Why do ppl even bother to play 1/2 No Limit?

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

Where the hell is this casino at? $10/hour to play + bonus + comps wtf? My casino pays $1/hour with no comps and you pay for drinks

I dont doubt that 1/2 is beatable on its own, the debate here is whether you can overcome the monstrously high rake they charge at most casinos, but hell if theyd pay me $10/hour to play + bonuses/comps that would definitely change things, how does your casino even make a profit paying that high comps?

Casino royale in sacramento Ca. Theres 6 casinos and 8 poker rooms in sac. Lots of competition so they use this bonus just to hold their own. Free drinks always and if you no the floorman well you can get comped your meal at 1/2. 2/5 players and up get their meals comped just for playing( their currently trying to steal the bigger games away from other casinos.)*

[Darkside Magick]

yeah i want to know too because at bicycle casino they pay 10/hr @ 20/40.

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

Betil

That 500 their giving you is the casinos investment in you. You take that 500 and use it the next month when you play your next 50 hours. Over 50 hours you generate the casino a lot more money than 500. The only way the casino would not make a profit on this investment is if you took your 500 and never played there again.*

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

Assuming 40 hands a hour if 9 players played for 50 hours straight the casino would generate $8,000. They would pay out $4500 in bonuses. So its a pretty good investment because half the players they have wouldnt play that much without the bonus

[Darkside Magick]

$500 Poker Stimulus
Log 150 hours of live poker on your Players Card during the month and get $500 cash. With 3x and 2x bonus hours offered daily, you can qualify in as little as 50 hours.

from casino royale website


this is not bad at all

thxs for the headsup until!!!!!

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

Darkside omaha and 2/5 nl and up are 3x hours always. Then from 12am to 12 pm daily its 3x as well for 1/2

[bettilimbroke999]

yeah i want to know too because at bicycle casino they pay 10/hr @ 20/40.

Yea no shit, you could just about fold out with all those comps and make a profit, 10/hour + meals/bonuses, now thats what I call a casino. I just cant figure out how they can even make money paying out that much, hell at a 10 person table they're paying out 100/hour + meals/bonuses + payin their dealer not to mention overhead, doesnt even make sense

This has gotta be a new casino just putting on an incredible promo to build a customer base, hard to imagine this will continue for long

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

Yea no shit, you could just about fold out with all those comps and make a profit, 10/hour + meals/bonuses, now thats what I call a casino. I just cant figure out how they can even make money paying out that much, hell at a 10 person table they're paying out 100/hour + meals/bonuses + payin their dealer not to mention overhead, doesnt even make sense

This has gotta be a new casino just putting on an incredible promo to build a customer base, hard to imagine this will continue for long

Betil, they started this promo when the bad beat bonus got capped 2 years ago. The super bad beat has never hit since this casino opened. It got capped at 80,000 2 years ago. The bonus drop basically funds these promos they got. The casino is 3 years old btw.

[bettilimbroke999]

Betil, they started this promo when the bad beat bonus got capped 2 years ago. The super bad beat has never hit since this casino opened. It got capped at 80,000 2 years ago. The bonus drop basically funds these promos they got. The casino is 3 years old btw.

Okay that's very cool, I wish my casino did that

That's pretty wild though no bad beat in 2 years, the casino must be kinda small, its rare they go 2 months without a bad beat here

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

it has 12 tables in it but like i said their's alot of competition in sac. weekends it willl have 6-7 tables in the evenings. But there is always a game there 24/7. Just a statistical anomaly that it hasnt hit in 2+ years.

sorry for highjacking your thread tho

[bettilimbroke999]

Sounds good thanks for posting that, if anyone knows of any great casino values such as this posting would be appreciated, this payin 6 bucks a hand rake and getting back only 1/hr in comps makes 1/2 nl much less fun

[Darkside Magick]

i play 5/10 limit myself...do they spread limit there until?.....may have to go to sac-town and check it out

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

i play 5/10 limit myself...do they spread limit there until?.....may have to go to sac-town and check it out

Um i believe they spread 4/8 limit but def not 5/10 limit. Even at that its just in the afternoon.

[Darkside Magick]

i just seen it..they only spread 3/6 and 4/8 limit. still going though i like this promo!

[thetrinity]

i can see this guys point in more established areas where u got grinders for years, but these games r so loose its like people are using monopoly money where i play, and actually its been like that most places where ive played where poker is newer.

i still dont think u can make a decent living off 1-2, at least what i think is a decent living, but u can beat the game.

[bettilimbroke999]

After looking at casino royale's website which is http://www.playcasinoroyale.com for anyone interested this really seems like a great cardroom, lots of cheap tourneys even apparently a 10 dollar tuesday tourney wow unreal, nice promos, 80k bad beat, free meals etc, would I expect a person to make a living there well no, but a profit and have a great time sure. I wish they had a casino like that near me

[OTL]

Never heard of a 3 dollar cap rake, where is that at? Where I play they shove it in for 6 bucks (5 rake + 1 bad beat) virtually every hand, you're paying half the rake they charge at my casino, very lucky.

I'm in Canada, so maybe it's different here, but every casino in BC has the $3 cap on rake for 1/2 & 1/3 provided there are at least 6 players at the table. And FIY, I don't usually play on week days, because like you said, the tables are full of serious nits. It's a total waste of time.

I'll have to check out some of those casino's that pay you to play. Never heard of such a thing before but that might make playing during the week worthwhile.

[Cuse0323]

can't stand 1/2, it's a given that anytime I play I'm gonna lose at least 200 depending on how long I feel like staying. I play any cards and play like shit because I don't feel like grinding out 10 dollar pots for hours. with 2/5 if you hit a big hand, at least you're gonna get something out of it most of the time, though I lost 1800 at 2/5 yesterday but that's my own fault

[bettilimbroke999]

can't stand 1/2, it's a given that anytime I play I'm gonna lose at least 200 depending on how long I feel like staying. I play any cards and play like shit because I don't feel like grinding out 10 dollar pots for hours. with 2/5 if you hit a big hand, at least you're gonna get something out of it most of the time, though I lost 1800 at 2/5 yesterday but that's my own fault

So much is dependent on the table, on Monday-Thursday its very common to find nitty 2/5 tables (probably only 2 tables of 2/5 goin as that joke 1/2 with the 6 dollar rake dominates) where everybody at the table knows each other or a table mix of half nits half good players that is even harder to beat, casino poker is becoming a weekend only deal for me lately, seems like in Tunica at least you can hardly find a table worth playin at Monday-Thursday, just a good place to bore yourself to death and kill a couple hundred during the week

[LVHerbie]

You can probably grind out 30-40k a year playing 1/2 at casinos with horrible players if you grind like a mother fuker 12 hours a day and are good.

I assuming you mean in a live casino? Even if you could make 40k in a year (which I highly doubt) I would love to meet the person who could mentally sustain themselves sitting in chair grinding away playing one game of 1/2 in a casino 12 hours day after day...

[daneblazer]

I know a few people who make their living playing 1/2. I don't know how good of a living it is, but that's what they do. The rake at the casino is reasonable though and they also had/have online accounts.

[Sam Odom]

I hate 1/2 NoL

rather play 3/6 Limit

[sq764]

I've played at many casinos sir. The rake is unbelievable at ALL of them and it seems like the players get nittier every year. You have to understand when you bet at a casino they basically consider your money theirs and rake you accordingly, I assure you you have as good or better chance of winning if you walk into a casino and play one hand of bj or red/black roulette as you do of doubling your money at 1/2 NL on an average night, when the avg pot is 30 bucks and you got the dealer in there for 6 of em it doesnt matter how good you are you aint winnin shit in the long run bc almost half the winnings of an avg hand are going to the house...oh yea then they want a TIP

most casinos rake 10% to a max of $4... which is very reasonable.. especially when you consider most sports betting is 10%, horses range from 12-30%, lottery is 50%...

I'm not being a dick when I say maybe you just aren't that good at poker and the limit isn't the problem?

[sq764]

I think its pretty well documented that if you are serious about making money at live poker long term you need to be at 10/20 or higher because of the rake.

where is this documented? I would like to see this... MOST legit casinos will rake 10% with a cap of $5 (or $4+$1 for pots over $20)

if a 10% rake makes the difference between you making money than not making money, then you weren't making money in the first place..

[LVHerbie]

I know a few people who make their living playing 1/2. I don't know how good of a living it is, but that's what they do. The rake at the casino is reasonable though and they also had/have online accounts.

Specifically what I meant was I couldn't imagine doing it live daily for 12 hours a day without something to break up that routine (such as online poker)... Thinking about it again I realize I was projecting some my personal prejudices from multitabling online onto the idea (where if get bored you likely aren't playing enough tables and you just open up some more up)...

While someone probably has maintained that pace of live play at low stakes for a long time I'm still going to question how the 40k was arrived at as I've got to think at some point you either move up in stakes or start getting jealous of quality of life of people who choose to work similar schedules while getting paid actual wages...

[bettilimbroke999]

most casinos rake 10% to a max of $4... which is very reasonable.. especially when you consider most sports betting is 10%, horses range from 12-30%, lottery is 50%...

I'm not being a dick when I say maybe you just aren't that good at poker and the limit isn't the problem?

Most casinos I've played at rake a max of 5 PLUS take 1 for the bad beat pool for a total of 6 this shit about it being 10% is a fuckin joke bc the dealers just grab money out on the fly and ALWAYS make their error in the houses favor so that they can just get that 5 bucks in the til and not have to have their hand in the middle anymore, lets say 35 bucks is in there do I take 4 and put back 50 cents **** NO, you take 5 and be done with it. Look you can criticize my poker play all day long, maybe I suck who knows, but that's not what Im talkin about. Im here to talk about whether taking 6 bucks out of a 30 pot where nearly half of it was your money to begin with then the dealer expecting a tip on top of that makes it a waste of time, that's the equivalent of -120 sides in sports gambling and yes sports gambling would be a waste of time with -120 on both sides, its pretty much a waste of time with -110 on both sides already (sure sure lets criticize my handicapping skills instead and let me know how you're a pro that rapes -110 lines and blah blah blah) but theres a reason pinny offers -104 with huge limits on both sides and 5dimes has reduced juice -105 bc thats all they need to get your money

[FourLengthsClear]

most casinos rake 10% to a max of $4... which is very reasonable.. especially when you consider most sports betting is 10%, horses range from 12-30%, lottery is 50%...

I'm not being a dick when I say maybe you just aren't that good at poker and the limit isn't the problem?

10% in sportsbetting would be the equivalent of -122 lines.

[bettilimbroke999]

Specifically what I meant was I couldn't imagine doing it live daily for 12 hours a day without something to break up that routine (such as online poker)... Thinking about it again I realize I was projecting some my personal prejudices from multitabling online onto the idea (where if get bored you likely aren't playing enough tables and you just open up some more up)...

While someone probably has maintained that pace of live play at low stakes for a long time I'm still going to question how the 40k was arrived at as I've got to think at some point you either move up in stakes or start getting jealous of quality of life of people who choose to work similar schedules while getting paid actual wages...

Agreed, if you're putting in 90 hours a week why would you want the stress of the ups and downs of poker

Lets say you got a 10 buck an hour job well thats 400 + 750 OT = 1150 a week * 52 = nearly 60k a year guaranteed and if you're working 90 hours a week they're prolly gonna be amazed you work yourself to death and give ya a buck or 2 raise or make you manager. 40k for 90 hours a week all year long poker would be like minimum wage job and I still dont think 40k could be pulled off given 20% rake at 1/2 but who the **** would try when they could just apply at McDs and guarantee 40k workin that much

Moral of the story: We got some serious fuckin clowns that won a couple grand one week playin 1/2 when they got hit by the deck and just expanded that out for the year to give us what their yearly income would be

[Darkside Magick]

too many folk embellish the truth in this forum...you can make 200 maybe 300 a day on friday and saturday playing 1/2 nl but all this i make 40k playing 1/2 nl is hogwash to me.

[bettilimbroke999]

10% in sportsbetting would be the equivalent of -122 lines.

Wow man I never thought about that with all these clowns distracting me by tellin me how many 10s of thousands they make per year at 1/2 but you're right

Think about it like this

I put in 22 bucks and you call the 22 bucks and we check it down, at sports betting the winner would get 42 back at -110

At the casino the winner gets back 44-6 (5 rake + 1 bad beat) = 38 for a line of -131 and then they gotta deal with the dealer pushin that 38 dollar pot their way expecting a tip

Yea Im sure these fools are making a fortune at 1/2

[Kaladarus]

Move to Canada. Pay less rake.

[bettilimbroke999]

Move to Canada. Pay less rake.

Even at 3 buck rake it sucks, 11 in for me 11 in for you , Sportsbet -110 winner gets 21, Canada casino winner gets back 19 in US of course youd only get back 17 for a 6 dollar profit on an 11 dollar bet fuckin like bettin almost -200 , oh yea dont forget to tip ur dealer. Just a waste of time to play 1/2

[sq764]

Most casinos I've played at rake a max of 5 PLUS take 1 for the bad beat pool for a total of 6 this shit about it being 10% is a fuckin joke bc the dealers just grab money out on the fly and ALWAYS make their error in the houses favor so that they can just get that 5 bucks in the til and not have to have their hand in the middle anymore, lets say 35 bucks is in there do I take 4 and put back 50 cents **** NO, you take 5 and be done with it. Look you can criticize my poker play all day long, maybe I suck who knows, but that's not what Im talkin about. Im here to talk about whether taking 6 bucks out of a 30 pot where nearly half of it was your money to begin with then the dealer expecting a tip on top of that makes it a waste of time, that's the equivalent of -120 sides in sports gambling and yes sports gambling would be a waste of time with -120 on both sides, its pretty much a waste of time with -110 on both sides already (sure sure lets criticize my handicapping skills instead and let me know how you're a pro that rapes -110 lines and blah blah blah) but theres a reason pinny offers -104 with huge limits on both sides and 5dimes has reduced juice -105 bc thats all they need to get your money

2 quick comments.. 1) if you hate the ridiculous rake at this casino, don't play there... 2) I know several 1/2 players that make a nice 2nd income playing at the local casino 3-4 nights a week.. (and the rake is 10% like most casinos)

[sq764]

Wow man I never thought about that with all these clowns distracting me by tellin me how many 10s of thousands they make per year at 1/2 but you're right

Think about it like this

I put in 22 bucks and you call the 22 bucks and we check it down, at sports betting the winner would get 42 back at -110

At the casino the winner gets back 44-6 (5 rake + 1 bad beat) = 38 for a line of -131 and then they gotta deal with the dealer pushin that 38 dollar pot their way expecting a tip

Yea Im sure these fools are making a fortune at 1/2

you're starting to sound like a bitter loser berating everyone that is trying to explain you CAN WIN and make a nice profit at 1/2... my advice is if you really want to become a winning player, stop whining and get better... the rake will bother you much less if you're winning, trust me

and one other piece of advice, 95% of casinos charge 10% rake, find one..

[sq764]

By the way, just as an example, borgata is 10% rate (maximum $4)... so in your $11 in for 2 players scenario (which is assuming 8 other players folded preflop and you and this player were small and big, which NEVER happens).. the rake would be $2.20..

conversely say an action flop comes and 2 players all in for $120 each, total of $240, the rake would be $4 (or 1.6% if you're counting)...