Home from the Huskies. I am absolutely floored.

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  • BigOrangeTitans
    SBR MVP
    • 11-23-07
    • 4504

    #1
    Home from the Huskies. I am absolutely floored.
    Ty willingham said after the game in the postgame that he would NOT have gone for 2pt conversion for what its worth, so that wont be my argument.. I went to the game and I live in Seattle. The "excessive celebration" was a complete botch job by a pac 10 crew that is responsible for at least 1 complete fuk jobs a year, just ask oklahoma, who missed out on a nat. champ game due to the officiating in a game against Oregon. I can tell you that after the horrible clock management, the stadium was on edge.... The reason? UW finds NEW ways to lose games every year. Being a fan of the program is almost a chore at this point.

    When the flag was thrown, i didnt see the actual infraction as the stadium was going NUTs.... After we see the flag a giant hush came over the stadium. They called the penalty and the endzone locker ran into was most BYU fans, and they absolutely erupted. The feelin in the stadium was eerie, and I can tell ya firsthand that everyone there Expected the Inevitable block. I am from the school of thought that a PAT attempt that is nearly twice as far as the original, it gives you twice the chance to have it blocked.

    Then it happens, they block the PAT. The entire, and I do mean entire sideline ran onto the field in the worst display of sportsmanship and lack of respect I've ever seen. A usual passive crowd was in an uproar, and began to throw things. It was truly disgusting to see a religious based program do something of that nature. I honestly wanted to beat a BYU cheerleader to a pulp after that.

    So yes, that flag robbed the viewers, the players, the programs, and the networks of a great ending to a great game that deserved an extra frame. I've always thought that unless it happens on the field, or is completely blatent, a ref shouldnt call it when it "could" directly change the course of the game. You dont want to ask "who was the officiating team?" directly after 1 call that was made with 2 sec. on the clock.
  • durito
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-03-06
    • 13173

    #2
    have you seen the replay?

    it is absolutely ridiculous. there's no way they should have made that call

    he didn't do anything
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    • AnotherLoan
      SBR MVP
      • 07-21-08
      • 2225

      #3
      Lets the kids decide the game. The ref should have been fired on the spot.
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      • BigOrangeTitans
        SBR MVP
        • 11-23-07
        • 4504

        #4
        I never seen so many grown men want to cry. This program needed this way and Willingham may finally get canned over it. This program needed that win.
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        • donjuan
          SBR MVP
          • 08-29-07
          • 3993

          #5
          Willingham should have been fired awhile ago but the AD is awful. Dawgman is in full meltdown mode.
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          • Panic
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 01-06-08
            • 10367

            #6
            As a Notre Dame fan, I will gladly give you Weiss for Willingham. I think Weiss sucks so bad, I want Willingham back.
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            • hoopster42
              Restricted User
              • 02-12-08
              • 6099

              #7
              i was watching live on tv, then i replayed it on dvr about 5 times, here's what jake locker did,

              when he scored, he got up and flung the ball straight up in the air and slightly behind him, that is a penalty. you CANNOT do that. was it ticky tack? YES

              was it excessive celebration by the rules? YES

              you can celebrate with your teammates, but you cannot fling the ball 30 ft + straight up in the air

              this is the rule, i'm sorry for wash fans and for jake that it happened, but it did

              i'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet because is CLEARLY what the penalty flag was thrown for, it was NOT thrown for him screaming and celebrating w/his teammate, it's because he threw the damn ball way up in the air, and you cannot do that according to the rule book
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              • BigOrangeTitans
                SBR MVP
                • 11-23-07
                • 4504

                #8
                EXTRA POINTS: Willingham said there were no real thoughts on going for two after Locker's touchdown with two seconds to play. "We had made up our mind. We decided taking it to overtime was the best way to do it and, unfortunately, we didn't get that opportunity." ... A damning statistic for the Huskies was BYU's third-down conversion rate. The Cougars converted 12 of 14. ... Huskies game captains were center Juan Garcia, fullback Paul Homer and linebackers Stevens and Trenton Tuiasosopo


                I cant think of a program that needed a win more...Other than notre dame. Both coaches have the same problem... They can recruit, but they can coach and gameplan.
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                • donjuan
                  SBR MVP
                  • 08-29-07
                  • 3993

                  #9
                  As a Notre Dame fan, I will gladly give you Weiss for Willingham. I think Weiss sucks so bad, I want Willingham back.
                  Not a Husky fan so couldn't make the trade, although I am a Locker fan and would like to see the Huskies do well. I'm a Colorado fan and we have our own problem with a coach who can recruit but is running terrible schemes at the moment. We need to switch from the shotgun to the pistol ASAP.
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                  • BigOrangeTitans
                    SBR MVP
                    • 11-23-07
                    • 4504

                    #10
                    Originally posted by hoopster42
                    i was watching live on tv, then i replayed it on dvr about 5 times, here's what jake locker did,

                    when he scored, he got up and flung the ball straight up in the air and slightly behind him, that is a penalty. you CANNOT do that. was it ticky tack? YES

                    was it excessive celebration by the rules? YES

                    you can celebrate with your teammates, but you cannot fling the ball 30 ft + straight up in the air

                    this is the rule, i'm sorry for wash fans and for jake that it happened, but it did

                    i'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet because is CLEARLY what the penalty flag was thrown for, it was NOT thrown for him screaming and celebrating w/his teammate, it's because he threw the damn ball way up in the air, and you cannot do that according to the rule book
                    It should be a judgement call. He never taunt anyone and he never meant to do it. If he scores, the sidelines go crazy, the coaches freak, the fans scream and the alum and booasters do what the hell ever they want, but the one who scores can celebrate?

                    A zebras "controversial" call, because yes, it was controversial, should it decide the game.... Especially on a dead ball call that could be called after every touchdown these days if you read the new rules.
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                    • Panic
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 01-06-08
                      • 10367

                      #11
                      Originally posted by donjuan
                      Not a Husky fan so couldn't make the trade, although I am a Locker fan and would like to see the Huskies do well. I'm a Colorado fan and we have our own problem with a coach who can recruit but is running terrible schemes at the moment. We need to switch from the shotgun to the pistol ASAP.
                      Weiss is one of the most overrated coaches in quite sometime. He breaks nearly every statistical record in Notre Dame history for under achievement last year. Then he hands the playcalling duties off to some other guy and in all reality, we should have lost today. I was hoping they did, because I believe he would have been done at Notre Dame. They cant use the excuse of waiting for his recruits anymore. They lose today at home to San Diego St and Weiss would be fired at season's end if not sooner.
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                      • Brock Landers
                        SBR Aristocracy
                        • 06-30-08
                        • 45359

                        #12
                        They should have been down by a lot more, Unga fumbled as he was on the goal line ealrier in the game...Locker converting 3rd and 4th and long, a miracle it got that close anyway
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                        • BigOrangeTitans
                          SBR MVP
                          • 11-23-07
                          • 4504

                          #13
                          This is from the guy who blocked the PAT
                          Jorgensen, BYU's stellar defensive end, busted through the line and got a hand on Ryan Perkins' long-distance PAT, setting off a wild celebration for the Cougars.
                          "I was surprised they threw it," Jorgensen said of Locker's penalty. "It just turned out well for us. It was one of those things when they threw the flag it was destiny. You felt like we were supposed to win this game."
                          Expert recap and game analysis of the BYU Cougars vs. Washington Huskies NCAAF game from September 6, 2008 on ESPN.
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                          • BigOrangeTitans
                            SBR MVP
                            • 11-23-07
                            • 4504

                            #14
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                            • parlayin
                              SBR MVP
                              • 11-03-07
                              • 1091

                              #15
                              Originally posted by BigOrangeTitans
                              This is from the guy who blocked the PAT


                              http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=282500264
                              Jorgensen makes a great point. Since it was destiny for BYU to win the game, even if the ref didn't throw that flag, something else would have happened for the Cougs to win. Bad snap, kicker would have missed, etc. Results of sporting events are usually pre-determined as a matter of fate. Thank you, Mr. Jorgensen.
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                              • jjgold
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 07-20-05
                                • 388179

                                #16
                                Ref should be shot in the head or loss his job
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                                • VegasDave
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 01-03-07
                                  • 8056

                                  #17
                                  A few things...

                                  I completely understand being upset... nothing is worse then losing on complete bullshit.

                                  That being said, I disagree with a few things being said here. First of all, all this hate on the officials is unfair. This is how the rule reads straight out of the book:

                                  "After a score or any other play, the player in possession immediately
                                  must return the ball to an official or leave it near the dead-ball spot.
                                  This prohibits:
                                  (a) Kicking, throwing, spinning or carrying (including off of the
                                  field) the ball any distance that requires an official to retrieve it.

                                  (b) Spiking the ball to the ground [Exception: A forward pass to
                                  conserve time (Rule 7-3-2-d)].
                                  (c) Throwing the ball high into the air.
                                  (d) Any other unsportsmanlike act or actions that delay the game."

                                  This is NOT a judgment call. This is straight up written in the book. It would have been unfair officiating to NOT to make this call. I agree the rule is flawed and SHOULD be open for interpretation, but as it is written now, it was 100% the right call.

                                  Secondly, I also disagree with the "classlessness of running out on the field" comment. That's just sour grapes. Trust me, I know them.. I was at a game in the playoffs Kings VS. St. Louis about 10 years ago Kings were up 4 - 2 and St. Louis crosschecks our goaltender into the post head first, giving him a concussion. A King retaliates by decking the guy. KINGS get a 5 minute major penalty, St. Louis gets NOTHING. We leave concussed goalie in and give up 3 goals and lose.

                                  I fvcking hated St. Louis for celebrating what was CLEARLY BULLshit but its still a win and they can't control the refs... don't blame BYU and its players for getting a key block and escaping with the win.
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                                  • donjuan
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 08-29-07
                                    • 3993

                                    #18
                                    This is NOT a judgment call. This is straight up written in the book. It would have been unfair officiating to NOT to make this call. I agree the rule is flawed and SHOULD be open for interpretation, but as it is written now, it was 100% the right call.
                                    Huh? Isn't "high" a judgment? Also, the rules are never strictly enforced. They are always open to interpretation or you would see an excessive celebration penalty after 95% of TDs.
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