We are all simply pawns in this world

[onlooker]

pauly, it's not the full version. full version's hour and 20 minutes long.

edit: my bad, it's just q&a...

This it?

http://www.hulu.com/watch/442931

[PAULYPOKER]

This it?

http://www.hulu.com/watch/442931

[Ghenghis Kahn]

yup onlooker, watch it.

[SamDiamond]

Sam, that info was taken from article below. I didn't mean to offend Jewish people and if I did I apologize.

Early estimates of Israeli deaths, as of the total death toll and the death toll for other countries' citizens (e.g. India) proved substantially overestimated. George W. Bush cited the figure of 130 in his speech on September 20th. The number of Jewish victims was considerably higher, typically estimated at around 400;[136][137] according to the United States Department of State A total of 2,071 occupants of the World Trade Center died on September 11, among the 2,749 victims of the WTC attacks. According to an article in the October 11, 2001, Wall Street Journal, roughly 1,700 people had listed the religion of a person missing in the WTC attacks; approximately 10% were Jewish. A later article, in the September 5, 2002, Jewish Week, states, "based on the list of names, biographical information compiled by The New York Times, and information from records at the Medical Examiner's Office, there were at least 400 victims either confirmed or strongly believed to be Jewish." This would be approximately 15% of the total victims of the WTC attacks. A partial list of 390 Cantor Fitzgerald employees who died (out of 658 in the company) lists 49 Jewish memorial services, which is between 12% and 13%. This 10-15% estimate of Jewish fatalities tracks closely with the percentage of Jews living in the New York area. According to the 2002 American Jewish Year Book, 9% of the population of New York State, where 64% of the WTC victims lived, is Jewish. A 2002 study estimated that New York City's population was 12% Jewish. Forty-three percent of the WTC victims lived in New York City. Thus, the number of Jewish victims correlates very closely with the number of Jewish residents in New York. If 4,000 Jews had not reported for work on September 11, the number of Jewish victims would have been much lower than 10-15%.[138] The figure "4,000" was probably taken by Al-Manar from a Jerusalem Post article of September 12 (p. 3) which said "The Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem has so far received the names of 4,000 Israelis believed to have been in the areas of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon at the time of the attack." This number was obviously not (as Al-Manar claimed) restricted to employees; in fact, Tsviya Shimon, minister of administrative affairs for the Israeli consulate and mission in New York, said on September 14 "that there might have been up to 100 Israeli citizens working in the World Trade Center". [139] Furthermore, many Orthodox Jews left for work later than usual that day due to Selichot (additional prayers recited around the time of Rosh Hashanah).[140]

Pronk, did you read the paragraph you posted?

You've done something most people don't do. You posted something that proves yourself wrong.

The paragraph actually refutes your own claims. It explains that why the 4K number was wrong, and further explains that the number of jews who died in the 9/11 attackes corresponded to the % of Jewish population that you could expect to find in NYC.

[SamDiamond]

Larry Silverstein.............

Google my post#23 and do your own research............

Pauly. THAT IS A STRETCH.

Silverstein won the right to lease the property for 3.2 BILLION dollars. As with any real estate deal, Silverstein was required to put up 15 million dollars of his own money as collateral for the deal.

The towers were attacked and came down.

Silverstein filed an insurance claim as anyone would have done.

What you have completely failed to recognize is that EVEN THOUGH THE TOWERS were destroyed, Silverstein is paying 102 million per year in rent to the Port Authority.

Not a terribly smart investmet on his part now is it?

Its tough to make a villian out of Silverstein, considering he gave NYU Medical Center over 100 million dollars in the last 20 years.

[ebbearsfb1]

what happened to this guy being a graduate assistant at d1 college?

isnt it spring football season?

[SamDiamond]

what happened to this guy being a graduate assistant at d1 college?

isnt it spring football season?

Who the hell is that?

[SamDiamond]

Nevermind.

Im only here for November/December college basketball

Then I start being a graduate assistant which means I can have no connections to gamblers

This is the same guy who wanted me to fly to Vegas so he could tie me up with his lasso last night.

[frogsrangers]

what happened to this guy being a graduate assistant at d1 college?

isnt it spring football season?

I'm coaching high school right now. Wanted to pay off my student debt before going the grad assistant route for 2-3 years

[pronk]

Pronk, did you read the paragraph you posted?



You've done something most people don't do. You posted something that proves yourself wrong.

The paragraph actually refutes your own claims. It explains that why the 4K number was wrong, and further explains that the number of jews who died in the 9/11 attackes corresponded to the % of Jewish population that you could expect to find in NYC.

This is the top portion of that article:

This claim made by Al-Manar, the television station of Hezbollah, has been repeated by a wide variety of other sources, such as Amiri Baraka. The original Al-Manar claim, posted September 17, 2001 on the English language version of Al-Manar's website, was: "With the announcement of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the incident and started mourning 4,000 Israelis who work at the two towers. Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being killed or wounded in the attacks."[132] Al-Manar further claimed that "Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the Jordanian al-Watan' newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that day based on hints from the Israeli General Security apparatus, the Shabak".[133] It is unclear whether al-Watan (a minor Jordanian newspaper with no website) made these claims or who (if anyone) the alleged "Arab diplomatic sources" were. No independent confirmation has been produced for this claim. In some versions of the story circulated on the Internet, the title was changed to "4,000 Jewish Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack" from its original "4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack", spawning a further rumor that not only Israeli but all Jewish employees stayed away. On September 12 an American Web site called "Information Times" published an article with the headline "4,000 Jews Did Not Go To Work At WTC On Sept. 11," which it credited to "AL-MANAR Television Special Investigative Report." According to Slate.com, "The '4,000 Jews' page is easily forwarded as e-mail, and this may explain the message's rapid dissemination."[134] The rumour was also published; according to the United States Department of State "Syria's government-owned Al Thawra newspaper may have been the first newspaper to make the "4,000 Jews" claim... its September 15th edition falsely claimed 'four thousand Jews were absent from their work on the day of the explosions.' "[135] There were a total of 5 Israeli deaths in the attack (Alona Avraham, Leon Lebor, Shay Levinhar, Daniel Lewin, Haggai Sheffi), of which 3 were in the World Trade Center and 2 were on the planes. (4 are listed as American on most lists, presumably having dual citizenship.)

[gauchojake]

That is the goal of the new world order, they want to eliminate the middle class. They want everyone to either be really rich(the ruling elite) or really poor(on their hands and knees willing to submit and be slaves to the ruling elite).

Best way to fight the NWO is to become a high school teacher and coach football.

[SamDiamond]

This is the top portion of that article:

This claim made by Al-Manar, the television station of Hezbollah, has been repeated by a wide variety of other sources, such as Amiri Baraka. The original Al-Manar claim, posted September 17, 2001 on the English language version of Al-Manar's website, was: "With the announcement of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the incident and started mourning 4,000 Israelis who work at the two towers. Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being killed or wounded in the attacks."[132] Al-Manar further claimed that "Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the Jordanian al-Watan' newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that day based on hints from the Israeli General Security apparatus, the Shabak".[133] It is unclear whether al-Watan (a minor Jordanian newspaper with no website) made these claims or who (if anyone) the alleged "Arab diplomatic sources" were. No independent confirmation has been produced for this claim. In some versions of the story circulated on the Internet, the title was changed to "4,000 Jewish Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack" from its original "4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack", spawning a further rumor that not only Israeli but all Jewish employees stayed away. On September 12 an American Web site called "Information Times" published an article with the headline "4,000 Jews Did Not Go To Work At WTC On Sept. 11," which it credited to "AL-MANAR Television Special Investigative Report." According to Slate.com, "The '4,000 Jews' page is easily forwarded as e-mail, and this may explain the message's rapid dissemination."[134] The rumour was also published; according to the United States Department of State "Syria's government-owned Al Thawra newspaper may have been the first newspaper to make the "4,000 Jews" claim... its September 15th edition falsely claimed 'four thousand Jews were absent from their work on the day of the explosions.' "[135] There were a total of 5 Israeli deaths in the attack (Alona Avraham, Leon Lebor, Shay Levinhar, Daniel Lewin, Haggai Sheffi), of which 3 were in the World Trade Center and 2 were on the planes. (4 are listed as American on most lists, presumably having dual citizenship.)

Pronk, you've just made it worse.

Including the top portion of the article--ACTUALLY MADE YOUR CASE WORSE.

Did you really READ it? Its a bunch of rumor and innuendo, no facts, just a review of the how the rumors began. The bottom half of the article, disproves the top half.

How did you manage to read both of those-- and come to the conclusion you did? That seems impossible.

Its as if someone told you that water was wet, and you decided to post water caused fires. That is how absurd your claim posts have been.

[I/O]

I am a Christian, I spent 6 months of my life doing ministry and mission work so of course I believe the Bible and read it and think it is The Word of God, that doesn't mean I can't understand how power corrupts in this world and how the secret elite are the forces behind a lot of what goes on in this world.

I'd say you have no faith in your fellow man. Thus you have no faith in God.

[I/O]

"Make no friendship with a man given to anger, nor go with a wrathful man"

[SamDiamond]

"Make no friendship with a man given to anger, nor go with a wrathful man"

Look at I/O laying down Proverbs.

In a gambling forum.

Nice job.

[I/O]

Look at I/O laying down Proverbs.

In a gambling forum.

Nice job.

Just trying to espeakay in the OP's language

I knew it was going to be a stretch. Lol

[SamDiamond]

Just trying to espeakay in the OP's language

I knew it was going to be a stretch. Lol

[Ghenghis Kahn]

I'd say you have no faith in your fellow man. Thus you have no faith in God.

it's not the fellow man. i say the majority of the people are innately good and wish everyone prosperity.

it's those power hungry control freaks. they are different breeds.

the problem is those evil fukks make the rules while the good people follow those rules.

these evil fukks know when it comes down to it, nobody really cares and they can keep skewing the rules to their favor...

[PAULYPOKER]

Pauly. THAT IS A STRETCH.

Silverstein won the right to lease the property for 3.2 BILLION dollars. As with any real estate deal, Silverstein was required to put up 15 million dollars of his own money as collateral for the deal.

The towers were attacked and came down.

Silverstein filed an insurance claim as anyone would have done.

What you have completely failed to recognize is that EVEN THOUGH THE TOWERS were destroyed, Silverstein is paying 102 million per year in rent to the Port Authority.

Not a terribly smart investmet on his part now is it?

Its tough to make a villian out of Silverstein, considering he gave NYU Medical Center over 100 million dollars in the last 20 years.

I told you to do your own research for the fact your main purpose is to troll............

Therefore,I would be a fool to try an prove anything to you...........

Have fun trolling the forum.........

[lesterdymond]

New World Order is already among us.

[pronk]

[SamDiamond]

I told you to do your own research for the fact your main purpose is to troll............

Therefore,I would be a fool to try an prove anything to you...........

Have fun trolling the forum.........

Pauly, what part of what I posted is wrong.

Silverstein is paying 102.38 million dollars in annual rent for a structure that doesn't even exist.

And you're calling that profit.

[DwightShrute]

,,,

[gauchojake]

Chomsky is the worlds largest hypocrite.

[SamDiamond]

Chomsky?



Chomsky has taught at MIT for more than 50 years.

Cost of attendance of MIT?

Nine months' tuition and fees for 2012–2013 is $42,050. Additionally, undergraduate room and board is approximately $12,188, depending on the student's housing and dining arrangements. Books and personal expenses are about $2,772.

Total Cost for 4 years at MIT: $228,040.

So, Chomsky has worked at an institution for more than half/century even though they have contributed to the very problem he is preaching about?

That's priceless.

Any my favorite hypocrisy of Chomsky.

He worked for the Department of Defense for almost 20 years, earning millions of dollars from the US Military-- the very same US Military he rants about.

He's a douche.

[PAULYPOKER]

Chomsky?



Chomsky has taught at MIT for more than 50 years.

Cost of attendance of MIT?

Nine months' tuition and fees for 2012–2013 is $42,050. Additionally, undergraduate room and board is approximately $12,188, depending on the student's housing and dining arrangements. Books and personal expenses are about $2,772.

Total Cost for 4 years at MIT: $228,040.

So, Chomsky has worked at an institution for more than half/century even though they have contributed to the very problem he is preaching about?

That's priceless.

Any my favorite hypocrisy of Chomsky.

He worked for the Department of Defense for almost 20 years, earning millions of dollars from the US Military-- the very same US Military he rants about.

He's a douche.

Yes,he is rubbing this fact in the sheep's faces..........

priceless.............

[SamDiamond]

Yes,he is rubbing this fact in the sheep's faces..........

priceless.............

Chomsky preaches about "equal distribution of wealth and resources" and he has a 850,000 dollar home, and a 1.2 million dollar vacation home. Per Chomsky, everyone on SBR should have the same comforts as he has-- has he given you the keys to his home?

All money given to him by the US Military, the DOD, and the students of MIT that are being raped with tuition hikes.

The same tuition hikes he is crying about.

Yeah, Chomsky's not a hypocrite or anything...

[PAULYPOKER]

Chomsky preaches about "equal distribution of wealth and resources" and he has a 850,000 dollar home, and a 1.2 million dollar vacation home. Per Chomsky, everyone on SBR should have the same comforts as he has-- has he given you the keys to his home?

All money given to him by the US Military, the DOD, and the students of MIT that are being raped with tuition hikes.

The same tuition hikes he is crying about.

Yeah, Chomsky's not a hypocrite or anything...

Yes he is Hypocrite,but he is bold enough to tell the truth, knowing full well, the education $$$$$ machine can not be stopped............

College expansions and new, are being built all around the country as we speak......

It is the new industry of the corporate hoax, draining the youth dry,enslaving them for life,by new world design.............

The youth will learn to accept any slave job offer, given to them, with great gratitude...........

[Ghenghis Kahn]

lol at sam diamond. if you think chomsky is a bad man, how do you not get mad at all the politicians that lie to us everyday?

at least he has first hand knowledge of what is wrong with the system and tells us about it...

[Dutch]

Chomsky?



Chomsky has taught at MIT for more than 50 years.

Cost of attendance of MIT?

Nine months' tuition and fees for 2012–2013 is $42,050. Additionally, undergraduate room and board is approximately $12,188, depending on the student's housing and dining arrangements. Books and personal expenses are about $2,772.

Total Cost for 4 years at MIT: $228,040.

So, Chomsky has worked at an institution for more than half/century even though they have contributed to the very problem he is preaching about?

That's priceless.

Any my favorite hypocrisy of Chomsky.

He worked for the Department of Defense for almost 20 years, earning millions of dollars from the US Military-- the very same US Military he rants about.

He's a douche.

Another way to look at it is he's taking advantage of the way the system is set up. Exploiting it while trying to change it from the inside.

If he says nothing, he's scum and a part of the machine.
If he speaks out, he's a hypocrite.

[DwightShrute]

Another way to look at it is he's taking advantage of the way the system is set up. Exploiting it while trying to change it from the inside.

If he says nothing, he's scum and a part of the machine.
If he speaks out, he's a hypocrite.

They might not admit it but I think most people believe this.

[SamDiamond]

lol at sam diamond. if you think chomsky is a bad man, how do you not get mad at all the politicians that lie to us everyday?

at least he has first hand knowledge of what is wrong with the system and tells us about it...

So all you care about are his words, not his actions?

Chomsky can do anything so long as he pretends to be upset at the system?

Funny thing.

Warren Buffet gets criticized by the right because he says he should pay higher taxes.

Buffet is doing the exact same thing as Chomsky. He is using the system for his personal gain, while complaining about he should pay a higher tax rate.

That's funny.

[SamDiamond]

Another way to look at it is he's taking advantage of the way the system is set up. Exploiting it while trying to change it from the inside.

If he says nothing, he's scum and a part of the machine.
If he speaks out, he's a hypocrite.

How is he trying to change it? By making speeches?

Has he ever protested MIT's ridiculous rise in tuition costs? Nope.

Has he refused DOD money because of what they do? Nope.

Do tell, what exactly is he doing to try and change the culture, other than vomiting up some anti-us gov't agenda?

[gauchojake]

Another way to look at it is he's taking advantage of the way the system is set up. Exploiting it while trying to change it from the inside.

If he says nothing, he's scum and a part of the machine.
If he speaks out, he's a hypocrite.

I'm a Pro Life abortion doctor. I tell people every day in my clinic not to kill their unborn babies. See I'm retying to change things from the inside (if you know what I mean). I'd quit but then how would I live this lavish lifestyle I've become accustomed to?

[Ghenghis Kahn]

So all you care about are his words, not his actions?

Chomsky can do anything so long as he pretends to be upset at the system?

Funny thing.

Warren Buffet gets criticized by the right because he says he should pay higher taxes.

Buffet is doing the exact same thing as Chomsky. He is using the system for his personal gain, while complaining about he should pay a higher tax rate.

That's funny.

these men don't need to say a word since they are the elites of this nation and the world perhaps. but they clearly see the faults of the system and from first hand experience, they are just pointing out what should be done to rectify the situation. what makes you think warren buffet doesn't want to pay higher taxes? but why must he be the only one when everyone in his class virtually pays nothing? in his eyes, him paying higher taxes won't solve the problems.

in their eyes, they know what's right and wrong but they are intelligent enough to know how to play the game.

let me ask you this, what do you disagree with what they have to say? are they telling the truth? do you expect these brilliant men to just struggle in poverty just because their beliefs are ignored?