1st Gallup Poll shows Romney edging Obama

[andywend]

RKelly110 the conservative:

Originally posted by rkelly110
I encountered my 1st true 25 yo liberal and have to say, he made me sick also.
The subject was illegal aliens. He had no problem whatsoever with letting them
come freely and do whatever they wanted. He was also a Ron Paul fan.

A live at home, no driving, have mommy and daddy provide everything and this
is his 1st job out of college for mechanical engineering and doesn't know how
a hammer drill worked. I believe he's queer also, which would bring out the liberal
perspective on life.

Since I'm mostly conservative and for the preservation of our culture, meeting a
true liberal did upset me, so I know where Andy is coming from.

RKelly110 the liberal:

1st war ended= economy picking up. What will the 2nd war ending bring?

Maybe if 'bama went to the middle east and bowed to their leaders, the gas prices
might come down. You guys would still bitch, because he bowed to them.

Maybe if the Repubs would get over what ever their little problem is, they could help
get us going again. 'bama was willing to use some Repub plans and they still acted
like babies. (as seen here also)

'bama and the Dem's of all branches deserve to win this election, they have acted
like adults. Some of you need to use what's in your head for once and act like adults.

[ByeShea]

Have a nice day.

http://harndenblog.dailymail.co.uk/2012/04/barack-obamas-re-election-bid-is-in-deep-trouble.html

[golfrulz]

andy the conservative

[DwightShrute]

[DwightShrute]

[King Mayan]

no votes costa rican canadian.

[Sam Odom]

cracks leaking water - Obama's ship is in trouble

Elected Dems are throwing him under the bus

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/04/20/dem-senator-doesnt-know-if-he-will-vote-for-obama/

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin says he’s unsure whether he’ll vote for his party’s leader, President Barack Obama, or the likely Republican nominee Mitt Romney.

[DwightShrute]

no votes costa rican canadian.

Out my front door this morning



looking out the back

[King Mayan]

[DwightShrute]

[shari91]

If we had been smart and mobilised earlier, an SBR poster could've won this thing. This is a dinky donk election.

Seriously I'm going to get my overseas ballot and it's going to be a case of voting for yuk and yuk. At least one of you f'rs would've supported online gambling. What a bloody mess.

[Shaudius]

Out my front door this morning



looking out the back

Yeah, things certainly were awesome in this country before Obama took office, oh wait...

[Shaudius]

Oil from Canada is domestic energy? I don't think the person who made that cartoon knows what the word domestic means.

[ByeShea]

Oil from Canada is domestic energy? I don't think the person who made that cartoon knows what the word domestic means.

Meanings and jokes are like jizz, always flying over Shadius's head.

[baskets]

vote for the human in 2012

[Sam Odom]

Barry Obama was LOUDLY BOOed in BeanTown today at Fenway

[Shaudius]

Meanings and jokes are like jizz, always flying over Shadius's head.

So its okay to make a political cartoon, that sadly people believe, that's factually incorrect? Why tell the truth when the lie plays better I guess...

[ByeShea]

Why tell the truth when the lie plays better I guess...

"Pass this stimulus $767 billion stimulus and unemployment will go no higher than 8%" (Keep unemployment under 8%, LOL ... and that stimulus only came in $95 billion over budget)

"this health care bill will cost $938 billion over 10 years and reduce the deficit"
(Actual cost $1.76 trillion and counting)

[DwightShrute]

Oil from Canada is domestic energy? I don't think the person who made that cartoon knows what the word domestic means.

I dont wanna harp on a cartoon but I dont see what is wrong with it. The oil will go from Canada to the US and you can refine that oil and use it. Use it in as energy it. in the US. Or domestically.

Seems reasonably to me.

Lets move on

[andywend]

More DwightShrute's and less Golfrulz's/King Mayan's - The answer to all the problems that plague the U.S.

[muldoon]

The oil will go from Canada to the US and you can refine that oil and use it. Use it in as energy it. in the US. Or domestically.

Except that the CEO of Valero (the company that will be refining the crude) has stated the big target markets for this refined oil are diesel to South America and Europe.

How will this help the price of gas again stateside???

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/key-us-refiner-foresees-greater-supply-of-canadian-oil/article2360862/?service=mobile

[DwightShrute]

Except that the CEO of Valero (the company that will be refining the crude) has stated the big target markets for this refined oil are diesel to South America and Europe.

How will this help the price of gas again stateside???

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/report-...service=mobile

I heard that also. That's screwed up. You guys need to have someone make sure that it stays in the US and is used to lower prices

[muldoon]

I heard that also. That's screwed up. You guys need to have someone make sure that it stays in the US and is used to lower prices

And who would you recommend step in and force companies to only sell the end product domestically? Hugo Chavez?

It's easy to say this is about jobs or domestic energy, but in the end, it's about somewhat cheaper refining to sell elsewhere - that's it.

[DwightShrute]

greed

how much can they possibly squeeze out of the American consumer.

[Shaudius]

I heard that also. That's screwed up. You guys need to have someone make sure that it stays in the US and is used to lower prices

A congressman attempted to attach an amendment to the Keystone Pipeline vote that would have made approval conditional on the oil staying in the US, it got soundly defeated by the Republican House. Like I said before, its not domestic oil, and it won't be staying here, all you're getting out of the Keystone pipeline is a few thousand temporary construction jobs and a couple dozen perm jobs, mostly in Canada.

[Shaudius]

"Pass this stimulus $767 billion stimulus and unemployment will go no higher than 8%" (Keep unemployment under 8%, LOL ... and that stimulus only came in $95 billion over budget)

President Obama never said that(it sounds like you're attributing it to him as a pledge). There was never a public pledge of this, and I challenge you to find one(hint: you can't). This false quotation isn't even right, the projection was 8.5% and it came with heavy disclaimers about other economic conditions and it was made by Obama economic advisers in a report, never by the President himself in any speech that anyone has ever seen able to produce.

"this health care bill will cost $938 billion over 10 years and reduce the deficit"
(Actual cost $1.76 trillion and counting)

Who exactly are you claiming lied here? The $938 billion figure is the CBO estimate from the time. Should we just not trust the CBO, which is independent, to value bills? Also remember that the cost you are referring to is not the net cost, its the total cost. The cost figure you point to is actually associated with a decreased net cost over the original anticipated CBO estimate.

More intellectual dishonesty is always good though I guess...

[ByeShea]

A congressman attempted to attach an amendment to the Keystone Pipeline vote that would have made approval conditional on the oil staying in the US, it got soundly defeated by the Republican House.

As it should have been. Government meddling like that causes far more problems than solution.

The reason exporting is so attractive in the first place is because of our weak dollar. (which is itself a result of, you guessed it, excessive government meddling in Fed policy.)

[DwightShrute]

As it should have been. Government meddling like that causes far more problems than solution.

The reason exporting is so attractive in the first place is because of our weak dollar. (which is itself a result of, you guessed it, excessive government meddling in Fed policy.)

great point

[ByeShea]

President Obama never said that(it sounds like you're attributing it to him as a pledge). There was never a public pledge of this, and I challenge you to find one(hint: you can't). It was a projection, just like the other thing you try to paint a lie.



Who exactly are you claiming lied here? The $938 billion figure is the CBO estimate from the time. Should we just not trust the CBO, which is independent, to value bills? Also remember that the cost you are referring to is not the net cost, its the total cost. The cost figure you point to is actually associated with a decreased net cost over the original anticipated CBO estimate.

More intellectual dishonesty is always good though I guess...

This took me 1 second to find on Google, a Reuters article from July 2009:
DEMOCRATS CITE CBO REPORT TO BOLSTER HEALTH CARE CASE

http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/07/27/us-usa-healthcare-idUSTRE56M0HE20090727

Only the talking heads were taking the "independent" CBO at face value when the Obama administration and leadership of both chambers of Congress were on a full-court press to pass the health care bill.

What a colossal waste.

Keep enlightening us, Shad.

[King Mayan]

More DwightShrute's and less Golfrulz's/King Mayan's - The answer to all the problems that plague the U.S.

Cowards love cowards.

[DwightShrute]

Cowards love cowards.

You are the biggest coward and fool here

[King Mayan]

[Shaudius]

As it should have been. Government meddling like that causes far more problems than solution.

But the whole thing was a response to the cartoon calling it domestic oil. Which it isn't, whatever the merits of keeping the oil here, it wasn't going to stay here. I was specifically responding to the idea that it would stay here.

The reason exporting is so attractive in the first place is because of our weak dollar. (which is itself a result of, you guessed it, excessive government meddling in Fed policy.)

The dollar is actually stronger against the Euro today than it was in 2008. The yield for US treasuries is significantly lower today then it was four years ago, which I probably do have to tell you, means that the dollar is stronger than it was in 2008. In fact, the US government, just 2 months ago in February, was actually talking about auctioning off treasuries at negative interest because of such high demand for US treasuries(because US dollar based assets are considered extremely safe and the dollar strong).

I mean do you just parrot everything you hear no matter if its true or not?

[King Mayan]

[Sam Odom]

this is a gambling forum fukknuts