Should MLB Players agree to Blood testing?

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  • onlooker
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    • 08-10-05
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    #1
    Should MLB Players agree to Blood testing?
    Do you guys think that Major League Baseball should start blood testing players? That is the only method of catching HGH. Or just let them do it and cheat their way through the league?

    I personally think they should blood test, and start it next season. If they dont blood test, it would pressure the clean players to use it to keep up so they dont lose their position on the team.

    Clear choice for players on HGH

    The choice is stark but clear for the members of the Major League Baseball Players Association: Either they can agree to blood testing, or their sport will be dirty.

    They can either agree to blood testing, to give baseball some shot at detecting human growth hormone, or the would-be cheaters will start streaming through the loophole like it's Interstate 70 on a clear Sunday morning.

    They can either agree to blood testing, or they will be right back where they were in 1999 and 2000, with many of them faced with a decision they'd rather not face: Take a performance-enhancing drug to keep up with the cheaters, or risk losing their jobs.

    They can either agree to blood testing, or they run the risk of having their own accomplishments -- for the entire generation -- tainted, under question, just as we wonder about the records of the players set from 1988 through 2004.

    It's really up to them.

    The high ground is there for commissioner Bud Selig to take. He could win the public relations war on this issue and put pressure on the union leadership by screaming for blood testing and the indefinite storage of samples. However, there are on-going collective bargaining talks, and raising this issue now might be like throwing a grenade into the CBA conversations.

    Personally, I don't think so. I think the commissioner should be shouting about this, because when push comes to shove, I don't think the players -- most of whom, I absolutely believe, want a clean sport and a level competitive playing field -- will support the longstanding stance against blood testing by Don Fehr and Gene Orza. Most observers feel that the reason the union buckled twice on the testing issue is the pressure placed on it from Congress, but I don't think that's the case.

    The reason the leadership buckled is that they know the players want a clean sport. And so the players, again, are back to the same place: They can either adopt blood testing, or they can embrace a system that everybody knows how to beat. Which they will not do. Henry Waxman reportedly told baseball months ago it would be smart to save its testing samples. The same thing was written here in February. Folks in Congress are rattling their sabers again over this issue, writes Howard Bryant.

    Some of Jason Grimsley's old teammates can't see him being a snitch, as David Boyce writes. He's not that kind of guy, Todd Jones says.

    A key figure in the Barry Bonds BALCO deal is told not to participate in the Mitchell Investigation, as Jack Curry and Murray Chass report. I've heard from a lot of different folks that the Mitchell Investigation is not generating a whole lot from their respective employees; we'll see. If the investigators really want info, they should be talking to clubhouse kids -- batboys.

    Could this be a sign Bonds won't be long for the Giants? One of the members of his posse was booted by the team.

    Tim Brown has news that Major League Baseball might suspend Grimsley even though he apparently just retired, which could be an analogy for the sport's handling of the issue.
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  • onlooker
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    • 08-10-05
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    #2
    Poll

    I forgot to add the poll. So here it is.
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    • Willie Bee
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 02-14-06
      • 15726

      #3
      If the investigators really want info, they should be talking to clubhouse kids -- batboys.
      I really do not like this idea. Just doesn't seem fair to put investigative pressure on kids to get the low-down.

      I have mixed feelings about testing programs. On one hand, if my employer is providing me with the benefit of paying for a bulk of my health insurance, then I think they have some right to expect me to remain healthy and not be putting a lot of crap into my body. On the other hand, well, it might sound cop-outish, but there is some right to privacy and too many companies use the programs for simple witch hunts.

      If congress and the media want the players tested, then congress and the media should subject themselves to the same testing and public scrutiny of the test results.

      And the real onus, in my opinion, should be on the players association itself. They shouldn't be dependent upon the commissioner, the owners or the fans to force them to play by the rules. In the words of the late Bart Giamatti, "Some people may call me an idealist. I certainly hope so."
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      • Mudcat
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        • 07-21-05
        • 9287

        #4
        I have made a somewhat tentative YES vote. I think they need to clean up the sport but this is getting pretty invasive. A simple fact to be considered: quite a few people are very queasy about needles and blood, and it's not a minor thing to put them through compared to peeing in a cup. People can faint or become sick.

        Of course there are bigger philosophical questions.

        Anyway, I vote YES.

        It would be great to see the union being less resistant to every bit of progress on cleaning up the game. They always seem to be pulling the other way. As the article says, the membership is having to Take a performance-enhancing drug to keep up with the cheaters, or risk losing their jobs.

        Why do they always seem to be fighting to maintain that situation?
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        • bigboydan
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 08-10-05
          • 55420

          #5
          they should. but, i doubt the union will let them be tested.

          it will test congress to step in once again, in order to get that type of test approved.
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          • Illusion
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            • 08-09-05
            • 25166

            #6
            Since this stuff doesn't show up in urine tests I think they should submitt to blood tests.
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            • daystrom
              SBR Hustler
              • 03-05-06
              • 60

              #7
              For as long as our sun burns, itll never happen.
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              • bigboydan
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 08-10-05
                • 55420

                #8
                there is no acturate tests to show who is and who isn't taking this stuff. so, who's to say that MLB can really do much about it.
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                • onlooker
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                  • 08-10-05
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                  #9
                  Looks like the NFL Players Association wont allow the testing for HGH through Blood testing.
                  Im sure the MLBPA will go the same route as the NFLPA.

                  Report: NFLPA against blood testing for HGH

                  ESPN.com news services

                  The NFL Players Association doubts the validity of current testing methods for human growth hormone and says the league does not intend to implement blood testing of its players for HGH, The Washington Post reported Saturday.

                  NFLPA executive director Gene Upshaw told the newspaper that he and other league leaders doubt the reliability of blood testing first used at the 2004 Athens Olympics.

                  "What we're doing at this point is reviewing to see about the performance of the test," Upshaw told The Post. "We're not so sure the test works. There's no urine test, and even the blood test is not reliable."

                  Arizona Diamondbacks pitcher Jason Grimsley admitted to federal investigators that he took human growth hormone, steroids and amphetamines, according to court documents.

                  According to The Post, growth hormone is on the league's list of banned substances, but there is no reliable urine test for it. Upshaw said he would oppose blood testing of players.

                  "When you start talking about coming in to take a person's blood, that's different than taking someone's urine," Upshaw told the NFLPA. "I know personally I would have a problem with someone coming in and trying to take the players' blood. I'm not ready to make that leap."
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                  • Mudcat
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                    • 07-21-05
                    • 9287

                    #10
                    Originally posted by onlòóker
                    Looks like the NFL Players Association wont allow the testing for HGH through Blood testing.
                    Im sure the MLBPA will go the same route as the NFLPA.

                    After reading that article, I'd have to agree.
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