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  • Bill Dozer
    www.twitter.com/BillDozer
    • 07-12-05
    • 10894

    #1
    Sports Betting: Safer than stocks?
    Good topic in the latest SBR Feature piece. Market investors, which is the riskier venture?

    Sports Betting: Safer than stocks?
    By: Elihu Feustel



    You will often hear comparisons between sports betting and playing the stock market. But just how similar or different are the two and more importantly, is either one the safer bet?
    If you spend any time at all watching CNBC or any other financial channel, you will constantly see bad gambling advice. “Trade your way to riches!” “Want to make money? Backtest, backtest, backtest!” “Double your money with these hot picks!”

    There sure are a lot of people who want me to make money. It reminded me of all the touts offering you the “game of the year” or a “super money system”.

    There are a lot of similarities between the stock market and sports betting. The insiders and bookies/brokerages make most of the money. People blindly throw money at both, and hope they end up with more. With hard work and a little luck, you can win at either.

    There are a few key differences though. Most importantly, the information in sports is much more available than in stocks. Does Peyton Manning have a sore back? What is Ben Sheets' ERA for the last three games? How many aces did Roger Federer have in his last match? You can find it in 30 seconds.

    Not only is the information easily available, it is almost always accurate. Injury reporting is tightly regulated. The leagues track minutia with impeccable precision. When I bet on a team, I know the risks. I’ll win or lose, and usually due to players or events you expect. There are surprises, but even the worst beats don’t leave you scratching your head asking, "What the hell is this?"

    Unfortunately, the information on stocks is much murkier and often simply wrong. It’s almost impossible to tell what a company is worth. While most companies do not blatantly “cook the books,” they do play games. There are all kinds of accounting manipulation, so that stocks are not what they appear. How much is a bad loan worth?

    The answer is...it depends.

    Astoria Financial made $38 million in bad loans “disappear” overnight. They did this by reclassifying loans in default for two months from “troubled” to “healthy.” Sadly, the Astoria game is not an isolated incident; just look at the recent Bear Stearns fiasco. The financial reports provide little guidance, and often misstate reality.

    The stock market should take a lesson from the sports world and become more transparent. Until that time, I’d rather keep betting on sports than an accountant’s honesty.

    Which is the riskier investment?
  • topgame85
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 03-30-08
    • 12325

    #2
    It absolutely depends on what type of stock investor you are if you are chasing a fortune sports betting is better if you invest in solid companies looking for small profit stocks are the way to go
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    • bigboydan
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 08-10-05
      • 55420

      #3
      Originally posted by topgame85
      It absolutely depends on what type of stock investor you are if you are chasing a fortune sports betting is better if you invest in solid companies looking for small profit stocks are the way to go
      I was basically going to say the same thing in regards to sticking with blue chip type stocks. I mean thats about as safe as you can probably get no matter which side you took in this type of debate IMHOO.
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      • Bet Shooter
        SBR MVP
        • 05-02-08
        • 1118

        #4
        Stocks are a better investment.

        If you want to do as little homework as possible then invest in an index fund at Vanguard. Be in it for the long haul and you will do just fine.

        Don't be fooled by the glossy literature that other places offer. It's a sales game just like anything else. It's the same as Cris vs SBG. One is solid, the other is a sales job that sells you on the IDEA that they are good.

        If you like to do your home work: Best advice that I can give is to invest in small cap stocks priced under $10 with LOW debt and LOTS of cash. Proven method for years. You also need to be in this for the long haul. Good Luck
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        • capitalist pig
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 01-25-07
          • 5001

          #5
          IMO, the markets are safer, and there isnt the legal issues of moving large amounts of money around. Also IMO Blue Chips arent safe at this time either, look at GE as an example, 6 year low as of yesterday, there are alot of DOW 30 sitting at multi year lows right now.

          I was posting my 08 trades in Rage Wizzards market threads, and after posting 9-0 winning trades in 08. I decided last month to quit posting them for a lack of interest here. Id like to see a market forum here for posting trades if there is an interest.

          later
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          • sofun
            SBR Sharp
            • 05-22-08
            • 361

            #6
            I prefer sports more than any other stock at this right, I use to trade a lot before, but now, no more, I feel like I am stupid and idiot to keep trading because we are all behind 15 to 20 minutes behind the good news and bad news, all the fuc**king big guys know things in advance and we are the one the get hit.
            so sports is #1, stock is #10 to me
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            • jjgold
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 07-20-05
              • 388208

              #7
              If you stick with big companies eventually you will turn a profit, with sports it does not work that way, stocks your never dead if you hold. Stocks are way safer.
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              • BrentCrude
                SBR MVP
                • 11-16-05
                • 4665

                #8
                Did anyone see the list of stocks that were blue chip awhile back where a guy compared the investment return on empty beer cans as a better investment.By that he meant that you paid for the beer as you would a stock and the return from selling the cans was better than the return on selling the stock.I wish I could find that story and list of stocks.Then to boot you at least got the enjoyment of drinking the beer.
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                • purecarnagge
                  SBR MVP
                  • 10-05-07
                  • 4843

                  #9
                  Originally posted by capitalist pig
                  IMO, the markets are safer, and there isnt the legal issues of moving large amounts of money around. Also IMO Blue Chips arent safe at this time either, look at GE as an example, 6 year low as of yesterday, there are alot of DOW 30 sitting at multi year lows right now.

                  I was posting my 08 trades in Rage Wizzards market threads, and after posting 9-0 winning trades in 08. I decided last month to quit posting them for a lack of interest here. Id like to see a market forum here for posting trades if there is an interest.

                  later
                  I actually tried to understand you and rage talking, but basically if your going to post something...

                  just post in layman terms. I don't know the indexs the blah balhb al abreviations and terms. Just say what your doing why your doing it and where your in at, and why you think its a good deal and how long your willing to wait before you get out.

                  PS **** stock is what I'm on right now.
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                  • 69882000
                    Restricted User
                    • 03-05-08
                    • 935

                    #10
                    Stock market is also considered gambling. But....There is more of a social stigma on "gambling" (Games of chance) to make ends meet than playing the stock market IMO. I think I'll stick with sports betting for now.
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                    • RageWizard
                      SBR MVP
                      • 09-01-06
                      • 3008

                      #11
                      It all depends on your handicapping of the game. I invest in the NFL and Stock Market. In the NFL I don't use touts,(not that you could tell from last year's amazing record loss) and in the stock market, I don't listen to touts either on CNBC. All in all, I like the stock market better because I get to decide when the game starts and ends for the most part.( unless you have bear sterns) Plus it is always in season. It is just two different sports to me.
                      If I had to say which one is shiftier, it would be the stock market. There are alot of crooked people in the market and you can't trust any company reports anymore in my opinion. Just follow the money around on the charts and you should do O.K.
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                      • youngsc
                        Restricted User
                        • 06-10-08
                        • 212

                        #12
                        Information is more readily available with sports than stocks for sure. The one major difference is if a stock starts to head south you can at least sell it to cut your losses a little, you can't call up your bookie in the bottom of the 9th and take some off. I think that given the lack of info in the markets it's a ride no matter what you do and if your in it just sit back, buckle up and hold on cause it can get bumpy no matter what directio you go.
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                        • WileOut
                          SBR MVP
                          • 02-04-07
                          • 3844

                          #13
                          All stocks small through large cap have a 10% historical average return.

                          If you dont know much about stock investing and want your money to grow, the best thing to do is to invest in the S&P 500 index fund from Vanguard. Its obviously extremely diversified and they dont have as much turnover as the average mutual fund so less fees. It beats out most mutual funds over time. If you dont have much knowledge in investing, stay away from so called hot stocks and things like that. Put your money into the S&P and collect your 8-12% yearly return after 30 or 40 years.

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                          • WileOut
                            SBR MVP
                            • 02-04-07
                            • 3844

                            #14
                            Originally posted by youngsc
                            The one major difference is if a stock starts to head south you can at least sell it to cut your losses a little, you can't call up your bookie in the bottom of the 9th and take some off.
                            Although very few games are put up for live betting, it allows you to buy and sell throughout the game. Everyday there is usually at least one game on. During football and baskeball season there is usually more. You can cut your losses or do whatever you feel is best. See WSEX, matchbook, and tradsports if you are a US citizen. If not you have even more options.

                            Also the long term markets at places like tradesports and WSEX lets you buy and sell over the course of the season.
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                            • youngsc
                              Restricted User
                              • 06-10-08
                              • 212

                              #15
                              Originally posted by WileOut
                              Although very few games are put up for live betting, it allows you to buy and sell throughout the game. Everyday there is usually at least one game on. During football and baskeball season there is usually more. You can cut your losses or do whatever you feel is best. See WSEX, matchbook, and tradsports if you are a US citizen. If not you have even more options.

                              Also the long term markets at places like tradesports and WSEX lets you buy and sell over the course of the season.
                              Thanks I forgot about those options. I am using a lesser grade book right that doesn't have much in the way of in game betting I'll have to check out the ones you mentioned since I am in the US I just can't seem to get them funded in any way is my main problem.
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