Sites Like SBR Dwindle in Value

[JACK MATZ]

Could care less about online books.
SBR is a great site!!

[horja1]

anyway, if something would happen to SBR, some "posters" will have to join other forums to trash people ... life would be so empty for them without that ...

[jjgold]

Man numbers strong
Business as usual
SBR poster community is a small % of what site is about and who actually uses entire site

[mikejamm]

Man numbers strong Business as usual SBR poster community is a small % of what site is about and who actually uses entire site

Yeah, keep blow'in smoke up our ass JJ! Books leaving the US market! Books slow paying or closing up shop and not paying at all! No options for US players! Black Friday poker crash! SBR unaware or uninformed about bullshit like BetJamaica suddenly bolting! Yeah, keep telling yourself, everything is fine, all is well, don't be alarmed, sbr would never jeopardize it's pro members by not telling them what the fuk is really going on! Hang on to your wet dream bud!

[jjgold]

The sky is falling..the sky is falling

same song 10 years ago

sky getting bigger and bigger

no good books ever stiffed

stop confusing leaving usa market as stiffing dumbos

[Cap dat 4ss]

SBR will be fine. SBR is in a much better position than the US bettors. For US bettors using offshore as their bookie the sky really is falling. And most Americans are narcissistic so they assume the sky is falling everywhere else as well.

Recap for the ADD Americans
1.) Sky is falling for you
2.) SBR will be fine
2.) All non US bettors will be fine

[pavyracer]

How is SBR going to be fine if they can't get income from 50% or more of their customers? That's like saying Toyota will be fine if they can't sell cars in the US anymore.

[jjgold]

Paver settle down today, take a walk and them comeback tonight refreshed
Damage control complete
we were prepared

Paver you could be a good company man

[daneblazer]

I'm going to order about 6 pizzas today and freeze them. Gotta use these points while they are still good.

[no1here]

it is not business as usual and then you say 'we were prepared' which is also false!

Man numbers strong Business as usual SBR poster community is a small % of what site is about and who actually uses entire site

[THEGREAT30]

SBR will come up with some gimmick to get you to post up into these second rate book and keep traffic at a high enough rate to keep there pockets swell. Will it all be BS? Yes. Will it work, maybe.

[daimoshokage]

JJ is the heart and soul of sbr.. fukk the books.. as long as sbr have JJ everything will be fine..

[Roadtrip635]

Walker called me again

He said to me very strongly

Business as usually JJ in a real strong tone and he seemed angry

[nosniboR11]

you fukkin drunk Yeh ok the $100 they might lose Business as usual Man you guys have no clue There could be no books and people would be here and site would be busier than ever you just do not get it

JJ its not funny, you have made a mistake here, a big mistake and trust me if there were no books this place would lose half the posters overnight. Second, this is the last warning keep up your business as usual shit and see what happens in the end.

The cockiness of jjgold and shari here is unbelievable. Good Luck being employed by SBR 2 years from now. If you think SBR can survive without US posters, then you guys are bigger idiots than I initially thought.

I agree 100% , they seem to think that it will do awesome with out USA players, just take PartyPoker for example, now what happened to them after losing there entire USA bankrolls, hmmmm, but whatever in the end if we are wrong , we can say we are wrong and simply apologize, IF JJ AND SBR ARE WRONG , WE WILL HOLD YOU RESPONSIBLE , PERIOD

[doublej95]

JJ its not funny, you have made a mistake here, a big mistake and trust me if there were no books this place would lose half the posters overnight. Second, this is the last warning keep up your business as usual shit and see what happens in the end.



I agree 100% , they seem to think that it will do awesome with out USA players, just take PartyPoker for example, now what happened to them after losing there entire USA bankrolls, hmmmm, but whatever in the end if we are wrong , we can say we are wrong and simply apologize, IF JJ AND SBR ARE WRONG , WE WILL HOLD YOU RESPONSIBLE , PERIOD

Doesn't jj realize that people will turn on him for his business as usual bullcrap when business is not usual. The players advocate is leading the sheep to the slaughter.

[ACoochy]

How is SBR going to be fine if they can't get income from 50% or more of their customers? That's like saying Toyota will be fine if they can't sell cars in the US anymore.

One of the things ive learnt on this site is to fade JJ and hearing him tout the viability of the industry simply makes me more sure that trouble is brewing. And whoever says that SBR wont survive without US players really is simple minded and need to take a step outside of their own country to see reality.

[noober]

Good for SBR that half of their customers are not American.

[jjgold]

Not worried here,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I actually have another video to be released showing what goes on in a crisis

calm and collective

[pavyracer]

One of the things ive learnt on this site is to fade JJ and hearing him tout the viability of the industry simply makes me more sure that trouble is brewing. And whoever says that SBR wont survive without US players really is simple minded and need to take a step outside of their own country to see reality.

Here is the problem though. The majority of non-US posters (like yourself) are not square and figured out how to make money. SBR makes money when posters lose. So how is SBR going to attract the square non-US posters to make money now that the US poster business is practically dead? Will they hire an Aussie JJ lookalike? A German JJ lookalike to flock the sheep?

[hubie69]

SBR Worldwide now

Its just not a usa site anymore

man some of you guys are fukkin dumb

SBR might be world wide, but what % of your traffic comes from the US? Clearly the US market for online books will be toast shortly. .....Thanks government

[arwar]

so when did theGreek and BetJamaica pull out of US? I guess FiveDimes is still in? I remember a few years back one of our locals printed some bumper stickers:

Support your local bookie - vote NO on parimutual-betting

a serious player can just move to Costa Rica or Belize or whatever - not the worst thing that ever could happen.

[pavyracer]

so when did theGreek and BetJamaica pull out of US? I guess FiveDimes is still in? I remember a few years back one of our locals printed some bumper stickers:

Support your local bookie - vote NO on parimutual-betting

a serious player can just move to Costa Rica or Belize or whatever - not the worst thing that ever could happen.

Can you bet at offshore books if you are a resident of Costa Rica? I don't think they take local customers. I may be wrong though.

[cala56]

I love to live outside usa.

[hubie69]

Here is the breakdown

United States 43.2%
Russia 6.2%
Canada 6.2%
India 5.5%
Costa Rica 5.1%
China 3.4%
United Kingdom 2.6%
Germany 2.5%
Sweden 2.5%
Philippines 2.0%

Interesting that shari/JJ haven't commented on these numbers outside of "Business as Usual" and "We Planned for this" and "JJGold: I love you Shari!!"

[doublej95]

Seems like me and Pavy are some of the few that get it. The US player is what drives this place. Its just like the world economy revolves around the United States. When we are down the whole world is down.

[SBR_John]

Folks said the same, in fact some of the same folks, when Neteller pulled out and SBR lost 3/4's of its sales. Despite the bumps I think this will be a pretty good year. No way this will be anywhere near the catastrophe of losing Neteller in 07-08 and the pullouts of Pinny, VIP, Bowmans, Bet365, WWTS and others.

This is a tough business but every business is tough. If it was easy I guess everyone would be doing it. One can cower or one can take advantage of weakened competition and the lack of new entrants into the field. Kind of like poker, play your hand best you can.

[shari91]

Interesting that shari/JJ haven't commented on these numbers outside of "Business as Usual" and "We Planned for this" and "JJGold: I love you Shari!!"

I did comment if you look through this thread. I said I apologised for saying forum traffic was split 50/50 between the US and the rest of the world when those numbers show Americans don't even comprise half of SBR's posters.

[hubie69]

I did comment if you look through this thread. I said I apologised for saying forum traffic was split 50/50 between the US and the rest of the world when those numbers show Americans don't even comprise half of SBR's posters.

sorry shari, I'm not against you, moreso looking for what you think on those #'s in respect to *if* online betting goes by the wayside in the US, which is VERY likely to happen in the US. I saw you commented on it, looking for more substance

[hubie69]

sorry shari, I'm not against you, moreso looking for what you think on those #'s in respect to *if* online betting goes by the wayside in the US, which is VERY likely to happen in the US. I saw you commented on it, looking for more substance

And crickets..

[pavyracer]

I did comment if you look through this thread. I said I apologised for saying forum traffic was split 50/50 between the US and the rest of the world when those numbers show Americans don't even comprise half of SBR's posters.

I'm not worried about the traffic. SBR will get plenty of traffic from the US posters. You don't need a balance offshore to post at SBR. No one says that SBR will suffer with traffic. There are enough buffoons here to keep the posters interested. But how long can it survive on traffic alone? Will SBR become the MySpace of social networking in a few years or will it become the Facebook?

[shari91]

And crickets..

Or maybe doing things other than refreshing this thread every 10 minutes

My perspective is different than yours and it should be. I'm not currently living in the States and since I became an employee here, I've had the chance to learn more about what SBR actually entails other than just what people see on the forum. So really, my opinion counts for even less than it normally does as I'm basing it on a different set of info. But since you asked and you somehow have the impression that I was avoiding you which I'd never intentionally do: Pavy has already touched on what I think would happen if in the worst case scenario every offshore book for US bettors disappeared (which I also don't think will happen as long as there's guys like Tony around). Between books that don't even allow US bettors yet are still major SBR sponsors, non US posters continuing to deposit at books (and not just posters per se; there are many people who don't feel comfortable posting on the forum because of the language barrier yet visit the forum, SBROdds, the SBR sportsbook and sportsbookreview.com), the SBR Sportsbook (which I imagine would only become even more active amongst US gamblers), those who bet solely with locals or live in Vegas and yet still come here daily and the social aspect of the site (which keeps people returning here even after they've stated they're broke; feel uncomfortable depositing offshore so they only gamble points; are just learning to gamble now, etc), I feel SBR would do just fine.

Of that 43% American traffic number, what % of those people do you think even have funded offshore accounts, let alone accounts made through an SBR link? Considering the number of ghost accounts that people try to make, the number of people who say they're broke/have quit gambling/solely use locals/have never gambled before and are testing the water with points, etc... I think even saying 50% would be a massive stretch. Which leads me to conclude that SBR obviously has a revenue model that isn't highly reliant on American posters depositing money offshore.

So yeah, I don't think the end is near for SBR by any means. I can see why some may think that because I assume if I only based my judgement on what I saw of who the most vocal posters were in PT, then I'd think without the US SBR would be sunk. But that's just not the case. Gambling is massive across the world. I've said repeatedly that I've never been surrounded by more degenerate gamblers than I have living here in Australia. After that was when I was living in the UK. And everyone is well aware of how much Asians love to gamble. Look at the top of the page and see the non US books up there. They're willing to pay good rates to advertise here for a reason.

[Wulfman14]

i dunno how much of an impact americans not playing offshore as much will have on sbr. but i have talked with several reps on live chat at books and they say they love american players cuz they are the most wreckless with their deposits. they say international bettors are much more smarter with their funds and make many more withdrawals. again i dunno how true this is but two different people at bet phoenix and the late bet jamaica have told me this.

[pavyracer]

i dunno how much of an impact americans not playing offshore as much will have on sbr. but i have talked with several reps on live chat at books and they say they love american players cuz they are the most wreckless with their deposits. they say international bettors are much more smarter with their funds and make many more withdrawals. again i dunno how true this is but two different people at bet phoenix and the late bet jamaica have told me this.

bingo!

All the international posters usually cash out with profit from books. American posters bet their home teams regardless of odds or juice. That's why offshore books love them.

[jjgold]

Paver we like our position

Your actually in one of my upcoming vids..you shall see why

Best of Luck Stavros

[hawkwind]

SBR Da BOMB