Who Really Invented the Internet? (Obama is an idiot)

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  • no gnu taxes
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 08-18-11
    • 805

    #1
    Who Really Invented the Internet? (Obama is an idiot)



    A telling moment in the presidential race came recently when Barack Obama said: "If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." He justified elevating bureaucrats over entrepreneurs by referring to bridges and roads, adding: "The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all companies could make money off the Internet."

    It's an urban legend that the government launched the Internet. The myth is that the Pentagon created the Internet to keep its communications lines up even in a nuclear strike. The truth is a more interesting story about how innovation happens—and about how hard it is to build successful technology companies even once the government gets out of the way.

    For many technologists, the idea of the Internet traces to Vannevar Bush, the presidential science adviser during World War II who oversaw the development of radar and the Manhattan Project. In a 1946 article in The Atlantic titled "As We May Think," Bush defined an ambitious peacetime goal for technologists: Build what he called a "memex" through which "wholly new forms of encyclopedias will appear, ready made with a mesh of associative trails running through them, ready to be dropped into the memex and there amplified."

    That fired imaginations, and by the 1960s technologists were trying to connect separate physical communications networks into one global network—a "world-wide web." The federal government was involved, modestly, via the Pentagon's Advanced Research Projects Agency Network. Its goal was not maintaining communications during a nuclear attack, and it didn't build the Internet. Robert Taylor, who ran the ARPA program in the 1960s, sent an email to fellow technologists in 2004 setting the record straight: "The creation of the Arpanet was not motivated by considerations of war. The Arpanet was not an Internet. An Internet is a connection between two or more computer networks."

    If the government didn't invent the Internet, who did? Vinton Cerf developed the TCP/IP protocol, the Internet's backbone, and Tim Berners-Lee gets credit for hyperlinks.

    <cite>Xerox PARC</cite> Xerox PARC headquarters.




    But full credit goes to the company where Mr. Taylor worked after leaving ARPA: Xerox. It was at the Xerox PARC labs in Silicon Valley in the 1970s that the Ethernet was developed to link different computer networks. Researchers there also developed the first personal computer (the Xerox Alto) and the graphical user interface that still drives computer usage today.

    According to a book about Xerox PARC, "Dealers of Lightning" (by Michael Hiltzik), its top researchers realized they couldn't wait for the government to connect different networks, so would have to do it themselves. "We have a more immediate problem than they do," Robert Metcalfe told his colleague John Shoch in 1973. "We have more networks than they do." Mr. Shoch later recalled that ARPA staffers "were working under government funding and university contracts. They had contract administrators . . . and all that slow, lugubrious behavior to contend with."

    So having created the Internet, why didn't Xerox become the biggest company in the world? The answer explains the disconnect between a government-led view of business and how innovation actually happens.

    Executives at Xerox headquarters in Rochester, N.Y., were focused on selling copiers. From their standpoint, the Ethernet was important only so that people in an office could link computers to share a copier. Then, in 1979, Steve Jobs negotiated an agreement whereby Xerox's venture-capital division invested $1 million in Apple, with the requirement that Jobs get a full briefing on all the Xerox PARC innovations. "They just had no idea what they had," Jobs later said, after launching hugely profitable Apple computers using concepts developed by Xerox.

    Xerox's copier business was lucrative for decades, but the company eventually had years of losses during the digital revolution. Xerox managers can console themselves that it's rare for a company to make the transition from one technology era to another.

    As for the government's role, the Internet was fully privatized in 1995, when a remaining piece of the network run by the National Science Foundation was closed—just as the commercial Web began to boom. Blogger Brian Carnell wrote in 1999: "The Internet, in fact, reaffirms the basic free market critique of large government. Here for 30 years the government had an immensely useful protocol for transferring information, TCP/IP, but it languished. . . . In less than a decade, private concerns have taken that protocol and created one of the most important technological revolutions of the millennia."

    It's important to understand the history of the Internet because it's too often wrongly cited to justify big government. It's also important to recognize that building great technology businesses requires both innovation and the skills to bring innovations to market. As the contrast between Xerox and Apple shows, few business leaders succeed in this challenge. Those who do—not the government—deserve the credit for making it happen.
  • wantitall4moi
    SBR MVP
    • 04-17-10
    • 3063

    #2
    xerox created the internet.
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    • d2bets
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 08-10-05
      • 39995

      #3
      Not surprisingly, that quote has been taken out of context.

      The full quote: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

      THAT was obviously in reference to the "roads and bridges" in the immediately preceding sentence. Notice the word BUILD. Businesses are created and maintained. Roads and bridges are built. A little reading comprehension can go a long way.
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      • no gnu taxes
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 08-18-11
        • 805

        #4
        Originally posted by d2bets
        Not surprisingly, that quote has been taken out of context.

        The full quote: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

        THAT was obviously in reference to the "roads and bridges" in the immediately preceding sentence. Notice the word BUILD. Businesses are created and maintained. Roads and bridges are built. A little reading comprehension can go a long way.
        So what was was the point then of even making such a dumbass statement? Of course there are government built roads and and bridges, and if they weren't present, entrepeneurs would simply take that into account, and adjust for it. Why do you morons always claim time after time that every moronic anti-capitalistic remark your cretin-in chief makes is taken out of context when his context his perfectly clear?
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        • Ghenghis Kahn
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 01-02-12
          • 19734

          #5
          al gore

          /thread
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          • SBR Lou
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 08-02-07
            • 37863

            #6
            Personally I think those who defend Obama by pointing to the full quote sound a bit wacky. Even his full quote is good fodder for conservatives, but I bet liberal small business owners are saying WTF too.
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            • muldoon
              SBR MVP
              • 01-04-10
              • 4397

              #7
              Originally posted by SBR Lou
              Personally I think those who defend Obama by pointing to the full quote sound a bit wacky. Even his full quote is good fodder for conservatives, but I bet liberal small business owners are saying WTF too.

              "You Olympians, however, know you didn't get here solely on your own power,” said Romney, who on Friday will attend the Opening Ceremonies of this year’s Summer Olympics. “For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities. All right! [pumps fist].” - MITT ROMNEY
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              • ProfaneReality
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 04-14-09
                • 7607

                #8
                Gnu,

                any chance you off yourself if Obama gets re-elected ? And if so, could you do it on U-Stream ?
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                • no gnu taxes
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 08-18-11
                  • 805

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ProfaneReality
                  Gnu,

                  any chance you off yourself if Obama gets re-elected ? And if so, could you do it on U-Stream ?

                  Absolutely not. Why fight a trend? I'm applying for Medicaid and food stamps.
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                  • ChalkyDog
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 10-02-11
                    • 9598

                    #10
                    Failing again on taking absolute stances. The correct answer here is that the government along side private innovation made the internet what it is today.

                    The internet isn't here today, acting the way it is, if it wasn't for the government infrastructure. The internet isn't here today, acting the way it is, if it wasn't for innovation and entrepreneurialism of the private sector.

                    Stop fukkin making such black and white statements - it is ignorant and is a bad look.
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                    • GUMMO77
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 08-23-10
                      • 9294

                      #11
                      Originally posted by SBR Lou
                      Even his full quote is good .
                      Lou talking about Obama
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                      • brooks85
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 01-05-09
                        • 44709

                        #12
                        Originally posted by d2bets
                        Not surprisingly, that quote has been taken out of context.

                        The full quote: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

                        THAT was obviously in reference to the "roads and bridges" in the immediately preceding sentence. Notice the word BUILD. Businesses are created and maintained. Roads and bridges are built. A little reading comprehension can go a long way.


                        shows you how dumb obama is... ya somebody invested in the roads and bridges... hmmm now who might that "somebody" be?
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                        • muldoon
                          SBR MVP
                          • 01-04-10
                          • 4397

                          #13
                          Originally posted by brooks85
                          shows you how dumb obama is... ya somebody invested in the roads and bridges... hmmm now who might that "somebody" be?
                          Bain?
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                          • QuantumLeap
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 08-22-08
                            • 6880

                            #14
                            While the government may have had a large hand in the early development of the Internet, it was only after private corporations got involved starting in the 90's that the Internet grew by leaps and bounds and only then was it a vehicle for large profit.

                            But this is the way things have always been in this country. Only when business gets involved do things really thrive.
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                            • KingJD31
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 11-04-11
                              • 8167

                              #15
                              does not matter the message is the same regardless, they should pay more tax because the govt helped them, meanwhile business owners are the paying the majority already to have the roads built
                              Originally posted by d2bets
                              Not surprisingly, that quote has been taken out of context.

                              The full quote: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

                              THAT was obviously in reference to the "roads and bridges" in the immediately preceding sentence. Notice the word BUILD. Businesses are created and maintained. Roads and bridges are built. A little reading comprehension can go a long way.
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                              • Shaudius
                                SBR MVP
                                • 09-21-10
                                • 1112

                                #16
                                This article is fundamentally flawed in its later parts in that it believes that Ethernet is a fundamental necessity to the internet, such that Xerox can be properly given credit(as the article claims it can) for inventing the Internet. It is decidedly not and Xerox decidedly did not invent the internet. What made the internet was the interoperativity of pre-existing smaller networks, a standardization of protocols, how those computer networks talk to each other in a standard way is much more important than the way in which they connect(the article seems to realize this earlier, so its troubling why it contradicts itself when it gives Xerox credit for inventing the internet later), which could have been in any number of ways, the most common of which now is Ethernet.

                                The article correctly points this out when it says that Cerf can properly be given credit for inventing TCP/IP, you can read the original working group paper here http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc675. The working group paper was set forth by the
                                International Network Working Group (INWG), which in case you're wondering was not a private company. Cert was at Stanford at the time. But what it leaves out is who Cerf was working at the behest of, and with, Robert Kahn. Kahn at the time was working for ARPA.

                                I mean think about it this way, which do you think is more fundamental to the internet in general, the fact that each computer on the network has a unique IP address(TCP/IP protocol) or the fact that you connect to the internet through broadband instead of through your telephone line. Clearly the latter is necessary for the modern internet because of the speed at which data is transmitted, but you couldn't have the internet at all no matter how fast your connection speed would be without a standard protocol.

                                The last bit of ridiculousness, "
                                Here for 30 years the government had an immensely useful protocol for transferring information, TCP/IP, but it languished. . . . In less than a decade, private concerns have taken that protocol and created one of the most important technological revolutions of the millennia.""

                                Exactly! And more internal inconsistency in the article. The article admits right there, and contradicts its fundamental premise, the protocol that existed was the government's(I would contend it was as much universities and non-profits as it was the government, but that's neither here nor there) therefore these private companies didn't INVENT the internet as the article contends earlier with its Xerox story, instead the private companies RAN with a pre-existing internet.
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                                • muldoon
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 01-04-10
                                  • 4397

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by QuantumLeap
                                  While the government may have had a large hand in the early development of the Internet, it was only after private corporations got involved starting in the 90's that the Internet grew by leaps and bounds and only then was it a vehicle for large profit.

                                  But this is the way things have always been in this country. Only when business gets involved do things really thrive.
                                  So who actually "invented" it then? The people who designed the foundation and first implemented it? Or the people who made porn faster?
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                                  • King Mayan
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 09-22-10
                                    • 21326

                                    #18
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                                    • Indecent
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 09-08-09
                                      • 758

                                      #19
                                      My favorite part about everyone talking about this is the guy who was used as the primary source by Crovitz (the author of the article in WSJ) has stated unequivocally that he is wrong.

                                      "While I’m gratified in a sense that he cites my book, it’s my duty to point out that he’s wrong. My book bolsters, not contradicts, the argument that the Internet had its roots in the ARPANet, a government project.” Michael Hiltzik, the author “Dealers of Lightning"

                                      Not to mention, Al Gore actually does deserve credit for being aware of how important the project is/was. He is primarily responsible for an NSF grant from the government that split the universities off from the military nets. Even when he was VP he continued to craft legislation that involved private companies in improving and establishing the internet we have today.

                                      Not only that, but he never actually said "invented" anywhere in the famous quote that is thrown around..

                                      "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system." Al Gore

                                      But carry on, don't let facts get in the way of spouting off nonsense.
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                                      • Balco10
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 09-11-10
                                        • 5478

                                        #20
                                        The libs believe their own lies, dont want to know the facts, and think bigger government is the best policy. Lis dont want to believe Obama is a socialists. Now thing about this: Franklin Marshall Davis his mentor, Bill Ayers his best friend at one point, Rev. Wright, his dad, and the little red house where he learned communism at a young age. He might as will be Chinese for be this far left! You libs really think Obama cares about you? No he wants totally control and to be a dicator!
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                                        • rkelly110
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 10-05-09
                                          • 39691

                                          #21
                                          Oops, initiative is close to invent, especially to an uneducated person trying to read fast skimming over words
                                          they don't understand. Like the guy above.
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