How Do You Think the 4 #1 Seeds Are

[The Madcap]

Tar Heel fan here and i agree Heels have had a great run should they be a number one even with a win over Duke probably not maybe a 2 seed. But for some of you clowns making a arguement about Duke there is no way. What is there best win this season Kansas State or Temple what Michigan st is that a big win? This team is so overrated by so many people it amazes me. Carolina has dominated Duke for 3 halves of basketball. I do think Duke will beat them tomorrow but the acc just isn't that tough this season. Duke should not be a number one regardless.

Something tells me you wouldn't be saying that if the shoe was on the other foot and UNC had spent much of the year ranked #1 and had Duke's current record.

Say Duke had come stumbling out of the gate this year, and lost to both K-State and Michigan State, while UNC had managed to win against Minnesota and Georgia Tech. And say Duke managed to eek out some miraculous last second wins when their opponents choked. (maybe in games @ Miami, @UVA, and @ Clemson for instance)

And say Duke split the season series with UNC and managed to win the ACC Regular season because of it, being they didn't have to play @ VTech or @ Maryland, and hit a last second buzzer beater to beat FSU who was missing their best player. In that scenario, UNC would be sitting with a 28-4 record with a chance to win the ACC title, and might possibly have won the regular season title ahead of Duke if not for some minor miracles and the unbalanced schedule as a result of conference expansion. You're saying you would be openly supporting UNC DIDN'T get a #1 seed under those circumstances?

As ICEMAN would say, "Ah-hem, BULLSHIT."

Yes, Duke's non-conf wins have turned out to be a bit more lackluster as the season has wore on, but both K-State and Michigan State have dealt with serious losses of personnel that have affected those teams since early in the season. Since K-State got healthy they've been on a tear, with wins against Kansas, Missouri, and @ Texas.

And while UNC has "dominated Duke for three halves" of basketball, so what? Clemson dominated UNC for 3 1/2 halves of basketball with an 0-3 record to show for it. Miami dominated UNC for a few halves of basketball and went 0-2. Halves don't matter, finishes do. And what matters is who finishes tomorrow. If Duke beats UNC they should get a number one seed. And I would say the same for UNC if they win tomorrow.

You're right that the ACC has had a down year. And it's in no small part because early in the season some of the ACC's better teams didn't hold up their end of the bargain outside of the conference, and lost to very beatable teams like Vanderbilt, Minnesota, and Illinois, meaning the ACC was saddled with the "down year" rap from the beginning of the season. Perhaps had the ACC team won in those games, the conference would have a better RPI, and as a result, the ACC regular season champion wouldn't even have to worry about winning tomorrow to be considered a #1 seed.

[dlew2k]

kansas, duke, ohio state, uconn

[DRZ]

Ohio st and kansas locks

other two up for grabs i say pitt and duke (i think they win tomorrow)

[fakeandthedrive]

pitt ohio st kansas duke

[InTheDrink]

pitt ohio st kansas

if duke loses can they get one anyway?

based on some of their seeding in the past im thinking yes

[dngf]

Ohio State
Kansas
Notre Dame
Duke if they win, possibly UConn if they don't

[the12thman]

i don't think UNC can get the #1, i like notre dame to still be a #1

[Congruency]

Yeah probably gonna be Pitt or SDSU as the 4th #1. I still think UNC has a shot if they win impressively tomorrow.

[InTheDrink]

as was said earlier when does the acc reg season and tourney champ not get a #1

im leaning toward unc being the 4th #1 if they win

[MJT1212]

I will guarantee duke to win tomorrow, mark it down, go all in on DUKE ML

[The Madcap]

The Mountain West Conference is greater than the ACC this season, but the selection committee doesn't respect teams from the "non power conferences."

You want to know why that is?

At least with the Mountain West?

2010: #3 seed New Mexico loses to #11 seed Washington by 18 in the 2nd round; # 8 seed UNLV loses to #9 seed N. Iowa in the first round

2009: #5 seed Utah loses to #12 seed Arizona by 13 in the first round; #8 seed BYU loses to #9 seed Texas A&M by 13 in the first round

2008: #8 seed BYU loses to #9 seed Texas A&M

2007: #8 seed BYU loses to #9 seed Xavier

Since 2000, the MWC is 10-26 in the NCAA Tournament, and of those ten wins, half of them came against such power conference foes as Kent State, Montana, UTEP, St. Louis, and Gonzaga.

The point is, while a lot of non-power conference teams over the years have made a showing in the NCAA's, it is frequently a once in a generation confluence of talent and circumstance (like Davidson's run to the elite 8 with Steph Curry) that comes out of nowhere and vanishes as quickly as it arrives.

When the programs in these conference begin to develop more consistency, they will be rewarded with more respect come seeding time. Gonzaga has proven this over years, because they have proven to be a solid team. And so they were awarded with higher and higher seeds. But they couldn't do much with those higher seeds, and hence have proven that dominance in the WCC doesn't translate into being a Final Four team.

BYU looks like a great team this year. But in the last ten years BYU is 1-8 in NCAA Tournament games. When non- power conference teams start making it to the Final Four, or at least justify the seed placement they get now, then they will start getting higher seeds. But when you get a #3 seed like New Mexico did last year, and then get blown out by 20 to an #11 seed from a power conference, it tells the selection committee, these non-power conference teams just aren't that good.

UNLV didn't have a hard time getting good seeds when Tarkanian was the coach because they proved they could compete with the big boys on a consistent basis. For a while Utah didn't have a hard time getting a good seed when Majerus was there, because they proved they could win on a consistent basis.

When the best programs in the smaller conferences (BYU/SDST/Gonzaga/Utah State etc) start winning year in and year out against superior competition, then they will get respect. But the selection committee can't just go and pick the 3-4 non-conference teams with the best records every year and give them a high seed, or you get what happens with New Mexico last year when they got spanked by Washington. And the last damned thing we need is a top seed from a shitty conference going down early to some scrub in Duke or UNC's bracket and everybody getting all up and arms and blaming the committee for making it easy on them.

The smaller conference schools have gotten what they deserve. Trust me. If BYU or SDST were in the Big East or Big Ten this season they'd barely be on the bubble.

[GOIRISH]

Ohio state
duke
kansas
notre dame

[yisman]

Ohio State
Kansas
Notre Dame
Duke if they win, possibly UConn if they don't

UConn? No.

Probably a 3.

[CollegeOverUnder]

Ohio St
Kansas
Notre Dame
Pitt


North Carolina does not deserve the #1 seed even if they do win the ACC

[Congruency]

North Carolina does not deserve the #1 seed even if they do win the ACC

the committee also considers how teams will do in the tournament, not solely from the past

the heels with marshall at PG have been a completely different team

with him as the starting PG, theyve lost one game, and that loss was very impressive

[Shortstop]

I think they are confident and eager for the tourney to begin...

[MoneyLineDawg]

Notre Dame has had a much more impressive season than Duke.....Compare the schedules to eachother

ACC sucked this year.....too bad

KU, Ohio State, Pitt, ND.....they are the top 4 teams with the most impressive seasons thus far, plain and simple

[dannyd66]

Where's Brock Landers?

He'd know the "lock" on these seeds

dontcha' think?

[shawnkang]

id rather give sdsu a number 1 seed than pitt.

[BiffTFinancial]

Ohio State
Kansas
Notre Dame
the winner of Duke/UNC today

[KACK]

kansas
Ohio St.
Pitt
UNC

[Wiggums5]

Pitt will get the number 1 over ND. They aren't going to penalize Pitt for losing to the Big East Champs.

[doublej95]

Notre Dame has had a much more impressive season than Duke.....Compare the schedules to eachother

ACC sucked this year.....too bad

KU, Ohio State, Pitt, ND.....they are the top 4 teams with the most impressive seasons thus far, plain and simple

Just wondering what has Notre Dame done that is so impressive?

[LT Profits]

Just wondering what has Notre Dame done that is so impressive?

I think they have more wins over Top 25 teams than any team in the country.

That said, I think they need Duke to lose to get a 1 seed. I think that Ohio State and Kansas are locks and Pitt is firm, only last one is up for grabs.

[HotStreak]

Not sure how the other 2 #1's shake out after Ohio St and Kansas, but I think a 1 seed goes out in the second round this year.

[wrongturn]

With the way UNC had played so far in ACC tournament, they can easily lose in the first round in NCAA, so making them #1 could be a foolish idea from committee.

[eatdust11]

Could be two Big East #1 seeds... Ohio State should be a #1 no matter what happens today

[pavyracer]

wheat
rice
corn
soy

[daniele4]

University of Illinois has to be in this discussion

[doublej95]

Ohio St
Kansas
Pitt
Duke

[yisman]

Duke clearly in as a #1 seed now.

I'd make them the third #1 and Pitt the 4th, although that last one could go to ND instead.

[beerman2619]

Duke shouldn't be a number one kids learn the game some. ACC was one of the weakest conferences in basketball. They didn't even win the regular season title. Lets look at Dukes wins this season big wins over uh Kansas St and Michigan St wow impressive. Pitt and Notre Dame should be one seeds over Duke. Duke got blown out by the one big east team they played in St. Johns.

[LT Profits]

it's all over now:

Ohio State
Kansas
Pittsburgh
Duke

Etched in stone.

[LT Profits]

Duke shouldn't be a number one kids learn the game some. ACC was one of the weakest conferences in basketball. They didn't even win the regular season title. Lets look at Dukes wins this season big wins over uh Kansas St and Michigan St wow impressive. Pitt and Notre Dame should be one seeds over Duke. Duke got blown out by the one big east team they played in St. Johns.

Solid point but the committee will still favor Duke over Notre Dame

[samgurt]

Kansas, Ohio St, Duke, Notre Dame (gotta remember that ND beat Pitt @ Pitt and they only lost 1 more game than Pitt)