themselves that " there is no God ". " Everyone is either dumb, lying, or brainwashed ". " The science points to apes or there's no way Noah did that ". Once we just slllowww down and start with Gods love for us the POSSIBILITY of Gods evergreen love for us. Then start reading like a Hebrew if you want back to front (rev to gen or gen to rev, kjv preferably) it's an amazing story. Really focus on the Gospel. He's Gods message to fallen man. If we can try to walk like He walks we can kind of start to relate. Take it seriously ... like your life and your families lives depended on it (speaks for everyone that doesn't truly know Him not just maggie) this is not a spaghetti joke, this is real life.

doesn't go to say most of the tangibles are important and glad you've studied them.

[maggiethebestdog]

I am admitting that I don't have the answers. You are the one that thinks you have the answer by believing in nonsense. You are the one that needs to be humbled. You have a mental disorder.

[brainfreeze]

I am admitting that I don't have the answers. You are the one that thinks you have the answer by believing in nonsense. You are the one that needs to be humbled. You have a mental disorder.

I don't take any mental meds, mood stabilizers, or even tylenol. I hardly get head aches. I am humble though. My pride is in Him and through Him life is good. It's sad that you have to be disrespectful and call people things that they aren't. We aren't calling you crazy because our heart wouldn't let us know what we know and have what we have and sit back and laugh at you. Even though a " normal " person probably would just walk away.

[bigtymer56]

I never claimed to understand how things work. I am sure there is plenty of things going on I am not aware of. But when a group of people claim to have that answer and they are putting faith in something that is not based in any reality, there is a difference. Science goes by what we have the capability to understand things. That is all we can go by. Science never claims to know intangibles. NOBODY knows the intangibles. For people to claim to have any idea of anything outside of ourselves is insane. Using your logic, I could write a manifesto on how the spaghetti monster rules the universe and when we die we all go to an all you can eat spaghetti buffet that lasts forever. Then I convince a bunch of delusional people it is true. That has the same factual basis as any religion. Just because you don't know something doesn't entitle to make up any insane story you want and then act like it has any credibility when you are challenged on it. You have a mental disorder.

I'm intrigued...do we need to do anything special to gain access to this buffet?

[maggiethebestdog]

I don't take any mental meds, mood stabilizers, or even tylenol. I hardly get head aches. I am humble though. My pride is in Him and through Him life is good. It's sad that you have to be disrespectful and call people things that they aren't. We aren't calling you crazy because our heart wouldn't let us know what we know and have what we have and sit back and laugh at you. Even though a " normal " person probably would just walk away.

Mental meds wouldn't be a waste of your time

[maggiethebestdog]

I'm intrigued...do we need to do anything special to gain access to this buffet?

I am glad you asked. First off, you must give your life to the spaghetti monster. If he says 2+2=5, you will be killed for questioning him. He will test you now and then by killing a ton of people, possibly your loved ones, but you will actually thank him for it. If anyone asks you for proof you just say none is needed. You have faith in him. Anyone that does not accept the spaghetti monster as their savoir will spend eternity in a crowded deli that never calls your number. That is Hell for the non believers. Most importantly, you will spend 10% of your monthly income on spaghetti while the men that cook it for you molest little boys. Sounds great, huh???

[Snowball]

Then you had a man who said he was the son of God. An actual human being, not the sun, moon or the rain.
He died on the cross for every man, woman, child and their sins. He told us that whoever believes in him,
will have everlasting life.

King James of England rewrote the bible and is what most go by today, but the dead sea scrolls tell of a different
Jesus, a more human one, who had a family.

This is all quite incorrect on various levels.

[rkelly110]

This is all quite incorrect on various levels.

Itsnot!

[brainfreeze]

Itsnot!

Rkelly .. this isn't up for debate unless we have scholars that study ancient Hebrew, paleo Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Who understand meaning and symbolism as well(Which I have spoken with)

The Dead Sea scrolls verify Gods Words were as they are now. .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textus_Receptus

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version

[BigDofBA]

Just because you were born into Christianity or your family forced it upon you doesn’t mean it’s right.

Why do you Christians believe in Christianity but not Islam or Judaism?

You have no good reason other than your geography or how you were raised.

Muslims don’t believe in your religion and you don’t believe in theirs. Me, I don’t believe in any of them.

Atheists admit that we don’t have all the answers but we’re not taking the lazy way out. We’re actually trying to understand and figure shit out.

For example, people used to think that God caused rain, snow, wind, earthquakes, the sun to rise, etc. We now know that’s not true and understand why these things really happen.

Man used to think the earth was flat and the center of the universe. We now know that isn’t true.

Do any of you religious people even understand how large space is? What about the Milky Way galaxy? Earth is nothing but a speck of dust in the universe.

Do you really think a “God” would create this infinitely large universe just to put life on this one speck out in the middle of no where?

Of course not. As time goes one, we will continue to learned and understand more. The answers to our beginning probably lie in the cosmos.

By the time figure all of this out we will all be long gone and people will look back on us like we look back on cavemen.

I’m not going to waste my life and hold out hope that this other dimension exists where I’ll live forever with Gold streets. I don’t believe in Magic. People don’t have souls that just warp to other dimensions, snakes can’t talk, and people can’t live to be 900.

I’m sorry I’ve accepted reality but after I was able to get to this point I became much happier and valued each day a lot more.

[maggiethebestdog]

Just because you were born into Christianity or your family forced it upon you doesn’t mean it’s right.

Why do you Christians believe in Christianity but not Islam or Judaism?

You have no good reason other than your geography or how you were raised.

Muslims don’t believe in your religion and you don’t believe in theirs. Me, I don’t believe in any of them.

Atheists admit that we don’t have all the answers but we’re not taking the lazy way out. We’re actually trying to understand and figure shit out.

For example, people used to think that God caused rain, snow, wind, earthquakes, the sun to rise, etc. We now know that’s not true and understand why these things really happen.

Man used to think the earth was flat and the center of the universe. We now know that isn’t true.

Do any of you religious people even understand how large space is? What about the Milky Way galaxy? Earth is nothing but a speck of dust in the universe.

Do you really think a “God” would create this infinitely large universe just to put life on this one speck out in the middle of no where?

Of course not. As time goes one, we will continue to learned and understand more. The answers to our beginning probably lie in the cosmos.

By the time figure all of this out we will all be long gone and people will look back on us like we look back on cavemen.

I’m not going to waste my life and hold out hope that this other dimension exists where I’ll live forever with Gold streets. I don’t believe in Magic. People don’t have souls that just warp to other dimensions, snakes can’t talk, and people can’t live to be 900.

I’m sorry I’ve accepted reality but after I was able to get to this point I became much happier and valued each day a lot more.

I was raised by Italian cooks which is why the spaghetti monster is my savoir. Are you trying to say that someone raised by Mexican cooks worships the lesser known taco god??? Obviously those taco god worshipers will spend eternity in that crowded deli that never calls your number. My food god is the only truth. Everyone else is crazy.

[BigDofBA]

I was raised by Italian cooks which is why the spaghetti monster is my savoir. Are you trying to say that someone raised by Mexican cooks worships the lesser known taco god??? Obviously those taco god worshipers will spend eternity in that crowded deli that never calls your number. My food god is the only truth. Everyone else is crazy.

Yeah. It’s really hard for people to justify their religion.

“Why do you believe in Christianity?”
“Because of the Bible man! It’s God’s word!”

“Why do you believe in Islam?”
“Because of the Quran. Allahu akbar.”

“Why do you believe in Judaism?”
“The Torah is God’s word.”


Get my point? Your ancient book that speaks of talking snakes, 900 year old people, and people living in whales for weeks at a time isn’t necessarily right. Your Quran that talks about Mohammed flying to heaven on a winged horse isn’t necessarily true. Just bc you live in America, the Bible doesn’t hold more weight than any other religious book that has been written.

I haven’t touched on the fact that there are different sects in Christianity that disagree with each other (Baptist, Catholics, etc.)

Then you have different sects in Islam that want to kill each other.

It’s crazy how many different versions of God we have yet everyone is blind and stuck in their own beliefs to even step outside of the ridiculousness of it all.

[maggiethebestdog]

I think what you are trying to say is you realize the spaghetti monster is the only true God and you are ready to acknowledge him as your savoir. We just need to get your initial monetary offering out of the way. Check, debit, cash????

You need proof???? I have in my possession an old italian restaurant menu that clearly shows spaghetti as a meal option. This menu was found in the famous dead above ground pool scrolls. I have carbon dated it back to the 1970's. Clearly this is the true word of the spaghetti monster God. What else do you need???

[BigDofBA]

I live in one of the most religious states in the country. My town once had more churches per capita than any other city and my town has over 100,000 people in it.

I used to be nice and respectful of other beliefs but at some point I got tired of hearing all of these people tell me how horrible of a person I was for not believing in their God. I got tired of people telling me I was going to hell.

Christians always cry about how they're persecuted and how we need God in this country but it's total BS.

Religious people are constantly cramming their beliefs down our throats rather be on TV or on social media. If you want to belive in magic and shit, be my guest but don't continually shove it down my throat and tell me I'm going to hell then cry that you're the one being persecuted..

A lot of Christians are some of the most hypocritical, judgmental, horrible people you'll ever meet. NOT ALL but way more than there should be considering how holy they tell me they are.

I don't claim to be a Theologian but it always surprises me how much more I know about the Bible, Quran, and Torah than most of these people that try to tell me I'm going to hell. Most of these nuts don't even know what the other religions teach but they're quick to point out how their way is the only way to live.

Give me a damn break. I grew up in a religious household and went to Church. It never made sense as a little kid. Religious people always put the fear of this fictional place (Hell) into your head and beat it into you to not even question anything. Me? I did my research and read as much about all of the religions as I could... THAT'S PROBABLY WHY I'M AN ATHEIST!

No one on this planet knows what happens when you die. Don't lie to yourself. If you want to believe in magic, talking snakes, and alternate dimensions like Heaven and Hell that's fine. If you have doubts, like most rational people should, do your own research and don't be scared of going to hell. It might open up your eyes.

[maggiethebestdog]

I live in one of the most religious states in the country. My town once had more churches per capita than any other city and my town has over 100,000 people in it.

I used to be nice and respectful of other beliefs but at some point I got tired of hearing all of these people tell me how horrible of a person I was for not believing in their God. I got tired of people telling me I was going to hell.

Christians always cry about how they're persecuted and how we need God in this country but it's total BS.

Religious people are constantly cramming their beliefs down our throats rather be on TV or on social media. If you want to belive in magic and shit, be my guest but don't continually shove it down my throat and tell me I'm going to hell then cry that you're the one being persecuted..

A lot of Christians are some of the most hypocritical, judgmental, horrible people you'll ever meet. NOT ALL but way more than there should be considering how holy they tell me they are.

I don't claim to be a Theologian but it always surprises me how much more I know about the Bible, Quran, and Torah than most of these people that try to tell me I'm going to hell. Most of these nuts don't even know what the other religions teach but they're quick to point out how their way is the only way to live.

Give me a damn break. I grew up in a religious household and went to Church. It never made sense as a little kid. Religious people always put the fear of this fictional place (Hell) into your head and beat it into you to not even question anything. Me? I did my research and read as much about all of the religions as I could... THAT'S PROBABLY WHY I'M AN ATHEIST!

No one on this planet knows what happens when you die. Don't lie to yourself. If you want to believe in magic, talking snakes, and alternate dimensions like Heaven and Hell that's fine. If you have doubts, like most rational people should, do your own research and don't be scared of going to hell. It might open up your eyes.

Actually, I don't think you are spaghetti monster God worship group material.
That is unless your initial donation is big enough.

[BigDofBA]

Actually, I don't think you are spaghetti monster God worship group material.
That is unless your initial donation is big enough.

LOL. That's another thing Maggie.

You goto this place full of judgmental people, many of which have their own problems, and they brainwash you and try to control you with fear. Then they tell you to not even question anything or you'll goto hell. Then they ask for your money.

This place is called church!

I'll admit that a lot of people have good intentions and think they're doing what's right by adopting Christianity but to me they're misguided. You don't have to claim Christianity to be a good person.

If you really want to dig into the Bible, it's not a good book on morality anyway. With the scriptures about owning slaves, stoning women, killing children and gays, etc. it actually has some horrible shit in it. With that said, you won't see Joel Osteen teaching this scripture when he is trying to get your money so he can add an airstrip to his mansion.

[brainfreeze]

I I got tired of people telling me I was going to hell.

Christians always cry about how they're persecuted and how we need God in this country but it's total BS.


I don't claim to be a Theologian but it always surprises me how much more I know about the Bible, Quran, and Torah than most of these people that try to tell me I'm going to hell. Most of these nuts don't even know what the other religions teach but they're quick to point out how their way is the only way to live.

? I did my research
No one on this planet knows what happens when you die. Don't lie to yourself. If you want to believe in magic, talking snakes, and alternate dimensions like Heaven and Hell that's fine. If you have doubts, like most rational people should, do your own research and don't be scared of going to hell. It might open up your eyes.

You haven't did any open hearted research d. You haven't asked Him into your life. You obviously don't want Him there but like to voice that redundantly in this thread. Which is fine, whatever you can live with. I don't think you understand the Bible at all though. I think you try to build walls in your mind around what your mind can't grasp yet. It's like school man or being a baby. You start out on milk, later on in life you eat meat, and the older you get the more meaty the subject mater will be.

So, to me .. you haven't even started on a journey with God. You are just reading books and trying to scientifically explain the unexplainable. We are but merely men, we won't hunt God down with our brain (does help and some get guided that way through numbers and such). You hunt Him down with your heart. Your loyalty, holiness, goodness, gratitude, worship, prayer, and Spirit.

As for " talking snakes " it is said lucifer " can mascarade " as a ball of light. he can do a lot of things you just don't understand yet. Please don't act as if you have some understanding ... cuz you don't.

You shouldn't tell people what to fear and what not to fear either because you've provided NO evidence otherwise.