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  • pavyracer
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 04-12-07
    • 82862

    #1
    Why soccer will never make it to the US


    Felipe Fernández-Armesto considers why soccer will never score highly in the US


    The English, with good grace, and even some enthusiasm, stand by while other people's teams enjoy a major soccer tournament without them. For the media, the spectacle raises the problem of why the English are so bad at sports they invented. For academics, a more interesting problem is: why do some games "travel"? Why do some sports, which are viscerally cultural forms of behaviour, transcend national frontiers while others remain interesting and intelligible only to the descendants of the people who devised them? And what sets limits to their diffusion? Association Football has almost conquered the world, but the US remains so indifferent to its magic that when I am in Boston I feel bereft of all the charming chatter about the tactics, the transfers and the managerial merry-go-round that fills so many pages in European newspapers every day.
    Soccer is the most dazzling case and the most appealing, in an academic sense, to Times Higher Education readers, as, like the British Empire, it was one of the many blessings and curses that English educational institutions have given the world. The rules, which evolved as a blend of practices peculiar to a handful of public schools, were first formulated at the University of Cambridge. Other games, such as tennis, which the French claim as their invention, or golf, the invention of which is disputed between the Scots and the Chinese, may be played in more countries. But soccer is more nearly universal because it galvanises more players and more spectators and overleaps boundaries of class, as well as of culture, more perfectly than any other game. How did the worldwide take-up happen?
    Some games spread inside those great arenas of cultural exchange that we call empires. But soccer is not one of them. With few exceptions, only countries with a British imperial past play cricket and rugby football to a high standard. Like the taste for English food, enthusiasm for cricket and rugger seems to benefit from reinforcement by coercion. Some imperial implants thrive in the corners of foreign fields, but never get much further. I have read that there is still a diocese in South Africa where football is played according to the rules of the Winchester College game, because the place had an old Wykehamist bishop some time in the 19th century. Although "baseboru" started in Japan not later than the 1920s, US occupation turned baseball into something like a national sport. Soccer, however, was hardly more popular inside the British Empire than outside it - perhaps less so, as in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa other football codes outstripped it in popularity. Meanwhile, the great enemies of the British Empire, the Germans, took it up with embarrassing dedication.
    Trade is a vector of every form of cultural exchange and we might expect soccer to have travelled with it. The English were the most travelled merchants - indeed, the great business imperialists - of the 19th and early 20th centuries and many of the founders of soccer clubs in odd parts of the world were displaced English businessmen. Brazil still has its Corinthians, though they are distressingly professional, Uruguay its Wanderers and Chile its Rangers. Tennis arrived in the US as a commercial venture in the promotion of English-manufactured rackets and nets. But since the English were incredibly fecund in the invention of games in the 19th century, the reach of English commerce cannot explain the diffusion of soccer in particular.

    Migration transplants culture, and migrants have, for example, taken the many games of Basque invention throughout the Hispanic world, but not much farther. Cricket is now played all over the US - or at least wherever there are south Asian immigrant communities. But soccer is played where there are no migrants or descendants of migrants to nurture it. Educational institutions can be effective nurseries: students from Canada took basketball and lacrosse to the US. Spaniards educated in England helped promote the beginnings of rugby at Madrid University.
    Global soccer seems to defy institutional or cultural explanation. The only conclusion - disappointingly unacademic as it seems - is that people play it and watch it because they like it.
    Today, thanks to promotion by the media, globalisation is making almost every game universal. I cannot imagine huge popularity ever attending shinty in Italy, the Eton field game in Iowa or sumo in France. Birmingham's Bullring will, I suspect, remain a shopping centre. But we have already seen American football in London, the Netherlands in a major cricket tournament, world-class rugby from Georgia, and Switzerland winning the America's Cup. Jamaica, as the calypso reminds us, has had a bobsleigh team.
    So why is the US almost uniquely perverse in resisting the spectacle of soccer? The playing bug has bitten North America late, but has infective effect. The continued resistance of the spectator public has, I think, nothing to do with the game or with the usual complaints about low score lines. But American football is ideal for commercial television because of the many boring time-outs that broadcasters fill with advertising. If soccer became popular, the economy would suffer and the media tycoons would suffer most.
    Felipe Fernández-Armesto is Prince of Asturias professor of history at Tufts University in the US.
  • Dark Horse
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-14-05
    • 13764

    #2
    It's all about the money, and conditioning of the public.

    Sports have either room for commercials or they don't. The big three in the US do. That is why soccer and hockey will always be second tier sports in the US, with zero hope of reaching the first tier. What good are those breaks in the action when they're long enough for people to go for a walk? A quick dash to the fridge, that is all that should be permitted!

    There is no way in the world that basketball is a more interesting sport than soccer, but you can certainly make it seem that way by exposing the public to a steady diet (of what a ref-interfered sport looks like). And baseball? More exciting than hockey??
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    • mathdotcom
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 03-24-08
      • 11689

      #3
      The answer is simple.

      We look down on soccer because of the diving. It's pathetic. And soccer players think they're the toughest athletes around. I'd like to see them get hit by a 95mph fastball or tackled by a 400lb football player or leveled by Scott Stevens (hockey).
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      • Dark Horse
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 12-14-05
        • 13764

        #4
        There is more diving in basketball. And it is FAR more decisive in basketball.

        Go live in Europe for a while. It might wake you up from that media-induced hypnosis.
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        • pavyracer
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 04-12-07
          • 82862

          #5
          I think Wes Walker of the Patriots said once he thanks soccer for his ability to elude opposing defenses. If you want to compare football with soccer you have to compare it only with wide receivers which get the least contact.

          Do you think Ronaldo or Arshavin need to worry about getting hit by Junior Seau when they can dribble around him or between his legs in no time?
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          • RealSlimShady
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 12-24-07
            • 6249

            #6
            1. No room for commercials.

            2. In general, Americans are very interested in statistics when it comes to sports. No one cares about assists in soccer, except in America. Soccer is not a sport that can be broken down into stats like baseball.
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            • mathdotcom
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 03-24-08
              • 11689

              #7
              Originally posted by Dark Horse
              There is more diving in basketball. And it is FAR more decisive in basketball.

              Go live in Europe for a while. It might wake you up from that media-induced hypnosis.
              I don't follow basketball, but at least when I see guys fouled (or not), they may fall but they don't have this look of horror on their faces and hold their legs in a gruesome look of agony. Oh, and then in 3 secs they get up and are running fine again.

              More decisive in basketball? What about a dive in the box that yields a penalty shot?
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              • mathdotcom
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 03-24-08
                • 11689

                #8
                Some people deny this occurs. Others call it 'part of the game'.

                If it's a 'part of the game' (fooling the ref), then that's proof it's the lamest game on Earth.

                If I was Deuce's friend, and he was playing for the Wings, I'd never let him hear the end of it if video replay showed him diving. It's embarrassing in hockey. That's why Europeans are the worst divers in hockey. If this incident occurred in Europe, I'd pat Deuce on the back.
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                • pavyracer
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 04-12-07
                  • 82862

                  #9
                  Mathdotcom,

                  How many times do you see bogus pass interference calls in football? Or stupid hitting the QB calls on a sack when it is obvious the QB is not hurt but the look of agony on his face earns him the bogus 15 yard penalty? Or roughing the punter? Isn't it fake most of the times?
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                  • mathdotcom
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 03-24-08
                    • 11689

                    #10
                    Not every 30seconds, pavy, and the players do not blatantly embellish it.

                    In soccer they do it blatantly in the ref's face. They look like they're about to die and then get up in two seconds. Why don't they get red carded for that shit?
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                    • armyoflovers
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 07-26-07
                      • 714

                      #11
                      Soccer isnt big and wont be big for two reasons:

                      Because its not a traditional legacy sport that transcends generations. Back in the early to mid 1900s. football, basketball, and baseball had strangleholds, for the most part, on the sporting public. Soccer never had the brand equity over here nor the exposure as it did in other parts of world and never got a fair shot. America was a hodge podge of different cultures who wanted eschew conventionalism in every sense of the word so they went out and created there own unique sports that werent inherent to anything they knew.

                      Secondly, soccer wasnt a sport that could be properly marketed to the american consumer with spasms of action sandwiched in between oodles of commercials, although soccer has found a way to combat that by way of corporate advertisment on the facades that hug the field. Nonetheless since the sanctity of the sport couldnt be compromised by the mighty greenback american TV channels, which served as the most important conduit for sports viewership, forsaked the game.

                      There, now you have it.
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                      • Dark Horse
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 12-14-05
                        • 13764

                        #12
                        Originally posted by mathdotcom
                        I don't follow basketball, but at least when I see guys fouled (or not), they may fall but they don't have this look of horror on their faces and hold their legs in a gruesome look of agony. Oh, and then in 3 secs they get up and are running fine again.

                        More decisive in basketball? What about a dive in the box that yields a penalty shot?
                        You're characterizing soccer in a way that doesn't show knowledge of the game, in the same way that Europeans might scratch their heads at the lack of action in football games (ten seconds of action for every minute of standing around?).

                        That is not to say that diving hasn't been a problem. The diving wasn't rewarded in the last Euro 2008, so it may be on the way back down. Diving has been in fashion for a couple of decades, and it would be great if it was to disappear again.

                        Sure, a soccer pk may decide a game here and there, but flopping decides a huge number of basketball games. Players know that two more possessions, especially two in a row, can turn a close game around. The Spurs are masters at this. The margins in basketball are much smaller, and the number of calls much higher, so fooling the ref becomes much more profitable. Unlike soccer refs, who have adjusted their way of reading players, NBA refs are continuously fooled by players.

                        In any case, the main reason soccer will not make it in the US is the same one I mentioned here when Beckham was brought in: no effective way to intersperse the game with commercials. US sports are about commercials, in the same way that magazines are about advertising. Go ask any publisher. The reading material around the ads is just window dressing.
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                        • woodg8
                          SBR MVP
                          • 06-21-08
                          • 1349

                          #13
                          My take on it all. American's are brainwashed from a young age to think the America is the right way, and the sports they play are the best. It's no wonder that noone else in the world plays any of the sports in the US, apart from some of the eastern europeans playing Basketball.

                          Given this, Americans don't get to experience true passion and patriotism you can get from supporting your nation against another nation. I mean, apart from the olympics, when else can you say that America plays against the world? I find it hilarious that in baseball and nfl, the winners are the "world champions".

                          As for soccer, some of this stuff about diving puts you off, well, you're gonna get cheats and what not in every sport. They don't make up anywhere near the vast majority and it's being eradicated, slowly but surely. No sport is clean, baseball is full of steroid pumping gimps and so's the NFL.
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                          • lys3rg0
                            SBR Hustler
                            • 06-01-08
                            • 92

                            #14
                            First of all, soccer can have some ads, italians show 7-second mini-ads maybe 20 per half, when there's a goal kick or an injury.

                            Second of all, look at the demographics, hispanics are on their way to 50% of the toal US population in 2 decades. I think soccer has a chance to catch on.
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                            • Shark79
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 11-19-07
                              • 11211

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Dark Horse
                              It's all about the money, and conditioning of the public.

                              Sports have either room for commercials or they don't. The big three in the US do. That is why soccer and hockey will always be second tier sports in the US, with zero hope of reaching the first tier. What good are those breaks in the action when they're long enough for people to go for a walk? A quick dash to the fridge, that is all that should be permitted!

                              There is no way in the world that basketball is a more interesting sport than soccer, but you can certainly make it seem that way by exposing the public to a steady diet (of what a ref-interfered sport looks like). And baseball? More exciting than hockey??
                              This is the main reason ... great post DH
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                              • reno cool
                                SBR MVP
                                • 07-02-08
                                • 3567

                                #16
                                I agree with what your saying Horse and Wood. I was amazed at the level of interest in the resent European tournament though. ESPN had some pole for the best picture of the day and one involving the tournament won with 54%. The picture was nothing special but it tells me that interest in the trnmnt was high. Also regarding what sports Americans like I think we tend to like whatever the corporations say we should like. We're all susceptible to constant badgering. I mean look at golf. I almost know who Tiger Woods is.
                                bird bird da bird's da word
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                                • Shark79
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 11-19-07
                                  • 11211

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by reno cool
                                  I agree with what your saying Horse and Wood. I was amazed at the level of interest in the resent European tournament though. ESPN had some pole for the best picture of the day and one involving the tournament won with 54%. The picture was nothing special but it tells me that interest in the trnmnt was high. Also regarding what sports Americans like I think we tend to like whatever the corporations say we should like. We're all susceptible to constant badgering. I mean look at golf. I almost know who Tiger Woods is.
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                                  • pavyracer
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 04-12-07
                                    • 82862

                                    #18
                                    Regarding American ignorance: I have a civilian friend that is going to Afghanistan for assignment this weekend and when I saw him last night he said they will be going to the beach on weekends to relax in which to my astonishment I replied: "What beach? Afghanistan is landlocked!"
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                                    • Shark79
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 11-19-07
                                      • 11211

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by pavyracer
                                      Regarding American ignorance: I have a civilian friend that is going to Afghanistan for assignment this weekend and when I saw him last night he said they will be going to the beach on weekends to relax in which to my astonishment I replied: "What beach? Afghanistan is landlocked!"
                                      Ur kidding us ... I really hope u are
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                                      • reno cool
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 07-02-08
                                        • 3567

                                        #20
                                        by the way the fact that we werent able to see the hockey world championships is a crime. I'm sure the NHL could only dream of such good hockey. but since I didnt see it I can only guess
                                        bird bird da bird's da word
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                                        • pavyracer
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 04-12-07
                                          • 82862

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Shark79
                                          Ur kidding us ... I really hope u are
                                          You should be amazed how many everyday George W Bush's I meet every day. It makes sense now he was elected president twice. He is the closest thing to a typical american white boy I have ever met. Very ignorant and naive in a very innocent way.
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                                          • The Baron
                                            SBR Sharp
                                            • 10-13-07
                                            • 397

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by mathdotcom
                                            The answer is simple.

                                            We look down on soccer because of the diving. It's pathetic. And soccer players think they're the toughest athletes around. I'd like to see them get hit by a 95mph fastball or tackled by a 400lb football player or leveled by Scott Stevens (hockey).
                                            I can see by your photo that you dont get out much. Yes there is diving in soccer and yes players act more hurt than they really are to get a free kick, but you seem to think that soccer is so easy and people dont really get hurt. I want to see your fat ass run up and down the field for 90 minutes taking headbutts and kicks to the shin. I bet youd go down faster than a blonde on prom night
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                                            • pavyracer
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 04-12-07
                                              • 82862

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by The Baron
                                              I can see by your photo that you dont get out much. Yes there is diving in soccer and yes players act more hurt than they really are to get a free kick, but you seem to think that soccer is so easy and people dont really get hurt. I want to see your fat ass run up and down the field for 90 minutes taking headbutts and kicks to the shin. I bet youd go down faster than a blonde on prom night
                                              He is 5'-3" (1.59 m) 220lbs (100 kg) and can run slower than a tortoise. If he plays soccer he will ask for a sub after two min. He will roll down like an armadillo the moment you kick his shin for a tackle.
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                                              • englishmike
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 06-19-08
                                                • 5279

                                                #24
                                                'Soccer' will never take off in the US until interviews such as this are commonplace on ESPN.

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                                                • Willie Bee
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 02-14-06
                                                  • 15726

                                                  #25
                                                  Good stuff, EnglishMike. In addition to the entertainment value, it's refreshing to see any coach turn around and chew ass on one of his players. Don't see that in a lot of the top professional sports due to the fragile egos of the bazzillion dollar superstar players.
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