ATTN: FISHHEAD, IOWA Question

[Brock Landers]

I am watching a classic IOWA game game from October 29th 1988 At INDIANA. I noticed this a long time ago, but since i saw this game i had to ask cause i am sure toy know

WHY did IOWA/Fry use the tightends in those straight up stances?? They look like guards at Buckingham palace.

Odd stance, just wondering why and what the purpose of it was.

BTW...in this particular game, Chuck Hartlieb threw for 558 yards and still lost 45-34!

[purecarnagge]

It allowed them better vision of the field, and let them get off the line easier on passing routes.

[Brock Landers]

It allowed them better vision of the field, and let them get off the line easier on passing routes.

then why isn't it still in use?

[Brock Landers]

bump for Fish..

[RollPlayer]

I'm going to guess that it isn't in use because it turns the tight end into more of a slot receiver and not a tight end. It is impossible to block out of that stance

[Brock Landers]

I'm going to guess that it isn't in use because it turns the tight end into more of a slot receiver and not a tight end. It is impossible to block out of that stance

so answer the 2nd question, if its so good, why isn't it being used now, or by anyone else?

[Fishhead]

The answer is correct

The stance is for better vision down the field and getting down field faster.

With the departure of Fry, Iowa uses this less and less with nitwit offensive coordinater O'Keefe in charge of the offense.

Iowa continues to be a TE factory.

[Brock Landers]

The answer is correct The stance is for better vision down the field and getting down field faster. With the departure of Fry, Iowa uses this less and less with nitwit offensive coordinater O'Keefe in charge of the offense. Iowa continues to be a TE factory.

if its "great", why don't any other teams use it?

[Fishhead]

if its "great", why don't any other teams use it?

Good question

[Fishhead]

Iowa does have a reputation for producing NFL-ready offensive linemen, but don’t discount the work Kirk Ferentz and his staff have done with tight ends.
During Ferentz’s tenure, Iowa has put eight tight ends in the NFL in some way, shape or form. This year, Tony Moeaki was drafted by the Kansas City Chiefs. During Ferentz’s first season, 1999, Zeron Flemister and Austin Wheatley made it into the league.
In between, there’s been all-pro Dallas Clark.
Ray Hamilton liked the sound of that. So, the Strongsville, Ohio, prep committed to play tight end for the Hawkeyes on Wednesday.
Hamilton was the first of three commitments Wednesday for the Hawkeyes. Iowa also picked up a commitment from defensive end John Raymon, a 6-5, 240-pounder from Council Rock (Penn.) North School.
“I think I’ve heard all the way to 12 (tight ends from Iowa in the NFL),” said Hamilton, a 6-5, 225-pounder. “I don’t know the exact number, but I know they’ve put a lot of tight ends in the NFL.”
In six games last season, Hamilton caught six passes for 300 yards. He missed a stretch of games after having a torn meniscus repaired in his knee. Hamilton missed some time in basketball, too, with an elbow injury. He said he’s good to go now.
“I played week one of football with torn meniscus in my knee,” Hamilton said. “I had it fixed was out until week five or six. Just had some pain and it’s fine now.”
Hamilton had at least 20 scholarship offers, including Michigan, Notre Dame and Oklahoma. With all the mail, his recruiting has been nutty, to say the least.
“I’m just thankful I have two hands, I guess,” Hamilton said when asked about daily trips to the mailbox. “It’s crazy. That’s the best way to put it. You’ve got to stay humble with it and stay patient with the process and make sure you really pick out the schools and narrow it down as quickly as you can.”
Out of the boxes full of letters, Hamilton narrowed it down to Iowa, Florida State and North Carolina.
Strongsville is a suburb of Cleveland, Ohio. Iowa quarterback Ricky Stanzi is from Mentor, also a Cleveland suburb. It wasn’t a closing situation, but Hamilton did take in a dinner with Stanzi when he visited Iowa City this summer.
They compared the HuHot to a Mongolian beef place back in Ohio.
“There’s not enough that can be said about him,” Hamilton said. “From his work ethic to his character, he’s just a stand-up guy. He’s incredible.”
Ohio State wasn’t among the offers for Hamilton. The Buckeyes picked up a tight end commitment on Wednesday. Asked about Ohio State, it didn’t sound as though there was any waver in Hamilton’s choice.
“I’m a Hawkeye,” he said.
Hamilton is Iowa’s sixth recruit this season. He’s also the second tight end Iowa has picked up in the last week or so. Hamilton joins Mount Pleasant prep Henry Krieger-Coble.
Also. Iowa assistant coach and recruiting coordinator Eric Johnson wroteearly this afternoon on his Twitter feed that Iowa had a second commitment of the day. I’ve been able to confirm that Raymon had committed to the Hawkeyes.

[RollPlayer]

so answer the 2nd question, if its so good, why isn't it being used now, or by anyone else?

It isn't being used now or by anyone else because having a tight end stand up totally negates what they can do in the running game. Any defensive end that fires out at they will have instant leverage and will not be blocked. It makes them a better receiver, sure, but I think teams realized that if they want an extra receiver in a stand up stance that can't help in the running game that they might as well put them in the slot instead, a la Wes Welker

[purecarnagge]

It isn't being used now or by anyone else because having a tight end stand up totally negates what they can do in the running game. Any defensive end that fires out at they will have instant leverage and will not be blocked. It makes them a better receiver, sure, but I think teams realized that if they want an extra receiver in a stand up stance that can't help in the running game that they might as well put them in the slot instead, a la Wes Welker

You guys are comparing 1980s football to modern day football where lets see

-they recruit you years in advance it seems
-passing oriented league
-early enrollment to learn the plays
-coaches salarys and staff has increased by how much since then?

It helped the TE get out on LB's easier, but your right the DE would own them with that, most of the time though you will notice the TE isn't blocking down on a DE, he's picking up someone in space with those stand up sets unless its short yardage. You it also allowed the TE to pick up the blitz more effectively. In Iowa's past blocking schemes the TE doesn't take on defensive linemen all that often, they pick up LB's and SS or FS in the box or a blitzing CB. It was mainly a vision thing.

Most teams back then didn't know how to rush the edge, it was all stop the run, make them beat us deep and don't give up the big play types of mentalities...

But go ahead guys... compare 1980's football to modern day football.