Reason Why You Should ALWAYS Hedge

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  • forsberg21
    SBR MVP
    • 09-23-09
    • 1851

    #1
    Reason Why You Should ALWAYS Hedge
    After hitting the 6th wager of a 7 wager parlay, people always ask for advice on whether or not they should hedge this parlay. The people giving the advice always argue both ways. One side reasons that you should always take a profit, while the other asks why you made that initial wager in the first place when you plan to go against it now. If you're in this for the long haul, then the answer is clear, you have to hedge.

    Going strictly on dollars and cents, in the long run, hedging vs. not hedging should theoretically even out. However, hedging greatly diminishes the variance a handicapper experiences. Plus, by not hedging, the handicapper is actually placing wagers that are highly above the standard amount of "units" they typically wager. Let me explain:

    Let's say a capper has placed $10 on a 4 team parlay that pays $200. The first 3 wagers of this parlay have hit. Now, the capper can bet the other side on the 4th game for 2.00, or +100. He decides to hedge and lays $100 at 2.00, or +100, and regardless of what side wins, he collects $200. He has shelled out the initial $10 wager and the $100 hedge, for a total of $110, meaning that he has profited $90. The capper now has an additional $90 in his pocket and doesn't have to sweat out this parlay. His winnings of $90, though less than the potential $190 profit, are certain, and he protects himself from a $10 loss.

    Now, let's say the capper doesn't hedge this parlay. His opportunity cost of not hedging is the $90 profit he is forgoing. So, essentially, the capper is now risking the $90 he has in his pocket, to win $200. Yes, you can say that the capper's exposure on this wager is $10, but when he is faced with the opportunity to hedge, then he is automatically foregoing a guaranteed profit in order to win more. This is how gambling gets dangerous, when you start wagering above your means. Here are the situations:

    1. Hedge: $200 guaranteed payout, $90 guaranteed profit
    2. Don't Hedge: Risking your $90 guaranteed profit for a payout of $200.
    - You are essentially making a straight wager of $100 ($10 initial + $90 profit) to win $200.

    The smart play here is to take your $90 off the table and not be forced to wager it on the 4th leg of the parlay, because this is essentially what you are doing. The capper, whose "units" are measured in $10, is now wagering $100 to win $200. He is wagering 10 units on a single play, I doubt a capper would ever do this otherwise. You can argue that you have to look at the parlay as one large wager, but the reality is that the capper has the opportunity to lock in a profit, but forgoes taking that profit if he doesn't hedge.

    What makes me cringe is the Deal or No Deal gameshow. On one episode, a woman got down to the final two briefcases. I can't recall the numbers exactly, but let's say she was offered $500,000 for her briefcase while there final ones held $1 and $1,000,000. By saying "No Deal", she gave up her $500,000 in order to go for the $1,000,000. She had $500,000 in her pocket, but she decided to wager her $500,000 to go for the $1,000,000 on a coin flip. There's no EV+ on this play at all. This is the equivalent to laying $500,000 on black to win $1,000,000, for someone one probably made $50,000 a year. I don't have to go on arguing how ridiculous it was for this woman to go for a $500,000 coin flip.

    The lesson is, never leave any money on the table. When you've created "value" in your parlay by hitting the first few legs, you should always hedge. This goes for futures as well. Sure, if you like the thrill of gambling, you could let it ride and hope for the big payout, but, your bankroll will experience a lot more variance, and with enough variance, you can see your bankroll dwindle down to $0 before you have a chance to go on a hot streak.

    All feedback is welcome, I expect a lot of it.
  • rm18
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 09-20-05
    • 22291

    #2
    if you are going to hedge the last wager of a 7 teamer then you should just put in a 6 teamer, hegding a parlay does not make sense, hedging a future does sometimes
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    • milwaukee mike
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 08-22-07
      • 26914

      #3
      the times i like to hedge is on future wagers where it is down to 4 teams (or 2).

      for example when i had the patriots to win the super bowl, i hedged it off by taking the giants which was an easy decision as a big money line dog. also back when georgia tech made the final four i had them at 75-1 before the season started, hedged off the last two games and made some good money instead of making nothing.
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      • milwaukee mike
        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
        • 08-22-07
        • 26914

        #4
        good point rm18, plus it's often quite difficult to hedge a 7-team parlay because almost all the time those first 6 games won't be final before the last one starts.
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        • forsberg21
          SBR MVP
          • 09-23-09
          • 1851

          #5
          Originally posted by rm18
          if you are going to hedge the last wager of a 7 teamer then you should just put in a 6 teamer, hegding a parlay does not make sense, hedging a future does sometimes
          RM, there were 2 minutes between my post and your reply. I have a feeling you read the first paragraph, at most.
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          • forsberg21
            SBR MVP
            • 09-23-09
            • 1851

            #6
            Originally posted by rm18
            if you are going to hedge the last wager of a 7 teamer then you should just put in a 6 teamer, hegding a parlay does not make sense, hedging a future does sometimes
            Well then you just get in the same situation again. If you win the first 5 games of a 6 game parlay, then you can say that you should have just made a 5 team parlay, and so on.

            Think about that guy that won the $150,000 on that $500 a few weeks back. Good for him that he won, BUT, what if he had lost that final game. Instead of winning $150,000, he would have lost $500. With hedging, I'm sure he could have locked himself in for $60,000 to $70,000 profit. Without it, I'm sure he would have been suicidal for the first 48 hours.
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            • rm18
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 09-20-05
              • 22291

              #7
              That is true, but that is not the first time I thought about the subject. When you hedge a parlay you are making a large -EV wager and if you do this all the time this will cost you a lot of value and hurt you in the long run.

              When you hedge a future sometimes you might actually like the side you are hedging but in a parlay you are going against the correct side if you made a good parlay.
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              • msubulldog
                SBR Sharp
                • 01-10-08
                • 427

                #8
                in the past year have bet some 4 and 5 team parlays for fun using free play money. on the parlays with everything in that I did not hedge I lost the last bet over 80% of time. the few times I hedged this with the remaining bet I won the parlay around 60% of time.

                for me only hedge if you want to win parlay as it is unbelievable how high the losing % is on non hedged bets.

                did have a 8 teamer a few years ago $10 win 5200.00 and had last game a late game; everything in except for 7th game which went into extra innings and could not hedge, as did not want big money on side I did not like. was lucky to win extra inning game and last leg for the 5200.00 but was sweating it out.

                good luck
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                • forsberg21
                  SBR MVP
                  • 09-23-09
                  • 1851

                  #9
                  Originally posted by rm18
                  That is true, but that is not the first time I thought about the subject. When you hedge a parlay you are making a large -EV wager and if you do this all the time this will cost you a lot of value and hurt you in the long run. When you hedge a future sometimes you might actually like the side you are hedging but in a parlay you are going against the correct side if you made a good parlay.
                  Theoretically, you are ALWAYS making a -EV wager everytime you play, because of the juice. Every single bet in your parlay is -EV. By parlaying, you are multiplying all of this -EV into even more -EV. I know I sound cynical, but that's the way it is. The game thing goes for futures, unless of course you can find a line that you judge to be +EV. But this is all arbitrary of course.

                  Go back to that Deal or No Deal scenario I gave, would anybody in their right mind go through with that proposition if they actually knew what they were doing???
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                  • UntilTheNDofTimE
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 05-29-08
                    • 9285

                    #10
                    there is no longhaul if your placing 5-7 team parlays you will go broke early and often
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                    • Johnny 55
                      Restricted User
                      • 05-16-09
                      • 1079

                      #11
                      Simple concepts of utility. Depends on what your bankroll is and how much the money means to you personally in relation to your net worth. Few people would take who had $100,000 to their name would risk it all on a net where you had a 60% chance of winning, but if you are worth a couple million you jump all over that 60% opportunity. Also, depends on your mental capability, a true pro, who has a large bankroll and understands ups and downs would never hedge out but then again a true pro probably wouldnt be making 8 team parlay bets so I digress.
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