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  • pico
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    • 04-05-07
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    #1
    OT: this is why western union to mexico is big business
    MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- For 11 years, Pedro Zapeta, an illegal immigrant from Guatemala, lived his version of the American dream in Stuart, Florida: washing dishes and living frugally to bring money back to his home country.


    Pedro Zapeta, an illegal immigrant, managed to save $59,000 while working as a dishwasher for 11 years.

    1 of 2 Two years ago, Zapeta was ready to return to Guatemala, so he carried a duffel bag filled with $59,000 -- all the cash he had scrimped and saved over the years -- to the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport.

    But when Zapeta tried to go through airport security, an officer spotted the money in the bag and called U.S. customs officials.

    "They asked me how much money I had," Zapeta recalled, speaking to CNN in Spanish.

    He told the customs officials $59,000. At that point, U.S. customs seized his money, setting off a two-year struggle for Zapeta to get it back.

    Zapeta, who speaks no English, said he didn't know he was running afoul of U.S. law by failing to declare he was carrying more than $10,000 with him. Anyone entering or leaving the country with more than $10,000 has to fill out a one-page form declaring the money to U.S. customs.

    Officials initially accused Zapeta of being a courier for the drug trade, but they dropped the allegation once he produced pay stubs from restaurants where he had worked. Zapeta earned $5.50 an hour at most of the places where he washed dishes. When he learned to do more, he got a 25-cent raise.

    After customs officials seized the money, they turned Zapeta over to the Immigration and Naturalization Service. The INS released him but began deportation proceedings. For two years, Zapeta has had two attorneys working pro bono: one on his immigration case, the other trying to get his money back.

    "They are treating me like a criminal when all I am is a working man," he said.


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    Zapeta's story became public last year on CNN and in The Palm Beach Post newspaper, prompting well-wishers to give him nearly $10,000 -- money that now sits in a trust.

    Robert Gershman, one of Zapeta's attorneys, said federal prosecutors later offered his client a deal: He could take $10,000 of the original cash seized, plus $9,000 in donations as long as he didn't talk publicly and left the country immediately.

    Zapeta said, "No." He wanted all his money. He'd earned it, he said.

    Now, according to Gershman, the Internal Revenue Service wants access to the donated cash to cover taxes on the donations and on the money Zapeta made as a dishwasher. Zapeta admits he never paid taxes.

    CNN contacted the U.S. Attorneys office in Miami, U.S. Customs and the IRS about Zapeta's case. They all declined to comment.

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    Marisol Zequeira, an immigration lawyer, said illegal immigrants such as Zapeta have few options when dealing with the U.S. government.

    "When you are poor, uneducated and illegal, your avenues are cut," he said.

    On Wednesday, Zapeta went to immigration court and got more bad news. The judge gave the dishwasher until the end of January to leave the country on his own. He's unlikely to see a penny of his money.

    "I am desperate," Zapeta said. "I no longer feel good about this country."

    Zapeta said his goal in coming to the United States was to make enough money to buy land in his mountain village and build a home for his mother and sisters. He sent no money back to Guatemala over the years, he said, and planned to bring it all home at once.

    At Wednesday's hearing, Zapeta was given official status in the United States -- voluntary departure -- and a signed order from a judge. For the first time, he can work legally in the U.S.

    By the end of January, Zapeta may be able to earn enough money to pay for a one-way ticket home so the U.S. government, which seized his $59,000, doesn't have to do so.
  • pico
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    • 04-05-07
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    #2
    correction, the guy was from gutamala.
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    • louisvillekid
      SBR Hall of Famer
      • 08-14-07
      • 9263

      #3
      i kinda feel bad for the guy. i know here in louisville there is a part of town where alot of hispanics live, and there is all kinds of check cashing places that offer moneygram and western union, you always see hispanics hanging out around them. most of the young hispanics live in crappy apartment complexes, they pack as many as they can in a one bedroom apartment and they send almost all their money back home to family.
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      • pico
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        • 04-05-07
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        #4
        but once they retire, they can live in a house back in their village. better than working in mexico
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        • ritehook
          SBR MVP
          • 08-12-06
          • 2244

          #5
          This is a good argument for a legitimate Guest Worker program - one NOT tied to eventual legalization and amnesty.

          All most of these uneducated and unskilled guys want to do is to earn enough here to go back home and buy a little house and a small local business. Many of the little businesses in Mexico were funded by illegals working for a while in the U.S. Like restaurants, shoe repair,etc

          A true guest worker program wll NOT offer citizenship at any time. It WILL deduct taxes and social security. It WILL pay minimum wage and offer the same protections as Americans get. It WILL allow work only after the business makes documented efforts to hire Americans for the job. It WILL hold back around 25% of the net earnings to be paid to the worker once he is back in his own country.

          Not too many Americans want to wash dishes at minimum wage. Or even at double minimum wage. You can't even get lazy gringo kids to cut lawns anymore. So the Pedros fill a need.

          The guy was going home, permanently. Not staying here, going on welfare, bringing his family, etc.

          The US govt should give him back his money and let him go. All these little shit bureaucrats are interested in is getting confiscated money to better fund their own little shit depts
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          • BatemanPatrickl
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 06-21-07
            • 18772

            #6
            Originally posted by ritehook
            This is a good argument for a legitimate Guest Worker program - one NOT tied to eventual legalization and amnesty.

            All most of these uneducated and unskilled guys want to do is to earn enough here to go back home and buy a little house and a small local business. Many of the little businesses in Mexico were funded by illegals working for a while in the U.S.

            A true guest worker program wll NOT offer citizenship at any time. It WILL deduct taxes and social security. It WILL pay minimum wage and offer the same protections as Americans get. It WILL allow work only after the business makes documented efforts to hire Americans for the job. It WILL hold back around 25% of the net earnings to be paid to the worker once he is back in his own country.

            Not too many Americans want to was dishes at minimum wage. Or even at double minimum wage. You can't even get lazy gringo kids to cut lawns anymore. So the Pedros fill a need.

            The guy was going home, permanently. Not staying here, going on welfare, bringing his family, etc.

            The US govt should give him back his money and let him go. All these little shit bureaucrats are interested in is getting confiscated money to better fund their own little shit depts
            Bottom line here is the guy was here illegally and doesn't deserve a thing. Did he use the roads that my taxes paid for? Yes he did and he used them to make money for himself. Sucks when the script is flipped but he should get his money back MINUS any taxes and interest owed.
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            • paul Mordeeb
              SBR High Roller
              • 05-12-07
              • 220

              #7
              He should of took $10,000 plus the $9,000. Because now he is going to owe taxes on 11 years of wages, (Has to be about $120,000 that he owes taxes on if he lived on $400 a month)
              Taxes, penilties, intrest owed......going to make that $19,000 look hugh!

              Just hand this over to the IRS and let the guy go home with what they leave him with!!! I'm sure they will show him the same decentcy they showed me at my last Audit!!!!
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              • ritehook
                SBR MVP
                • 08-12-06
                • 2244

                #8
                Originally posted by BatemanPatrickl
                Bottom line here is the guy was here illegally and doesn't deserve a thing. Did he use the roads that my taxes paid for? Yes he did and he used them to make money for himself. Sucks when the script is flipped but he should get his money back MINUS any taxes and interest owed.
                What about the restaurant that hired him, surely knowing he was illegal?

                Let's have the feds seize the restaurant and sell it at auction, and give the proceeds to the litttle shit bureaucrats so greedy for money that does not belong to them.

                As Pat Buchanan has stated in State of Emergency, on the menace of illegal immigration, it's American business, big and small, that fuels this Thrid World invasion of America.

                Forget the bull about it being a "liberal" program. Modern sentimental liberalism supplies the words, the flammable ink and paper for globalist money-thinking, but the mailed fist of unregulated global capitalism holds the torch that lights it up, burning down the nations as we knew them. (The glories of a borderless world have long been the watchwords of the editorial pages of Wall St Journal, Barrons, all those corporate pimps.)

                If you're a "capitalism forever" ideologue, you're directly responsible for the problem. The corporations here call the tune that the rest of dance to. That is why the putative "conservative" Bush tried to scam his followers by pushing for amnesty. And why his guest worker program was tied to amnesty and permanent citizenship.

                I've known poor and lower middle class Mexicans who speak English and could easily cross the border and get a good job in the U.S. (One very good, young mechanic was offered a job by a manager of Pep Boys, who knew full well he was a citizen of another country without a green card.) But they don't want their kids living in a gang-infested neighborhood, and so stay home.

                They see the USA as economically good, but culturally bad - ie, a good place to work to make and save money, but a bad place to live.

                A solid guest worker program is a solution. Either that or another 1930s type depression that will teach soft, hedonistic gringo kids the value of work --- any kind of work.
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                • BatemanPatrickl
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 06-21-07
                  • 18772

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ritehook
                  What about the restaurant that hired him, surely knowing he was illegal?

                  Let's have the feds seize the restaurant and sell it at auction, and give the proceeds to the litttle shit bureaucrats so greedy for money that does not belong to them.

                  As Pat Buchanan has stated in State of Emergency, on the menace of illegal immigration, it's American business, big and small, that fuels this Thrid World invasion of America.

                  Forget the bull about it being a "liberal" program. Modern sentimental liberalism supplies the words, the flammable ink and paper for globalist money-thinking, but the mailed fist of unregulated global capitalism holds the torch that lights it up, burning down the nations as we knew them. (The glories of a borderless world have long been the watchwords of the editorial pages of Wall St Journal, Barrons, all those corporate pimps.)

                  If you're a "capitalism forever" ideologue, you're directly responsible for the problem. The corporations here call the tune that the rest of dance to. That is why the putative "conservative" Bush tried to scam his followers by pushing for amnesty. And why his guest worker program was tied to amnesty and permanent citizenship.

                  I've known poor and lower middle class Mexicans who speak English and could easily cross the border and get a good job in the U.S. (One very good, young mechanic was offered a job by a manager of Pep Boys, who knew full well he was a citizen of another country without a green card.) But they don't want their kids living in a gang-infested neighborhood, and so stay home.

                  They see the USA as economically good, but culturally bad - ie, a good place to work to make and save money, but a bad place to live.

                  A solid guest worker program is a solution. Either that or another 1930s type depression that will teach soft, hedonistic gringo kids the value of work --- any kind of work.
                  The liberal garbage you post daily makes me sick to my stomach. Have you ever stolen something or taken something that is not yours? Why would they seize and auction the restaurant? A think a fine is in order...

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                  • atakdog
                    SBR High Roller
                    • 09-04-07
                    • 139

                    #10
                    Why do we need a guest worker program when there are unemployed citizens looking for work? And if you're going to argue that those people won't work as hard as the illegals, maybe the employers aren't paying them enough.

                    The guy broke the law by coming here, broke the law by staying, probably broke numerous tax laws, and finally broke the law by failing to declare the currency upon leaving, a charge to which ignorance of that law is not a defense. The feds seized the money, and that seizure was fully justified by the law. (Yes, the seizure of every penny.) And we feel sorry for him because...?

                    Re the OP's topic, I'd love to ** prosecuted for its role in encouraging illegal entry to the US -- I'm sure a creative US Attorney could put that charge together, if he had the balls.
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                    • Willie Bee
                      SBR Posting Legend
                      • 02-14-06
                      • 15726

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ritehook
                      This is a good argument for a legitimate Guest Worker program - one NOT tied to eventual legalization and amnesty.
                      Amen, ritehook.

                      A true guest worker program that wasn't politicized and filled with attachments full of pork for both parties would do the trick from where I sit. Include stiff penalties for those who try and skirt it, both the workers and the employers. Those working under such a program would NOT be here illegally and would be paying their share of taxes.

                      I can recall 40-odd years ago going to my abuelito's ranch each spring and everyone knew there were thousands of illegals working on those ranches during shearing season. EVERYONE knew, the border patrol, local Johnny Law, everyone. When work at one ranch was done, that rancher and the next ranch over would load the Mexicans up in their pickups and take them to the next ranch. Going down the highway you might pass the sheriff or DPS or INS coming the other way, and all that happened was an exchange of waves. When the work was over, everyone went home.

                      Yes, there are Americans looking for work. I've been one of them a couple of times in my life as a result of layoffs. I found work both times with relative ease. The argument against a guest worker program based on the fact there are unemployed citizens here is total garbage. I've got no hard evidence, no hard proof, but I feel safe in saying that at least 50% of the people out of work right now don't want to work. I've taken very low-paying jobs, worked with illegals myself in landscaping one time, in order to at least put some coin in my pockets while looking for a better job. Bitching about being out of work while thinking that one job or another is beneath you won't get one drop of sympathy from me.

                      Put the money from this taxpayer boondoggle of a wall into the Social Security system and put a true and fair guest worker program on the books that is free from DC pork.
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