The Pokerstars 18 man Mass Multi-tabling System by Stevek173

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  • stevek173
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 03-29-08
    • 27598

    #1
    The Pokerstars 18 man Mass Multi-tabling System by Stevek173
    I thought this would be good both for valued users and for us who are currently doing this as a resource. In here we will discuss:

    -The proper set up for mass multitabling SNGs

    -Theory on range in specific rounds

    -Theory on specific hands in specific rounds

    -Final 5/4/3/Heads up theory

    -Much more.

    This guide more of a rough draft and will evolve as we get better. So far Gamer and I have seen good results doing this; we aim to improve and to help all users who are interested along the way.

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    Why mass Multi-tabling and why 18 mans?

    OK 1st off, let's discuss what we are doing here and some basic concepts. This is not some random game we picked to play and to put in this kind of quantity at. The whole concept is based upon you honestly feeling you have a winning formula for the given format. I mean, this way, the more you play, the more you win, right? Let's not forget the opposite applies. If you are not beating the game you are playing, the more you play, the more (and the quicker) you will lose, obviously.

    That being said, why did we pick 18 mans? Well, we both played a ton of 180 and 90 mans, and where as we both were competitive in each of those formats, we got sick of the variance (losing, or time between big wins, if you will).
    We figured 18 mans were the best of both worlds - big enough wins to add up and supplement the roll nicely when on a hot streak, and not too much time between wins.

    Why so many tables? To beat variance, that simple. If you are playing a winning strategy then playing the more you can, as long as it doesn't affect your performance, will make you more money in the long run.

    Some tips off the top of my mind right off the bat:

    1) If specific hands/bad beats bother you a lot simply pick something else to do with your time. You will lose massive amounts of hands, often when you have it in with the best hand in long streaks - sometimes seeming like it's impossible to win. This is part of the game of poker, and where as it is amazing how it happens sometimes, it is part of the game. Don't get too attached to any one game/hand at a time - be focused on making the right plays in the right spots, or do something else with your time.

    2) Be comfortable when starting a session. Have to use the bathroom? Do it before you start. Hungry? Eat first. Annoyed/pissed off? Do something else. Running bad and sure you will lose? Do something else. Etc. etc. - you get the point. Sounds like a cliche but be honest with yourself - balance in life in respect to Poker is absolutely essential and if you aren't looking forward to playing and expecting to win right now you aren't ready to play.

    3) Be free of distractions. People over? I don't recommend doing this. Movie you like? Same. Etc. etc., where as the focus on our opponents is extremely limited because we are playing so many tables at once, focus on each decision we are making is crucial as each one can literally make or break us in any of these tournaments.

    4) To start, choose an amount of tournaments you know you are comfortable with and build from there. Sit outs and misclicks are death to your session! Not to mention if you start sitting out in one tournament, table after table will pop up with you sitting out, and you have to manually find each table you are sitting out in to sit back in! I have spoken to Pokerstars about a "sit in all tables" option - don't expect it any time soon . So, choose an amount you know you can handle right off the bat and if you want to play more at once in the future do so.

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    Setting up the Pokerstars Software for Mass Multi-tabling

    OK now that we have some general knowledge and tips down, let's focus on actually getting ready to play these games. There are some things you need to do with the Pokerstars software if you are going to efficiently play 15 or more tables at once. They are:

    1) Go into Options--->Preferred Seat. Selected 9 handed, and select the seat of your choice. The Software will now seat you at this seat in each of the tables that opens up for you. I prefer the bottom seat. The point is to not have to see where you are seated on each table to see your position and cards. This eliminates delay which is essential - so do this.

    2) The lobbies for each table popping up are a nuisance, let's get rid of them. In the Stars software, go into Options--->Advanced Multi-table options and uncheck "Auto-open Sit & Go Tournament Lobby".

    3) Get your filter right for what you will be playing. The Stars filter is a wonderful option recently added for focused, quantity players like us. That being said, lets say we want to play 1.75 18 man Turbos, and only those.
    At the top of the filter options type "1.75 NL Hold'em [turbo - 18 players]" (you can copy and paste that). This will make it so you just see those. Make sure in the bottom right the options "Show Running" and "Show Completed" are unchecked. Now you will only see the registering tournaments of your choice, which is what we want.

    4) Take a look, in the software at View--->Manage Layouts. You are not using this now, but you will soon, to have your preferred table layout saved for future reference. This is extremely important. You must do this now because the next time you do this to save your layout it will be in a session, and trust me you want to minimize distractions within your session. So, get familiar with it now so you can quickly do it when you play.

    5) To expedite things and further avoid sit-outs, it is best to go into Options, and check "Muck Losing Hand" and "Don't Show Winning Hand".

    6) OK, now you ready to start, but your setting up for future sessions is not done. Remember, unless circumstances are beyond your control (disconnect, power outage, etc.) don't ever ever be sitting out!

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    Setting up and saving your layout

    It is now time to register for the 1st tournament of your session. Keep signing up for them, and as they pop up, make them the size of approximately 40% of your monitor and place them in the upper right of your screen and stack them on top of each other. In the future you won't have to do this as your layout will be saved. Take the window for the Pokerstars software and place it to the left of your tables. You don't need to see the whole thing, just enough so you can click to sign up for the next tournament.

    Now it is time to save your layout you have just created for future sessions. When you are seated at the amount of tables you wish to play in your session, go into View------->Manage Layouts in the Pokerstars software. Save your layout as the name of your choice. Now, under View you will see "Custom Layout (the name you chose)". When it is checked your layout is active. When you play an amount of tables up to how many you save in this layout you will be good to go, if you want to play more tables, you will have to place the excess tables as we did above and resave a new layout.

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    OK so you are on cruise control now. Your layout is saved, the tables are popping up as they should without distractions and you can just focus on playing. Let's get into some theory as the levels of the tourneys progress.

    1) Levels I (10/20), II (15/30) and III (25/50) - I believe in an extremely tight slow playing "setmining" strategy for these levels. For those of you not familiar with this strategy I will sum it up for you.

    Basically, you are only playing pocket pairs and AK (not AQ and lower). suited cards mean nothing, hands with big implied odds (10j suited) mean nothing. Sure there will be some exceptions if you are on the big blind and the hand is unraised, etc.

    You are looking to first and foremost not get eliminated unless it is an extremely bad beat (i.e. AA or KK no good all in preflop) or a very rare fluke hand (i.e. you get it all in with KK preflop and your opponent flips AA). You limp pocket pairs but you do NOT call/reraise huge raises (unless you have KK or AA of course)...the price needs to be low enough so you still have a decent stack if you miss. You are looking to hit sets and extract the maximum amount of chips from your opponents. One thing to keep in mind is sometimes your sets will be no good! If you are facing for example a 4 suited board and you don't have that suit or a 1 card to the straight board and you have no piece of it don't tilt and do something stupid. I know that set is pretty and yes you have very low odds of hitting your boat/quads on the river but you need to be willing to let it go.

    The other way in this strategy that you often accumulate large amounts of chips is by having monster hands preflop (i.e. AA, KK) and inducing action from your opponents. I play differently in different positions - in early position I'll often limp/reraise AA or KK, in mid position I'll double or triple the blind if it is unraised and there are limpers and in late position with no raisers I'll triple the blind or more. What you are doing is trying to make a decent pot without allowing so many players in the hand that the odds of your hand remaining in front post flop are against you.

    I want to take a second to talk about JJ, QQ and AK as they are employed in this strategy. I'll pretty much play JJ as I would 10 10 and 99 at these levels, looking for a set or a lower board than my pair since the odds of a queen and higher on the flop are extremely high. QQ I am in between on, as if you are all in with it preflop you are flipping a coin with AK and obviously losing to AA and KK, and KA I am in between as well as you are flipping a coin with any pocket pair and losing to KK and AK. I used to subscribe to the strategy that at this very low skill level with AK you will run into a lot of people with AQ or worse, therefore I'd try to get it all in as much as possible. I estimate this is true about 50% of the time, which is pretty inefficient in my opinion. I'm open to input on this.

    I've pretty much drifted to looking to see a flop with AK and QQ in levels I and II, but trying to get them all in at level 3 and further.

    Theory on higher levels coming soon
  • davewaz
    SBR Rookie
    • 03-25-09
    • 10

    #2
    I had good luck with this system as well. I play about 4 sng's at a time all 18 or 27 people
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    • greywind50
      SBR Sharp
      • 06-11-09
      • 370

      #3
      great post...thanks
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      • lolbear
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 09-10-09
        • 756

        #4
        What stakes are we talking about? And limping Aces/kings don't work nearly as well in early levels. It shows a lot of strength and I supposed it could trap low stakes rollers, but if that's the case I'd recommend doing it with AK and maybe AA but leave KK out of this. I don't like limping KK UTG because it's not as safe as limping with AA and against low stakes players who limp a lot, limping with AA UTG in early stages just doesn't seem to be worth it to give free cards.
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        • cmerunoveru
          SBR Hustler
          • 06-09-09
          • 74

          #5
          Letusknow how u aredoing
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          • aggieshawn
            SBR MVP
            • 01-24-07
            • 4377

            #6
            great post
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            • PinTheDonkey
              SBR Hustler
              • 10-22-09
              • 60

              #7
              I limp with AA utg regardless of the stakes or stages because you just hope someone raises and come over the top and if they don't, play them very safe after the flop(depending on the amount of players) if you don't hit your set.
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              • Hotdiggity11
                SBR MVP
                • 01-09-09
                • 4916

                #8
                I usually 10-12 table. Easy to do with some practice. I'll move up to 15-18 tabling soon.
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                • Czu81
                  SBR MVP
                  • 10-25-09
                  • 1082

                  #9
                  great post.ty
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                  • stevek173
                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                    • 03-29-08
                    • 27598

                    #10
                    Great to see some responses to this. First off, some of you asked about results. Sharkscope is listed below. I am 60, I have been playing primarily 1.75s with the occasional jump higher as you can see below. I am not a great player, am still learning. One of the reasons I made this post is to share thoughts about theory etc. with you guys as i know mine needs further developing.
                    Gamer77777 introduced me to this strategy, and is a much more complete player than me as you can see below. We were grinding the 1.75 18 mans but since he has graduated to higher levels and you can see his success below.
                    In addition, we have both won Battle of the Planets rewards which is a great program Stars runs for mass multi tabling grinders. If you aren't familiar with it and you play a lot of SNGs you should get familar with it.



                    I based the writing of this article on the 1.75 18 mans (turbo) and I would agree that the strategy changes some as you graduate levels. not only are people better, more polished players, but you get many more regulars who remember your tactics and/or use software to track all of their opponents' strategies.
                    The stacking layout and how I said to set it up is money at any level, and you can take that to the bank. They key is minimizing mouse movement and distractions so you never ever miss a play. I can handle 25 tables cleanly if I am on point, and I want to be able to handle more. 20 seems to be the ideal number for me normally.
                    I haven't been playing that much the last few months as I've taken 2 jobs and a full course load of classes, but the enthusiasm from some of you makes me more motivated to get back into it .
                    I really think when employed properly, if you have say 50-100 buy ins of a level to start out you can steadily make money doing this, if your theory is decent. Again, in addition to your basic winnings, you get BOP rewards, and with the FPPs you collect you can play satties such as $200k qualifiers, use them for more tourney buy ins, etc. as you graduate levels these rewards get more lucrative.
                    I'll be hitting it harder and will keep you guys posted, I really appreciate the feedback.
                    -Steve
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                    • Czu81
                      SBR MVP
                      • 10-25-09
                      • 1082

                      #11
                      Thanks for sharing your thoughts, experience and results. Do u use any software? tableninja or starshotkey etc, and when would you continue your article?
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                      • stevek173
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 03-29-08
                        • 27598

                        #12
                        I recently downloaded Table Ninja for the free trial. Very pleased with some of the options, will write about this too briefly.

                        What I am going to do as long as there is interest is update this every Sunday, since this is after Battle of the Planets standings are decided, this way I can give you an accurate bottom line of how I am making out with this, and we can discuss proper theory for playing games this way together
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                        • Roller
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 10-22-09
                          • 43

                          #13
                          Great Post

                          Thanks for the info and advice ..........
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                          • korbal29
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 10-25-09
                            • 751

                            #14
                            18 PLAYERS SITNGOS payouts little better but i doubt it is more profitable that 9 players
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                            • Czu81
                              SBR MVP
                              • 10-25-09
                              • 1082

                              #15
                              I think more profitable because less regulars playing.
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                              • El Sol
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 05-17-08
                                • 876

                                #16
                                Originally posted by PinTheDonkey
                                I limp with AA utg regardless of the stakes or stages because you just hope someone raises and come over the top and if they don't, play them very safe after the flop(depending on the amount of players) if you don't hit your set.
                                this is absolutely the worst way to play aces. Limping early at low levels invites all sorts of callers. Often the whole table, as soon as you have 3 - 4 players looking at the flop you have completely lost all advantages pockets aces gives you. So why would you do it? Makes no sense, but you see it all the time at the lower buy-ins
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                                • iceminers26
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 10-13-08
                                  • 15600

                                  #17
                                  Good Stuff
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                                  • iceminers26
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 10-13-08
                                    • 15600

                                    #18
                                    The only system I use is if I get dealt AQ, I muck it as fast as I kind before I reconsider.
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                                    • rink1
                                      SBR Rookie
                                      • 10-22-09
                                      • 13

                                      #19
                                      great post
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                                      • Jshap1515
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 02-16-09
                                        • 1023

                                        #20
                                        Yeah, I'd like to see an update on this.
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                                        • Pajda
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 03-25-09
                                          • 1385

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by iceminers26
                                          The only system I use is if I get dealt AQ, I muck it as fast as I kind before I reconsider.
                                          Darvin Moon totally revamped your system
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                                          • Czu81
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 10-25-09
                                            • 1082

                                            #22
                                            hope this article will continue!
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                                            • stevek173
                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                              • 03-29-08
                                              • 27598

                                              #23
                                              Man been off it guys I wrote that post when I barely had a job (failing self employed) and now have 2 other jobs and the self employed thing has started jumpin so I'm crazy busy.
                                              As soon as I have time for Poker again I'll update this.
                                              GL at the tables all.
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                                              • Art Vandeleigh
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 12-31-06
                                                • 1494

                                                #24
                                                Results look good thanks for the advice.
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                                                • luigi
                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                  • 08-29-09
                                                  • 32

                                                  #25
                                                  thanks for posting this, please keep us updated.. i would love to read ur further articles on this
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                                                  • TheLock
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 04-06-08
                                                    • 14427

                                                    #26
                                                    Nice to see a poker post that's not about a "bad beat" (KK cracked by TT lolz) story.


                                                    Have you read Harrington's Tournament books Stevek?
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                                                    • stevek173
                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                      • 03-29-08
                                                      • 27598

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by TheLock
                                                      Nice to see a poker post that's not about a "bad beat" (KK cracked by TT lolz) story.


                                                      Have you read Harrington's Tournament books Stevek?
                                                      Yeah great stuff, did the quiz in the 3rd one years ago if I remember correctly my status according to him was "can make some money but still a lot to learn "

                                                      Haven't had time to grind these anymore fellas workin workin workin, maybe some soon with the semester ending will keep posted on any results.
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