WTO Internet Gambling Compensation Claim Ruling Expected Nov 30

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  • bigboydan
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 08-10-05
    • 55420

    #1
    WTO Internet Gambling Compensation Claim Ruling Expected Nov 30
    Looks like the U.S. isn't going to get off as cheap as they might have thought they were.


    Mark Mendel, winning trade attorney for Antigua & Barbuda in their WTO case against the United States - over a protectionist US Internet gambling law passed in late 2006 - said today that he expects a decision on their $3.4 billion per year compensation claim from a WTO panel on November 30th.

    Mendel told the three person WTO panel that Antigua should be paid $3.4b per year in compensation from the US for lost revenues as a result of the new US prohibition. The US responded by saying that at the very most they will pay $500,000 in compensation, because $3.4b is more than Antigua's entire yearly economy.

    Many in the gambling industry, and those in the business community in the UK, and other prominent places around the world who are following this case closely, took the $500,000 remark by the US trade rep. as an insult.

    Gordon Price, gambling analyst for Casino Gambling Web, believes still that, "many companies around the world are fearful of the US' actions in this case even though the other countries have right on their side."

    Mendel said today, however, that the money made from online gambling in Antigua is not reported in their yearly economy statistics, and he insisted that the $3.4 billion claim was justified.

    He said the companies who operate out of Antigua do not report their profits to the government (they do not have to by Antigua law) in fear that the US will go after the company employees and owners.

    The exact number the three person WTO panel comes up with may not be $3.4 billion, it could be more or it could be less, but Mendel strongly believes it will not be near the $500,000 the US said it should be.

    Mendel and his clients are actually already planning on how to implement the sanctions for their compensation claims.

    He told the Antigua Sun that the publicly mentioned methods, such as selling copyrighted materials, are not nearly the only methods they will use to retain the money owed to them as declared by the WTO on November 30th.

    "We haven't fully and completely flushed out precisely what we're going to do or how we're going to do it. There is no rush to do it. I think once we get it, it'll be a pretty big weapon in our hands and we can take our time in deciding how to apply it," Mendel said.
  • durito
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-03-06
    • 13173

    #2
    Originally posted by bigboydan
    Looks like the U.S. isn't going to get off as cheap as they might have thought they were.

    They'll get off for nothing as they just won't pay. We owe hundreds of millions of back dues to the UN and refuse to pay them. The US only believes in international law and organizations when it suits them.
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    • Seattle Slew
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 01-02-06
      • 7373

      #3
      The U.S. will continue to simply ignore/stall any ruling that comes out. They only play by their rules.

      They'd rather give citizenship to terrorists than do anything to help/promote gambling.
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      • bigloser
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 07-19-06
        • 787

        #4
        Originally posted by Seattle Slew
        The U.S. will continue to simply ignore/stall any ruling that comes out. They only play by their rules.
        When the ruling comes out it is out on the US hands. Thsi is what people dont get.
        No money will change hands Antigua will just be free to no longer respect its obligations. This will not just benefit Antigua but the whole world.
        It will really screw US business.
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        • increasedodds
          SBR Wise Guy
          • 01-20-06
          • 819

          #5
          The U.S. will never pay a cent to Antigua. Antigua and other countries will likely be free to ignore U.S. intellectual property. How is Microsoft gonna feel when you can download Office for $5? How about Pfizer when their drugs are being sold cheap?

          Now the question is does Antigua have the balls to do it?

          If they do, defining when $3.xbn dollars have been taken will be impossible...

          Sean
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          • jon13009
            SBR MVP
            • 09-22-07
            • 1258

            #6
            I doubt the US Govt will take the WTO fines seriously.

            Otherwise it will just likely package the fines as "foreign aid" and sweep the whole thing under a rug somewhere.
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            • bigloser
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 07-19-06
              • 787

              #7
              Originally posted by jon13009
              I doubt the US Govt will take the WTO fines seriously.

              They are NOT fines

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              • Willie Bee
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 02-14-06
                • 15726

                #8
                Originally posted by increasedodds
                How about Pfizer when their drugs are being sold cheap?
                Many drugs are already being sold cheaper to other countries than they are to U.S. outfits.

                Mendel said today, however, that the money made from online gambling in Antigua is not reported in their yearly economy statistics, and he insisted that the $3.4 billion claim was justified.

                He said the companies who operate out of Antigua do not report their profits to the government (they do not have to by Antigua law) in fear that the US will go after the company employees and owners.
                Going to have to call bullsh¡t on this bit. If Antigua really did set it up for gambling operations not to report their revenues because they were afraid of US retailiation, then it was because they entered into this business knowing they were possibly already in violation of US laws BEFORE the latest changes in the law. Quit pissin' on my leg and telling me it's raining, Mr. Mendel.
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                • bigloser
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 07-19-06
                  • 787

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Willie Bee
                  Going to have to call bullsh¡t on this bit. If Antigua really did set it up for gambling operations not to report their revenues because they were afraid of US retailiation, then it was because they entered into this business knowing they were possibly already in violation of US laws BEFORE the latest changes in the law. Quit pissin' on my leg and telling me it's raining, Mr. Mendel.
                  This is not the case. It is the same in most tax havens, reporting requirements for offshore companies (all offshore companies not just gambling) are minimal.
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                  • Rollins08
                    SBR MVP
                    • 04-20-07
                    • 1337

                    #10
                    Originally posted by bigloser
                    When the ruling comes out it is out on the US hands. Thsi is what people dont get.
                    No money will change hands Antigua will just be free to no longer respect its obligations. This will not just benefit Antigua but the whole world.
                    It will really screw US business.
                    If this is really such a big deal than how come nobody outside the gambling community has picked up on it. The only news I ever hear on it is from this forum.
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                    • Willie Bee
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 02-14-06
                      • 15726

                      #11
                      Originally posted by bigloser
                      This is not the case. It is the same in most tax havens, reporting requirements for offshore companies (all offshore companies not just gambling) are minimal.
                      What other 'industries' operating within their country has Antigua exempted from reporting revenues/profits? I'm calling bullsh¡t on what the lawyer said, not how Antigua operates.
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                      • bigloser
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 07-19-06
                        • 787

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Willie Bee
                        What other 'industries' operating within their country has Antigua exempted from reporting revenues/profits? I'm calling bullsh¡t on what the lawyer said, not how Antigua operates.
                        All companies that dont trade with locals


                        "The benefits of going offshore in Antigua are numerous. The International Business Corporation Act of 1982 facilitates minimal reporting requirements as well as simple and fast incorporation procedures of IBC’s in Antigua. As well as strict confidentiality codes, it provides exemption from local taxes for up to 50 years if the company does not carry on trade within Antigua. An IBC in Antigua has no capital requirements and is not subject to exchange controls or currency controls"
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                        • bigloser
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 07-19-06
                          • 787

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Rollins08
                          If this is really such a big deal than how come nobody outside the gambling community has picked up on it. The only news I ever hear on it is from this forum.
                          It has been mentioned in UK press.

                          It isnt such a big deal, the US will have to compromise, just stalling as long as possible.

                          The penalties are too high.
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                          • bigloser
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 07-19-06
                            • 787

                            #14
                            Recently in press

                            America's top poker players descended on Washington earlier this week to lobby politicians to rescind the controversial law prohibiting online gambling. By John Sterlicchi in Florida.
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                            • Rollins08
                              SBR MVP
                              • 04-20-07
                              • 1337

                              #15
                              Columbia should try and get compensation from the for US prohibition of illegal drugs.
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