I wonder how much the gov.and judge got under the table from Churchill Downs corp?It will be a Goodfellas scenario where you will see them and their families getting new cars and furs in the near future.
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"* Unlicensed Internet gambling significantly undermines and threatens horseracing, Kentucky's signature industry and a key tourism industry, by creating unregulated and untaxed competition"
This is the real reason! It's not even about the Children and God and moral reassons. It's about money!!
And the 2006 UIEGA law was also about money!
There IS gambling in the U.S. - in Las Vegas, Kentucky and in many states. And those entrenched gambling interests don't want competition from overseas. Hence, they lobby Congress and Bush behind the scenes to stomp out the offshore competition.
Why? Because it's a lot easier to convince the politicians to attack the Offshore websites than it is to pass a law legalizing all internet wagering.
All the Moral arguments are a coverComment -
Fuk This, Fuk Them!!!!Comment -
Originally posted by Iwinyourmoney
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This is exactly it!Originally posted by TeamPlayer"* Unlicensed Internet gambling significantly undermines and threatens horseracing, Kentucky's signature industry and a key tourism industry, by creating unregulated and untaxed competition"
This is the real reason! It's not even about the Children and God and moral reassons. It's about money!!
And the 2006 UIEGA law was also about money!
There IS gambling in the U.S. - in Las Vegas, Kentucky and in many states. And those entrenched gambling interests don't want competition from overseas. Hence, they lobby Congress and Bush behind the scenes to stomp out the offshore competition.
Why? Because it's a lot easier to convince the politicians to attack the Offshore websites than it is to pass a law legalizing all internet wagering.
All the Moral arguments are a cover
Your corrupt government hard at work stomping out your freedoms all in the name of profits for their corporate buddies. **** if their hurting so bad why not just give them $700 billion? It seems to be the going trend these days.Comment -
Full list is here, on the last page (PDF) http://www.point-spreads.com/downloa...in%20Names.pdfComment -
lol, probably NE mlOriginally posted by IwinyourmoneyComment -
yesOriginally posted by Helmut
and stop Iraq war, just give 10billion to haliburton and rest and save some lives.
bird bird da bird's da wordComment -
You might want to read the article buddy.Originally posted by wtfComment -
china is worse. not only will they seize the domain names, but they will seize your asset and put you in work camp.Comment -
Nuts!
Whats next for these A-holes!
I must complain the cards are ill shuffled till I have a good hand. ~Jonathan SwiftComment -
That is a great quote.I had one of the greatest times of my life visiting asia and china.There is so much growth and optimismOriginally posted by reno cool
Hong kong has an incredible atmosphere for wagering especially in horse racing,I didn't visit macau but all over asia gaming has seen massive growth.
No wonder pinnacle seems unconcerned about the pullout of the us with the increasingly bad environment here for wagering.,I just wonder how many other books will be pulling out.
Pico that isn't true in hong kong is it? I don't know I just visited , so you probably know more than I do.Comment -
Sbgglobal... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOComment -
That is easier said then done sir. There are just way to many factors that would deem it as un-doable IMO.Originally posted by MonkeyF0ckerComment -
guys, This isn't about China or Timbuktu or anywhere else. Stay focused.
It's about our U.S. politicians having the audacity to do special favors for their coporate buddies in the gambling industry and doing it in the name of God and Children. It stinks! Who are the real sinners here? It's the greedy politicians as usual. It seems to me that Americans need to hold them more accountable. They seem to get away with everything.Comment -
damn, i just checked the list, most sound like scam books anyway, but they did snag a few good ones, none that which i play at now, used to play at 2 of them a little.
most of the domains sound like just online casino type places.Comment -
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full article was not posted in original thread, but thanks for you concern, dorkOriginally posted by dwaechteComment -
It's a bunch of bullshit. If the domain name isn't registered in the US, they can't touch it, so what's the difference. There are only a few decent books left anyway, and it seems like those books are not on the list. On a side note, I used Moneygram for the first time thru Bookmaker.com and was happy to get payout info in 1-2 days. However, I ran into the problem of going to numerous Moneygram outlets that did not have $1,000 available to give me. Pain in my ASS!!!Comment -
damn, Wally World didn't have ten Franklins at the customer service counter, or the check cashing center in the hood? where was you going for **, a local convenient store?Originally posted by robert715Comment -
Vegas casinos are rightfully weary of any attack on gambling.Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
Unlike stupid ass racetracks who have been crying foul for decades, casinos at least pretend to respect their patrons.
There are many racing fans who would love to wager serious money if the takeout wasn't so high. Give us cash back programs, bonuses, free food, whatever. Don't they realize that 25% of 100,000 is less than 10% of 500,000.
They want to alienate serious gamblers yet preserve the sport. They think they're on par with the NBA or something.
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Thats bull, BBD. There are plenty of developed nations that have regulated markets in place. It certainly wouldn't be difficult to mimic what those countries are already doing...Originally posted by bigboydanComment -
UK and (more so) Australia have had legally licensed books for decades.Comment -
I don't think these books have much of a chance of winning this fight against the U.S. Government.
Online gambling sites ready to fight Beshear's plan to block them
By Connie Leonard - bio | email
Posted by Charles Gazaway - email
FRANKFORT, KY (WAVE) - Internet gambling in Kentucky will be front and center in a Franklin Circuit Courtroom Tuesday as the Kentucky Justice and Public Safety Cabinet will argue for blocking access to illegal online gaming sites.
Gov. Steve Beshear wants to block 141 gambling websites calling them illegal and unregulated. Monday, some of the people who represent those sites fired back calling the governor's action unconstitutional.
"Nobody has been as reckless as Kentucky has on this," said Edward James Leyden, attorney for iMEGA, Interactive Media Entertainment & Gaming Association.
Leyden, whose group was founded to foster cooperation between the online industry and government at all levels, and to promote innovation, openness and freedom on the Internet, was just one of the lawyers and representatives of 141 gambling web sites being targeted by Beshear who aren't happy to be in the Bluegrass state again.
"Here's how I react to it. Governor Beshear needs to read the constitution," said Leyden.
The group calls the move by the governor unprecedented and an attempt to limit competition in free marketplace.
"They compete with instate interests," Leyden said.
Specifically, the Kentucky Lottery and horse racing. They point to twinspires.com as a site that wasn't on the governor's list. But, Kentucky Justice and Public Safety officials say all the sites on the list operate offshore and are illegal. They say online paramutual wagering, like twinspires.com, is allowed by federal law and is fully regulated.
"I guess the perception is it's just out of staters and it's just people who aren't here in Kentucky, then it's a free ride," said Leyden.
John Pappas of the National Poker Players Alliance says his group supported Beshear's run for governor and his pro-gaming stance. Pappas says now his group has a message for the governor.
"We would welcome any proposal for you to regulate and tax online poker. And in fact if you move forward with your casino plans and they don't include a regulation and taxing for online poker, we will oppose those casino plans because of your position against our pastime," said Pappas.
Although some site owners have blocked access to Kentucky as they wait for a judge's ruling in the case, officials in the Kentucky Justice and Public Safety Cabinet say the majority are still in operation.Comment -
ARE YOU ****ING SERIOUS????? What does that really mean though? At least I'm almost within seeing distance of TennesseeComment -
Originally posted by bigboydan
Maybe you can get a paid posting job at a John McCain forum.Comment -
I wont be a bit surprised if Florida doesnt do something like this next,JMO.
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this cant work, can it? Kentucky doesn't have the jurisdiction. So, could I get on Pokerstars right now? I'm lostComment -
No, they do not have jurisdiction. Nothing will happen. At least that is the commonly-held view among law professors/bloggers, etc.Comment -
Here is the most up to date report on this story that just came across the wire.
Attorneys fight against Ky. Web gambling lawsuit
By JOE BIESK 10.07.08, 5:49 PM ET
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Lawyers from around the country packed a Franklin County courtroom Tuesday asking a local circuit judge to dismiss Kentucky's attempt at blocking residents' access to numerous online gambling Web sites.
Gov. Steve Beshear's administration - which supports legalizing casino gambling in the state - says the online gambling Web sites are illegal and Kentuckians should not have access to them.
Attorneys opposing the state, however, say Kentucky doesn't have jurisdiction on a case that could have international ramifications.
"These domain names do not exist here," said Jerry Stouck, a Washington attorney representing the Interactive Gaming Council. "They can't be found in Kentucky and therefore they can't be seized here."
Attorneys for Kentucky have asked Judge Thomas Wingate to forfeit control to the state of 141 gambling related sites, some of the Internet's most popular. They claim the Web site names should be treated as illegal gambling devices and blocked from doing business in Kentucky.
Beshear, a Democrat, made his support for a constitutional amendment legalizing casino gambling a central focus of his campaign for governor last year. The governor tried and failed earlier this year to get the General Assembly to put a proposed amendment before voters.
Kentucky already allows gambling on horse racing and bingo, and has a state lottery.
Still, Beshear has called the Internet gambling sites targeted by his administration as "leeches on our communities" and acknowledged the move would protect the state's "signature industry."
Wingate said he would hope to have a ruling by next week.
Rob Slauenwhite, a 28-year-old Louisville resident, attended Tuesday's court proceedings wearing a shirt that advertised a Web site where he likes to play poker. Slauenwhite, who works two restaurant jobs and is studying for his master's degree, said he thinks the state is attempting to infringe on personal rights.
"It's just something I like to do in my home," Slauenwhite said, adding that he voted for Beshear because of his support for gambling. "I feel it's more of a state's invasion trying to take that away from me what I'm doing privately in my own home."Comment -
Josh raises some good points. The U.S. can't regulate a domain name that was registered offshore. Plus if the servers are offshore they can't seize them. I would highly doubt that the majority of these companies would do either on US soil. They would have to see this coming.Originally posted by JoshWComment -
I know first hand that youbet sends all "signers" to the government. One year I forgot/missed 2 or 3 and got called on in it. I spoke to the guy directly (no attorney), showed my records, explained the situation and got it taken care of that day. No account with xpress but would imagine, they to report all "signers". Bottom line is the government want their cut and when they get a slice of the pie, all is fine - don't give them any pie and they get pissy.Originally posted by wtf
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Thanks for the link. The file prints four page and the last one has the sites involved in the suit.Originally posted by Long John Silver
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Beshear will be here tommorow, I probably would have went if I hadnt seen this. I know everybody thinks ALL of Kentucky is backward, but its really not. Hard to prove that with shit like this thoughComment -
the usa govt is turning into the new-era gestapo....give it a few years see what else they can take from you thats not already illegal nowComment -
Here is the latest info on this situation gentlemen.
ICA Issues Statement on Kentucky Court Ruling
Friday, October 17th, 2008
Internet Commerce Association blasts court decision.
If you haven’t already heard, the case brought by Kentucky against owners of domain names related to gambling will proceed. The judge announced today that he will not throw out the case.
Think of the ramifications if the governor of Kentucky ultimately prevails. Will a court in China decide that America.com spreads democracy and file an order to seize the domain name?
Here is the official statement from Jeremiah Johnston, President of the Internet Commerce Association:
“The Internet Commerce Association is extremely disappointed in the decision issued by the Court this afternoon. This is a dangerous decision not just for domain name investors and developers but for all who value commerce and free speech on the Internet. The Court has incorrectly held that domain names are a form of property subject to in rem jurisdiction anywhere on the face of the Earth where their associated websites may be viewed on a computer screen. Even worse, it has endorsed the seizure of domain names absent notice and hearing, violating basic principles of due process. If the logic of this decision was broadly adopted then Internet commerce and speech would be at risk on a global basis. For example, U.S. companies conducting legal business activities in this nation could be subject to seizure orders for their domain names issued by foreign courts for lack of compliance with local law and regulation merely because their websites can be viewed abroad. Even more worrisome, the courts of totalitarian regimes could issue seizures orders against domain names used to spread truth and advocate freedom to their repressed populations. The remedy proposed by the court – geographic blocking so that none of the subject websites can be viewed from within Kentucky – is infeasible for individual domain names which could be subject to different laws and regulation in thousands of jurisdictions worldwide.
“The ICA does appreciate that Judge Wingate has indicated that he will continue to let us participate in this case as friends of the court. Given the high stakes for freedom, commerce, and the rights of domain name owners, the ICA plans to remain actively engaged in this critically important litigation.”Comment
