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  • englishmike
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    • 06-19-08
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    #1
    Durito.....
    Durito.....I started following something at the end of last season in a kinda part-time way, I really didn't put much time into it and I started looking at it again this year and I may or may not be onto something.

    In the lower two divisions of the Football League in England (one and two, formerly two & three), many clubs are struggling for money, some are really close to going out of buisness. Somehow they manage to survive but there is an ongoing cost cutting regime in progress at a lot of these clubs that has become incredible.

    These cost cutting measures have got so severe at a lot of clubs, they are now travelling long distances on a bus on the morning of the game to save the cost of an overnight hotel for the team.

    Example: Last Saturday, AFC Bournemouth travelled to Port Vale on the morning of the game, 240 miles. They lost 3-1.

    That is just one example, there are a few more, but as yet I haven't researched it enough to see if there is an edge to be gained or not by backing home teams who will be playing a team that has travelled 'on the day.' Obviously if the home team is -200 it doesn't matter how the away team travelled, they'll probably lose because they're not as good as the team they're playing anyway, I'm looking at home teams who are mid-table but will be playing another mid-table team that has travelled on the day, thus ensuring a nice price.

    To me, it stands to reason that, if you have two evenly matched teams but one has sat on a bus for four hours, the team that didn't sit on the bus must have some sort of edge....or maybe not, that's what I plan to find out, maybe I'm completely wrong and there's nothng in it.

    However, I do think it's worth looking at so here's what I plan to do. I will post on this thread every Friday three games at decent prices where i beleive the away team has travelled on the day just to see over a month what kind of percentage I can hit.

    Obviously this theory is different because it's placing an emphasis on outside factors rather than totally handicapping a game on the merits of form alone.

    If there is an edge to be found it could be another tool for winning money on games that bookmakers have historically taken little time over because of the sheer amount of games that now need to be priced up.

    I'll post three tommorow.
  • durito
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    • 07-03-06
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    #2
    It's certainly a consideration, I don't know how big those markets are.

    I do know that NBA teams are 28-63-2 ATS on the road the last 16 years if they play in New York the night before. As far as I could figure out, there is generally a bunch of delays getting out of NYC and most teams planes wouldn't leave till 4-6am thus a tired performance the next night. These type of things are eventually picked up by the market so you need to know a fair price on a matchup between the two teams before factoring such an angle in.

    IE if the fair price on the home team should be -180 normally, then perhaps you have an edge betting them at -180 when the road team got no sleep. But, if the fair price is -180 and the line is -200, maybe the bus trip has been factored into the line.

    Let me know how it goes.
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    • englishmike
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      #3
      Good reply, that's a great idea, cap the game first and then recap it with travel factored in.

      I love the New York stat, how many times did you bet on that theory before linemakers realised it as well?
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      • greenwave67
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        • 08-27-08
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        #4
        reply...

        Originally posted by durito
        It's certainly a consideration, I don't know how big those markets are.

        I do know that NBA teams are 28-63-2 ATS on the road the last 16 years if they play in New York the night before. As far as I could figure out, there is generally a bunch of delays getting out of NYC and most teams planes wouldn't leave till 4-6am thus a tired performance the next night. These type of things are eventually picked up by the market so you need to know a fair price on a matchup between the two teams before factoring such an angle in.

        IE if the fair price on the home team should be -180 normally, then perhaps you have an edge betting them at -180 when the road team got no sleep. But, if the fair price is -180 and the line is -200, maybe the bus trip has been factored into the line.

        Let me know how it goes.
        Q. In my Super Bowl 43 Coin Toss Bet, you indicated that you would accept my bet on the 2 team parlay. Unfortunately, you never wrote back.
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        • pavyracer
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          • 04-12-07
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          #5
          Englishmike,

          Find out if groopies accompany the bus travelling team on the long morning bus rides. This may explain the decreased performance of these teams on the pitch.
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          • englishmike
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            #6
            Originally posted by pavyracer
            Englishmike,

            Find out if groopies accompany the bus travelling team on the long morning bus rides. This may explain the decreased performance of these teams on the pitch.
            If brains were made of dynamite, you wouldn't have enough to blow your hat off old chap.
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            • englishmike
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              #7
              Originally posted by greenwave67
              Q. In my Super Bowl 43 Coin Toss Bet, you indicated that you would accept my bet on the 2 team parlay. Unfortunately, you never wrote back.
              I'll take your bet if Durito doesnt.
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              • durito
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                • 07-03-06
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                #8
                He's all yours englishmike
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                • englishmike
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by durito
                  He's all yours englishmike
                  Thanks. Somehow I dont think Ive got the patience to listen to him ask a million questions about working out the logistics
                  but if it means he stops posting the question itll be worth it.
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                  • englishmike
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                    #10
                    Three English soccer games fit my profile for travelling on the day this week. (Stan James prices)

                    League 1: Cheltenham +160 To Beat Huddersfield, who travel 158 Miles.

                    League 1: Walsall -110 To Beat Leyton Orient, who travel 130 miles.

                    League 2: Port Vale +138 To Beat Bradford who travel 82 miles.

                    For anyone who may be following this nonsense, the results can be found here at 12 Noon EST Saturday.

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                    • greenwave67
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                      • 08-27-08
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                      #11
                      reply 11

                      Originally posted by englishmike
                      Thanks. Somehow I dont think Ive got the patience to listen to him ask a million questions about working out the logistics
                      but if it means he stops posting the question itll be worth it.
                      A. Only posted 2x's... I never understood the details on your specifics.
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                      • englishmike
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                        #12
                        My specifics are simple. I'll take your bet and we'll both deposit the money with escrow or an attorney, take it or leave it but stop asking the same tired question.
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                        • greenwave67
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                          • 08-27-08
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by englishmike
                          My specifics are simple. I'll take your bet and we'll both deposit the money with escrow or an attorney, take it or leave it but stop asking the same tired question.
                          A. How far do I have to travel for this thing, as I want to put down $6,000 for a 2 team parlay... On your side, do you feel safe with your selection? No tired question just in the dark here...
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                          • englishmike
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by englishmike
                            Three English soccer games fit my profile for travelling on the day this week. (Stan James prices)

                            League 1: Cheltenham +160 To Beat Huddersfield, who travel 158 Miles.

                            League 1: Walsall -110 To Beat Leyton Orient, who travel 130 miles.

                            League 2: Port Vale +138 To Beat Bradford who travel 82 miles.

                            For anyone who may be following this nonsense, the results can be found here at 12 Noon EST Saturday.

                            http://www.sportinglife.com/football/live/latestscores/
                            0-3, I think my system is suffering teething problems. I will plough on regardless, I still think there's something in this.
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                            • pavyracer
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                              • 04-12-07
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                              #15
                              I only played Walsall. They blew. Keep working on it Mike.
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                              • accuscoresucks
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                                #16
                                id like to see some golf picks mike??
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                                • englishmike
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                                  #17
                                  The reason i'm carrying on is because i'm yet to find a way of factoring in the actual chance of the away team winning regardless of the travel. It's hard to pinpoint the given day that the travel aspect will kick in.

                                  For the record, I liked all three of those games anyway, regardless of the travel and did back them all for small money, so I'm more confused now than I was to start with but I'm gonna persevere a bit longer because I'm stubborn.
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                                  • englishmike
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by accuscoresucks
                                    id like to see some golf picks mike??
                                    The golf season has kinda petered out for me without Tiger and the start of football and soccer.

                                    I'm absolutely all over the Ryder Cup and will be posting two or three picks every day and will post all 12 final day head-to-head match ups.
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                                    • greenwave67
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                                      • 08-27-08
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                                      #19
                                      reply back...

                                      Originally posted by englishmike
                                      My specifics are simple. I'll take your bet and we'll both deposit the money with escrow or an attorney, take it or leave it but stop asking the same tired question.
                                      A. I have a CPA which is about the same thing as an attorney; he lives in Maryland. I'm staking $6,000 w/payout of 3-1 odds. I'll provide that address, are you ready or not now?
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                                      • greenwave67
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                                        • 08-27-08
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                                        #20
                                        reply...

                                        [QUOTE=greenwave67;1015452]A. I have a CPA which is about the same thing as an attorney; he lives in Maryland. I'm staking $6,000 w/payout of 3-1 odds. I'll provide that address, are you ready or not now?
                                        The actual bet-

                                        SB 43 Coin Toss
                                        1) What is called?
                                        2) What is the result?

                                        Very simple communication here.
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                                        • englishmike
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                                          #21
                                          [QUOTE=greenwave67;1015482]
                                          Originally posted by greenwave67
                                          A. I have a CPA which is about the same thing as an attorney; he lives in Maryland. I'm staking $6,000 w/payout of 3-1 odds. I'll provide that address, are you ready or not now?
                                          The actual bet-

                                          SB 43 Coin Toss
                                          1) What is called?
                                          2) What is the result?

                                          Very simple communication here.
                                          Very simple communication here: Fvck off.

                                          The guy in Maryland, is that Maryland, Nigeria?
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                                          • greenwave67
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                                            • 08-27-08
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                                            #22
                                            reply...

                                            [quote=englishmike;1015491][quote=greenwave67;1015482]

                                            Very simple communication here: Fvck off.
                                            The guy in Maryland, is that Maryland, Nigeria?
                                            A. Go jerk someone else around, I really do not have time to play games here!!! Are you for real or not, Sir?
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                                            • durito
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                                              • 07-03-06
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                                              #23
                                              3 to 1 odds?

                                              who the **** wants to take that bet.

                                              books pay 2.6 to 1 on 2 game parlays.
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                                              • greenwave67
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                                                • 08-27-08
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                                                #24
                                                [quote=durito;1015835]3 to 1 odds?
                                                Who the **** wants to take that bet?
                                                Books pay 2.6 to 1 on two team parlays.
                                                A. Then make it 2.6 odds... You failed to state that earlier! I have a CPA whom will accept it. $6,000 down x 2.6... If you have a calculator, proceed, please...

                                                (A few books pay 3-1 odds, about 12%), I believe you passed this bet on to EnglishMike, whom already turned down this bet. I was not aware that you came back 'on board' until just now.
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                                                • durito
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                                                  • 07-03-06
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                                                  #25
                                                  pt me to these books please
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                                                  • greenwave67
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                                                    #26
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                                                    [QUOTE=durito;1015874]pt me to these books please?
                                                    A. That is immaterial at this point. If 2.6 odds were correct, then proceed with your end, if not, you may want to jerk around someone else(s) on this Board. I don't have time for BS, child games now. If you're for real, stand up now! I have the CPA's address on where to mail this from your end.
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                                                    • englishmike
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                                                      #27
                                                      One game frames nicely for my travel thread this week, Leyton Orient +100 to beat Stckport County who travel 206 miles. orient won well last week so on a scale of 1-10 this bet rates a 6.5.

                                                      For the adventurous, my three team parlay is Oldham 10-11, Orient, EVS, AFC Bournemouth 10-11.
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