Paying American Players at SBR

[katstale]

As soon as SBR decides what they will pay for their points via NT and/or MB, I might be in the business of paying American posters. It would work something like this: American posters send me points in 1k blocks. I would pay you like $30 cash. Would be paid via check or paypal.

Of course SBRJohn or JJ could nix this plan, but it would be an alternative so the USA folks who really want cash can get paid and keep SBR safe from big brother.

[doublej95]

I'm going out on a limb here and saying your idea will get nixed.

[Deuce]

$30USD is 1k points now?

[excel]

id rather buy a 50$ amazon gift card for 1k and resell that for at least 40-45$.

[killawookie]

They aren't going to let you do that for one huge obvious reason. They would do it themselves if it wasn't illegal. Whether they sell US player the points or a member does .. it's the same thing that would get the site in trouble. 1000 point could get someone 6 pizza DELIVERED with TIP ... worth well over 60 for pizzas, 15 for delivery fee, and 15 for tip ...

[katstale]

Some people need cash, guys, not pizzas. It is illegal for SBR to do it, but not for me. Big difference. It could be more than $30 for 1k points--I need to see what SBR pays for the points. Got to be something in it for the middle man. SBR does not have to "approve", just turn a blind eye.

I could be open for business very soon. PM me if you are interested in being a future customer.

[doublej95]

its against SBR rules katstale.

[borednaz]

Kats,
I love the spirit of your enterprise. Very well played sir. However I think you have this wrong, you would of made far more cash by offering to Buy Points at a slight increase in cost for US Players.

[saints7011]

katstale , their are a few posters already going to do this...

they are smart enough not to advertise it though...




dulas

[shari91]

Of course SBRJohn or JJ could nix this plan

Considering it violates SBR's guidelines listed in the FAQ's and if you're caught doing this you'll be banned, I'd suggest that this may not be a great idea.

[Carseller4]

Considering it violates SBR's guidelines listed in the FAQ's and if you're caught doing this you'll be banned, I'd suggest that this may not be a great idea.

Yes, but SBR would be violating their own guidelines also.

[shari91]

Yes, but SBR would be violating their own guidelines also.

How would a forum violate it's own guidelines? The rules state posters can't conduct points transactions for money. They don't state SBR itself can't conduct points transactions with non US posters for money.

[iifold]

Shari,

When are we gonna do it?

[milwaukee mike]

is there a single u.s. poster that is happier with sbr than they were a year ago?
since then:
1) $200 deposits to be "pro"
2) no sportsbook cash/freeplays in the store
3) foreign players being treated better for poker tourneys (ryder cup)/points/etc
4) bash moved to a foreign country
5) contest/poker winnings now need to be rolled over
etc etc etc

this place is still great, but it's getting less so by the day

[lolguy999]

so at this rate you want an ipad for 8 x 30 = 240$s right?

[soxwin1917]

is there a single u.s. poster that is happier with sbr than they were a year ago? since then: 1) $200 deposits to be "pro" 2) no sportsbook cash/freeplays in the store 3) foreign players being treated better for poker tourneys (ryder cup)/points/etc 4) bash moved to a foreign country 5) contest/poker winnings now need to be rolled over etc etc etc this place is still great, but it's getting less so by the day

How much do you pay to be a part of this forum? Exactly. So stop whining.

[iceminers26]

How much do you pay to be a part of this forum? Exactly. So stop whining.

the posters are the bettors that fund the books that pay to advertise here....therefore SBR would not be what it is today without all the posters that contribute on a daily basis... so posters do pay, whether it be monetary through a deposit to a said sponsored book, time and energy to post, etc.

[katstale]

Considering it violates SBR's guidelines listed in the FAQ's and if you're caught doing this you'll be banned, I'd suggest that this may not be a great idea.

Shari, I think a little research will reveal that i am a long time poster who is revered by many on this site. Those who would seek to honor me with tribute in 1k blocks would just be paying me just homage.

Having said that, I would be shocked that John would want to ban me for accepting tribute. What i did with the points which were freely given to me would be my business i imagine. Let it be known to my subjects who wish to pay tribute--i am a benevolent dictator.

I will ask John in person in august if i can set up my own kingdom.

[pavyracer]

You have to offer at least $75 per 1000 points.

[JoeVig]

I didn't see anything in the points FAQ restricting this?

http://store.sbrforum.com/points/faq/

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Your conversion rate = bad. Gotta be a better way.

[shari91]

Shari, I think a little research will reveal that i am a long time poster who is revered by many on this site. Those who would seek to honor me with tribute in 1k blocks would just be paying me just homage. Having said that, I would be shocked that John would want to ban me for accepting tribute. What i did with the points which were freely given to me would be my business i imagine. Let it be known to my subjects who wish to pay tribute--i am a benevolent dictator. I will ask John in person in august if i can set up my own kingdom.

Well when you put it that way...of course you should be able to!!!

Hopefully I'm standing nearby when you ask so I can get John's facial expression on video when he hears your proposal.

[shari91]

I didn't see anything in the points FAQ restricting this? http://store.sbrforum.com/points/faq/

Oh, it's there. You just need to check out the FAQ's at the bottom of every page.

2) Points cannot be bought and sold between posters. Posters are reminded that no personal business or commerce can be conducted on the SBR family of sites, including the PM system.

[The Bet Master]

katstale I'll give you 4K points in tribute, but remember you still owe me $120 from dinner the other night.

[d2bets]

The original offer of $30 is insulting anyway. I think you are overplaying the gap between the value of points for americans vs. non-americans. Personally, I think americans have it better because we can get pizzas. Pizza is 10 cents per point. $100/1,000 points.

[capitalist pig]

It seems to me SBR brought this whole mess on themselves, since they did this before US govt crackdown. If a website has info worth digesting people will visit the site, SBR tried paying people in points to keep users and now its a mess. Seems like a simple idea but, but make the information here valuable and you wont need to buy site users with points,JMO.

later

[SBR_John]

I don't think offering straight "cash" for points that are given to posters for free is the problem for US guys. SBR could do that legally. Yes the inhouse rules would need to be tweaked. There is really no difference in giving a guy a pizza or what the pizza cost. The problem there is logistics. The company has no US accounts and wants to stay away from cash processing inside the US. We may offer a cash option for large point redemptions as a matter of convenience,

[agharah1]

Technically, it is against the law: private citizens conducting business with the intent of skirting US law is called *money laundering.*

But what about FanDuel? Fantasy sports aren't illegal in the US, can't we have the option of buying cash deposits there?

[JoeVig]

I don't think offering straight "cash" for points that are given to posters for free is the problem for US guys. SBR could do that legally. Yes the inhouse rules would need to be tweaked. There is really no difference in giving a guy a pizza or what the pizza cost. The problem there is logistics. The company has no US accounts and wants to stay away from cash processing inside the US. We may offer a cash option for large point redemptions as a matter of convenience,

What's the difference in Full Tilt Poker vs. SBR poker (or sportsbook or casino) which is played for points that can be redeemed for cash by US citizens?

Maybe FTP can come back and let us earn/buy "points" that can later be redeemed for say, $1 per point?

[rfr3sh]

blame the government all unhappy american posters

[HeeeHAWWWW]

is there a single u.s. poster that is happier with sbr than they were a year ago?
since then:
1) $200 deposits to be "pro"
2) no sportsbook cash/freeplays in the store
3) foreign players being treated better for poker tourneys (ryder cup)/points/etc
4) bash moved to a foreign country
5) contest/poker winnings now need to be rolled over
etc etc etc

this place is still great, but it's getting less so by the day

To be fair, little of this is SBR's fault.

As for the "overall genorisity factor", they're clearly making decent cash to afford all these freebies. That they should choose to share it with posters rather then blowing it all on hookers and coke leaves us with little to complain about.

Personally, I'm going to order an Ipad soon from here, and maybe $500 of freeplays. What did I do for this? Played a little freeroll poker, posted a bit, etc. That seems a pretty good deal from my PoV.

[pavyracer]

Mark my words. This site will lose 50% of US Pros when renewal period ends. And if you think you can make up the loss with non-US posters you must be living in La La land. 95% of the money being wagered at offshore books on NFL and college football is by US citizens. Good luck making the 2 posters SBR has from Uzbekistan and French Guiana betting on American football more than $5 per bet.

[obamaismyuncle]

without sportsbook cash and freeplays the points are worthless to me. I don't need a Target or Wal Mart gift card and I would rather just pay for my pizzas then ordering them thru SBR and have to deal with the hassle. SBR said the "PRO" membership was good for a year but they changed the rules before the year was up, pretty low imo..

[chilidog]

is there a single u.s. poster that is happier with sbr than they were a year ago?
since then:
1) $200 deposits to be "pro"
2) no sportsbook cash/freeplays in the store
3) foreign players being treated better for poker tourneys (ryder cup)/points/etc
4) bash moved to a foreign country
5) contest/poker winnings now need to be rolled over
etc etc etc

this place is still great, but it's getting less so by the day

Blame the people that you vote into power.

[abedin]

Idea is good, but against rules.