Why no one (besides gamblers) talk about games being fixed?

[TexansFan]

Dan Patrick was hinting at the game being fixed today!

Dan Patrick? Well hell, that settles it then. I know, maybe it was Dan Patrick's daddy who fixed the game, you know, the one who gave him everything.

[lyon804]

Indeed sir. It is amazing how fast the blinders go up when someone doesn't want to admit they ran into some bad luck. Betting is a grind folks, when stuff like this happens it serves as a great reminder as to why you don't go huge on one game.

Yes, exactly. bad beats occur. I named a worse beat above that I took recently.

Yeah, Roger Goodell read SBR before the game started, and once he determined the majority were on Indy he phoned the refs and advised then how the game should play out. He then called Billy Walters and dumped all of his money on the Titans +3 and sat back and enjoyed the game.

Then, after the game, a UFO picked him up and he met with all the actors involved in the fake 911 attacks.

Good stuff Texas Fan


So essentially what all these posters are saying..... " A bunch of mulit-millionaire athletes and coaches got together to wipe my wittle $25 bets out"


OK, so Vegas or Goddel sent orders to the field to let the millionaire coaches and players know how the game was going to go and gave them all scripts pregame Yeah, I am buying that sign me up coach


So a bunch of millionaries are going to risk everything to fix a game, huh? For who, Vegas? What would be the consequences if this got out? Alot of those athletes are CEO's of there own brand like Manning and others and would be risking a hell of alot more than there Sunday paycheck if this was un covered. Not just money,but imprisonment.


Oh, I gotcha. All of these $25 bettors are right and I am wrong

[Mikail]

I can only reveal the truth to you. It's is up to you whether you will accept it or not. Guys from the bottle of my heart with a cherry on top. I wouldn't lie to you. These games are mostly fixed. I dedicated an entire thread to it. Not for me but to help those too ignorant to understand the power of money and what it's capable of. Pay attention guys. It's your money.

[ronjon619]

Laying more than 3 on the road, outdoors in a December night game vs a divisional team should be very scary bet. A finesse team like Indy who plays ZERO defense vs a team that only put up SIX points in their last two games. Playing a side was tough way to go. Shit Indy had the money until the 59th minute scripted or not. I don't buy the scripting of NFL games, but if it was someone wrote a good one.
1. Rookie running wrong route.
2. Fisher not going for 4th and 1 with 4 minutes left and down by only 6.
3. Mathis and Freeny non factors on the cashing drive for the Titans. You'd think one of them would step up, when TEN is just throwing every down
4. Fisher not kicking the FG first, instead playing for the MIRACLE back door cover TD and killing every gaming ticket with the word COLTS printed on it. Except for the teases.
5. INDY on a 3 game skid and their precious Poster Boy on the verge of missing the Playoffs. Playing a MUST WIN game on a THURSDAY NIGHT with everyone watching and a very light B-Ball schedule. That was pretty much the only thing to bet. Even the NBA scheduled 3 snoozers. BOS @ PHI, NJ @ DAL, ORL @ PORT.

[xyzky]

Not going to read all two pages of this...It's very simple: Games get fixed all of the time (not sure about last night, didnt even watch) you just hopefully are on the right side of it when it happens...

[xyzky]

Oh, and to answer the first question in this thread:

It really does only seem like the gambling world cares about the fix or not the fix or what the **** ever...I for one cannot stand talking with someone about sports when I am out of town, because there so littered by the media its almost worthless for them to open their mouth!

[Grandmaster B]

Dan Patrick? Well hell, that settles it then. I know, maybe it was Dan Patrick's daddy who fixed the game, you know, the one who gave him everything.

[chilidog]

I can only reveal the truth to you. It's is up to you whether you will accept it or not. Guys from the bottle of my heart with a cherry on top. I wouldn't lie to you. These games are mostly fixed. I dedicated an entire thread to it. Not for me but to help those too ignorant to understand the power of money and what it's capable of. Pay attention guys. It's your money.

You have not presented one piece of logical evidence to back up your thought-process.

[lyon804]

Man, that was one classic fix I must admit You people are giving those NFL football players way too much credit. If they could follow a script that good they should quit football and move to Hollywood. Do you realize all that would have to go right for the fix to happen?


Basically, the game was like any other game, but had 2 plays that led to the ending... Garcon, broke a long reception on 3rd down and the colts stalled out around the 30 forcing a 47 yrd FG attempt.

Did all 3 Titans players miss the tackle on purpose? If so, since when was 47 yrd FG's automatic? especially in last nites conditions. In a fixed game would they really leave that much to chance?



Also, in a fix why did the Colts win? Alot still cashed on Colts ML and teased Colts and the Over?All those people cashed so the loses were offset quite a bit with the ML. Why not Indy just loose the game? Hell Indy ain't going anywhere even if they see the playoffs.


All the the miilonaire players from the Titans and Colts along with the coaching staff was in on the take?


If you believe that you are one a sick puppy. And for what to wipe out your little $25 bet

[sharpcat]

I can only reveal the truth to you. It's is up to you whether you will accept it or not. Guys from the bottle of my heart with a cherry on top. I wouldn't lie to you. These games are mostly fixed. I dedicated an entire thread to it. Not for me but to help those too ignorant to understand the power of money and what it's capable of. Pay attention guys. It's your money.

You should call Jesse Ventura and tell him that not only have you uncovered that the SBR casino is fixed but that you have now uncovered that the NFL is fixed also.

Your evidence:
Despite the fact that you are betting at a 5% disadvantage you and everybody else who gambles seems to lose on average 5% of your wager amount per bet. Something is not adding up here.

This is absurd I thought gambling was supposed to be easy to win at how come everybody loses money gambling?

[lyon804]

You should call Jesse Ventura and tell him that not only have you uncovered that the SBR casino is fixed but that you have now uncovered that the NFL is fixed also.

Your evidence:
Despite the fact that you are betting at a 5% disadvantage you and everybody else who gambles seems to lose on average 5% of your wager amount per bet. Something is not adding up here.

This is absurd I thought gambling was supposed to be easy to win at how come everybody loses money gambling?

You are way too sharp, sharpcat. Smart fukker indeed. I have read many of your post.

[King Mayan]

Dan Patrick? Well hell, that settles it then. I know, maybe it was Dan Patrick's daddy who fixed the game, you know, the one who gave him everything.

Bahahaha well tell me why they didn't try to win?? Two point conversion? Maybe it wasn't fixed but that was some fishy shiit!!!

[BettingWizard]

Would you stop.

Do you have any idea how much has to fall PERFECTLY into place for a team to win by 2 on a -3?

you just made an argument that supported a fix


too many idiots on this site think a fix = every person on the field is in on it.

OH BLAIR MEANT TO JUMP IN FRONT OF WAYNE? HAHHAHAHAHAHA

A "fixed" game is one where a team is given a good chance to cover when they otherwise wouldn't have under "fair" conditions. Are they always successful at completing the fix? Of course not.

[Mikail]

Responding to chilidog and sharpie I can only reveal the truth to you. You don't have to take my word for it. Obviously you find my statement obsurd. Do the research yourself. I am in no need for you to believe the truth. My life will not be changed whatsoever if you don't believe me. I'll finish with this to ponder.... ask yourself is it really that far fetched to believe that a game could be rigged so someone can make money. It has happened before and been proven or do you not believe that true also?

[GELATINOUS CUBE]

WELL....FANS-WOULD-FEEL-LIKE-IDIOTS-KNOWING-THEY'RE-SCREAMING-OVER-FAKE-GAMES.

[GELATINOUS CUBE]

Haha...
Just-kidding
sports-are-real
:d

[sharpcat]

Responding to chilidog and sharpie I can only reveal the truth to you. You don't have to take my word for it. Obviously you find my statement obsurd. Do the research yourself. I am in no need for you to believe the truth. My life will not be changed whatsoever if you don't believe me. I'll finish with this to ponder.... ask yourself is it really that far fetched to believe that a game could be rigged so someone can make money. It has happened before and been proven or do you not believe that true also?

In a professional level sport like football where you can not guarantee that 1 player could have a significant impact on the game and the minimum salary is $500,000 a year????

No, the amount of money that one would have to pay just 1 player or coach to intentionally throw a game would be such a large amount that not only would you not be able to find enough outs to get money down at in order to ensure yourself a profit and cover the amount you would have to pay that player but also in a game like football it would be impossible to guarantee the outcome you would expect. Outside of the coach and the QB no 1 player on the field could significantly alter the outcome of the event and since these are 2 of the highest paid positions on the field it would cost an insane amount of money to buy them off. Even if you were able to pay this high price and get down enough money to cover it the books would clearly catch the odd betting pattern and likely void all bets like the have done in recent years in small league soccer games that were suspected to be fixed.

Only possible way I could see any type of fix going on in the NFL would be on the referee side and it would be interesting to hear how you would blame this on the referee's.

Yes game fixing has happened before in the 1920's when players made 1/20th of the salaries they make nowadays or in small market sports where players do not make much money.

Enough with the conspiracies you lose money gambling for one reason and that is the same reason the casinos make money from you gambling because you are making bets that have a 50% chance of winning but the price you are paying requires you to win 52.5%.

[Statman]

I've always wondered if there are any books out there for reading which documents players from pro sports in on a fix or jockeys fixing races. I'd find it a fascinating read

[Dirty Sanchez]

You want to talk about fixes...you need to pay attention to soccer. There are teams and refs constantly pulling stuff during games, especially in Germany. They had a ref get busted who was working with the Croatian mob fixing games...a dirty sport for sure

[Sunde91]

you just made an argument that supported a fix


too many idiots on this site think a fix = every person on the field is in on it.

OH BLAIR MEANT TO JUMP IN FRONT OF WAYNE? HAHHAHAHAHAHA

A "fixed" game is one where a team is given a good chance to cover when they otherwise wouldn't have under "fair" conditions. Are they always successful at completing the fix? Of course not.

This is really getting ridiculous now.

I did not make an argument that supported a fix, because the context in which I used that argument was one where I considered the possibility that a did fix happen, and that for a 21-0 game to end up a 2 point game was next to impossible GIVEN that a fix DID happen. It is next to impossible, because those who fix a game (if they have any control whatsoever) would not allow their bet to get in such a massive whole it would be near impossible for them to win.

You presumed that because the raw chance of a game ending on 2 in itself is so small and unlikely, that this was evidence that ONLY a fix would explain such an infeasible occurence. But improbabilty =/= conspiracy, and again, the context I used considered the fix a given, and if "fixers" hold any bearing whatsoever over the game they are "fixing", they would not allow their bet to be in spot where covering would basically be impossible.

Now please explain to me what kind of "good chance" a team is given under a "fix". Are the coaches involved? Players? Refs? Was only Fisher involved? Was the Colts Coach in on it too? Did they have some secret meeting to agree that, if possible, they would allow the +3 to cover? What happens if those involved never have a chance to seal the fix and the financiers of the operation constantly lose??? Cause it was by a miracle Titans even had the chance to cover. Seems like really shitty business to me if you're trying to bank on a sure thing by rigging a game that doesn't give yourself a better chance to win. And this was a 100% terrible investment until the last play.

And who calls the shots, finances, and organizes this? Big Time Players? Vegas? What kind of possible sway can they hold to give their team an advantage when their bet is losing 21-0 and comes down to a 4th and goal on the last play of the game?

You have nothing: zero evidence, no theory, not even speculation backed by anything remotely coherent, just non-falsifiable conspiracy bullshit.

[Mikail]

You want to talk about fixes...you need to pay attention to soccer. There are teams and refs constantly pulling stuff during games, especially in Germany. They had a ref get busted who was working with the Croatian mob fixing games...a dirty sport for sure

Don't even try to tell sharpie that. He is sure 100% Professional sports aren't fixed and the only reason we lose is because of the house edge and the juice.

[GELATINOUS CUBE]

damn-refs!!

[BettingWizard]

Cause it was by a miracle Titans even had the chance to cover.

thanks again for supporting the fix argument

again, how the **** are we supposed to know what goes on behind the scenes? It doesn't matter, you watch the game, and see how this shit unfolds. It's so obvious.

[Sunde91]

thanks again for supporting the fix argument

again, how the **** are we supposed to know what goes on behind the scenes? It doesn't matter, you watch the game, and see how this shit unfolds. It's so obvious.

Chances you read or have the reading comprehension to understand what I JUST fuking said in the first two paragraphs: 0

Again no theory, no evidenece, just "Err Derr, it be like for realz impossible yo for dat to cover, so muzt bees deh fix!!!!"

Jaguars hail mary win over Texans must have been a fix too cause that was also very improbable. Agree???

Thanks for confirming how stupid you are if all you have is improbability = fix.

[BettingWizard]

im not the idiot that thinks a team has to lead wire to wire for a fix to work

[sharpcat]

Don't even try to tell sharpie that. He is sure 100% Professional sports aren't fixed and the only reason we lose is because of the house edge and the juice.

Are you really this challenged? did you not read my post?

In a professional level sport like football where you can not guarantee that 1 player could have a significant impact on the game and the minimum salary is $500,000 a year????

No, the amount of money that one would have to pay just 1 player or coach to intentionally throw a game would be such a large amount that not only would you not be able to find enough outs to get money down at in order to ensure yourself a profit and cover the amount you would have to pay that player but also in a game like football it would be impossible to guarantee the outcome you would expect. Outside of the coach and the QB no 1 player on the field could significantly alter the outcome of the event and since these are 2 of the highest paid positions on the field it would cost an insane amount of money to buy them off. Even if you were able to pay this high price and get down enough money to cover it the books would clearly catch the odd betting pattern and likely void all bets like the have done in recent years in small league soccer games that were suspected to be fixed.

Only possible way I could see any type of fix going on in the NFL would be on the referee side and it would be interesting to hear how you would blame this on the referee's.

Yes game fixing has happened before in the 1920's when players made 1/20th of the salaries they make nowadays or in small market sports where players do not make much money.

Enough with the conspiracies you lose money gambling for one reason and that is the same reason the casinos make money from you gambling because you are making bets that have a 50% chance of winning but the price you are paying requires you to win 52.5%.

Who the hell said anything about 100% or anything even closely related???????

As you can see I clearly pointed out that I am fully aware that fixes go on in sports leagues where players do not get paid an extremely high salary and that referees are also a possibility for a fix due to their low salary.

Please tell me now how the referee could have had any influence on this game? Did the referee make Blair White run the wrong route in the end zone? Did the referee tell Fisher he was not allowed to attempt a field goal?

Jesus christ most people lose at gambling because they are at a mathematical disadvantage but you are also mentally disadvantaged.

[Todd2122]

The easiest games to fix are the ones where the team that is supposed to win wins but doesn't cover the spread. It's more prevalent in basketball where a needless foul with seconds left or dribbling the ball out to run out the clock can sway a spread. Of course if the line is -12 and the team is winning by 11 points no media is going to criticize a coach for winning by 11 and not trying to win by 13.

This is correct. Why try to fix an NFL game played by millionaires, when you could just as easily fix a game played by poor college kids with no NBA prospects with an 12 point spread?

[lyon804]

Chances you read or have the reading comprehension to understand what I JUST fuking said in the first two paragraphs: 0

Again no theory, no evidenece, just "Err Derr, it be like for realz impossible yo for dat to cover, so muzt bees deh fix!!!!"

Jaguars hail mary win over Texans must have been a fix too cause that was also very improbable. Agree???

Thanks for confirming how stupid you are if all you have is improbability = fix.

LMFAO So true, nice post and good laugh from it too.

[Mikail]

sharpie you are now making personal attacks on me. You fail to understand that sports are most certainly fixed and at more of a % than most think. I am not going to go back and forth with you. It's clear that you cannot accept anything other than your mindset. I did my part I let you to the path. It's up to you if your gonna walk down it.

[BettingWizard]

bringing a hail mary pass into this discussion now? Desperation.

[THE PROFIT]

same reason old white men dont talk about racism or discrimination, it just hasnt rubbed them wrong for them to give a fuk

[Art Vandelay]

I don't think the game was fixed, but the announcers were questioning the Titans decision. Matt Milan specifically said when there was 30 seconds left, "why not kick a field goal here, and try to get the on-side kick...You're going to have to get an onside kick either way and this is using to much clock"

Millen is the biggest idiot in sports - don't listen to anything he says! He also said that "Randy Moss is the consumate team player" - "a great teammate". I had to go back on my DVR to make sure I heard him correctly. Mr. 0-16 strikes again!