OT: President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
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BuddyBearSBR Hall of Famer
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ritehookSBR MVP
- 08-12-06
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#37Trust me, I am very much for academic freedom and the pursuit of scholarship and indeed any questions about the Holocaust deserve serious scholarly consideration. And I agree that any attempt to suppress "Holocaust deniers" from their Constitutional rights to free speech should be frowned upon. It's the Holocaust deniers who need our support the most when it comes to being able to express their views...no matter what you think of them you have to allow them to speak and publish.
That being the case, the question about whether the Holocaust happened or not I think is thoroughly well established in the sense that there was a systemtic effort to eliminate the entire Jewish population from Europe using inhumane methods and a racist ideology. I don't think debating whether it was whether gas chambers or starvation or however they died should take away from the broader claim that a "Holocaust" happened. How that happened and how many died and other details should be the subject of scholoary debate and inquiry.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but most importantly, everyone's opinions and views should be given the same respect and treatment no matter what anyone thinks.
Amen to that, BBComment -
Art VandeleighSBR MVP
- 12-31-06
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#38Adolf Hitler was a man with a plan.
His vision was a 1000 year Reich, where the Aryan race would be masters of Europe, and beyond.
The Nazis wanted to conquer territories in Eastern Europe and Russia for natural resources and living space ("lebensraum") for the master Aryan race.
Jews, Gypsies, Communists and other "enemies" of the Nazi state were to be liquidated ASAP, either by execution or by being worked to death.
All 11,000,000 Jews in Europe and Russia were marked for death by the Nazis. Whether the Nazis only made it to killing 6,000,000 or 4,000,000 or whatever number you care to believe, it was only because they didn't have enough time to finish the job.
Those people the Nazis conquered who were classified as "lower" type humans (but not enemies), such as the Slavs, well their destiny in a Nazi regime was to be slaves for the Aryans.
For 1,000 years.
Adolf Hitler. A man with a plan.
Here is a recording of Himmler talking about the extermination of Jews to Nazi officers.
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Hoja VerdesSBR MVP
- 08-23-06
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#39I actually had a little respect for the guy until the "we have no homosexuals in Iran" comment.
If anyone has read any Jared Diamond, he pegs the naturally occuring gay population in any culture at around 5-8%.Comment -
jon13009SBR MVP
- 09-22-07
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#40Holocaust Questions
I agree that a basic right of all Americans is their right to free speech. While there will always be a fraction of people that will question the holocaust figures, there will also be a fraction of the population that will argue for white supremacy and legalized weed. Somehow the "American people" can see through most of the hype and figure out which way to go. Let's hope we don't regress too far to see that the Holocaust was a lesson to be learned and not something to question and repeat.Comment -
ShamsWoof10SBR MVP
- 11-15-06
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That being the case, the question about whether the Holocaust happened or not I think is thoroughly well established in the sense that there was a systemtic effort to eliminate the entire Jewish population from Europe using inhumane methods and a racist ideology. I don't think debating whether it was whether gas chambers or starvation or however they died should take away from the broader claim that a "Holocaust" happened. How that happened and how many died and other details should be the subject of scholoary debate and inquiry.
The propaganda of the "Holocaust" was to use it to aid in establishing the state of Isreal... This they had to do since they (meaning the elite) want Jeruselum as the global capital of this "Global Social State" they have been constructing for the last 100 or more years...
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WileOutSBR MVP
- 02-04-07
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#42Shamswoof I have to say that you are so ignorant you dont even seem real to me. The holocaust is recognized by every culture in the world other than the terrorist-sponsoring cultures. The reason why they dont recognize it is because they dont want to believe that a christian was responsible for killing more jews than any muslim ever has. They believe jews, christians, and athiests are all infidels and of the devil. Recognizing the holocaust would be giving a christian country credit for something they think is good.
Ahmadinejad has called for death to every american and jew. The guy is a bonified genocidal lunatic. He will admit that he wants to kill every jew in the world. If you are american he would love to torture you and your family then kill you. How can any american or jew support him or give him any credit?Comment -
ShamsWoof10SBR MVP
- 11-15-06
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#43
The holocaust is recognized by every culture in the world other than the terrorist-sponsoring cultures. The reason why they dont recognize it is because they dont want to believe that a christian was responsible for killing more jews than any muslim ever has. They believe jews, christians, and athiests are all infidels and of the devil. Recognizing the holocaust would be giving a christian country credit for something they think is good.
Ahmadinejad has called for death to every american and jew. The guy is a bonified genocidal lunatic. He will admit that he wants to kill every jew in the world. If you are american he would love to torture you and your family then kill you. How can any american or jew support him or give him any credit?
Hey ya'll for sh*ts and giggles ..since I believe the global leaders are all more like WWF wrestlers reading scripts to us the audience let's assign each leader a charter...
I would like to give GW the Hulk Hogan role but there has to be a better fit.. any ideas..?
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WileOutSBR MVP
- 02-04-07
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#44
-The Prophet Mohammed (The founder of the islamic religion)
*Quote taken from the Hadith, which records the acts and sayings of Mohammed.Comment -
ritehookSBR MVP
- 08-12-06
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#45Ahmadinejad has called for death to every american and jew. The guy is a bonified genocidal lunatic. He will admit that he wants to kill every jew in the world. If you are american he would love to torture you and your family then kill you. How can any american or jew support him or give him any credit?
Well, WO, were I a book I'd set the money line for the accuracy of your statements at +10000. Even worse than Arizona winning the Super Bowl.
Give us chapter and verse for: "Ahmadinejad has called for death to every american and jew . . . He will admit that he wants to kill every jew in the world. If you are american he would love to torture you and your family then kill you."
Too bad political discourse in the US isn't like sports betting, where one can back up speculations and opinions with cold cash.
In fact, ADJ never even called for the physical destruction of Israel, as was widely reported in the mass media. Juan Cole, who I think is a prof at Univ of Michigan but I know is an expert on Iran and fluent in Farsi, has translated the speech in question, where the Iranian supposedly said, "Israel will be wiped off the map." Unfortunately for the prop masters, he never said any such thing.
Rather, ADJ was directly quoting the deceased Khomeini, wherein that late ayotullah said that the Israeli regime will disappear from history. Much like conservatives from 1917 to 1990 predicted the Soviet regime would disappear one day.
There was no talk of killing, of wiping out, of mass murder. These charges sound to me like sparks flying from the ever-turning wheels of propaganda, to intiate a war on Iran, a war that is directly contrary to America's best interests.
But as a great American writer once said: "Nobody ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the American people."Comment -
ShamsWoof10SBR MVP
- 11-15-06
- 4827
#46"The resurrection of the dead will not come until the Muslims will war with the Jews and the Muslims will kill them.....the trees and the rocks will say, 'O Muslim, here is a Jew behind me, come and kill him'"*
-The Prophet Mohammed (The founder of the islamic religion)
*Quote taken from the Hadith, which records the acts and sayings of Mohammed.
Find where it says that in the Koran for me and I'll completely take a back seat and admit I am wrong...
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ShamsWoof10SBR MVP
- 11-15-06
- 4827
#47Ahmadinejad has called for death to every american and jew. The guy is a bonified genocidal lunatic. He will admit that he wants to kill every jew in the world. If you are american he would love to torture you and your family then kill you. How can any american or jew support him or give him any credit?
Well, WO, were I a book I'd set the money line for the accuracy of your statements at +10000. Even worse than Arizona winning the Super Bowl.
Give us chapter and verse for: "Ahmadinejad has called for death to every american and jew . . . He will admit that he wants to kill every jew in the world. If you are american he would love to torture you and your family then kill you."
Too bad political discourse in the US isn't like sports betting, where one can back up speculations and opinions with cold cash.
In fact, ADJ never even called for the physical destruction of Israel, as was widely reported in the mass media. Juan Cole, who I think is a prof at Univ of Michigan but I know is an expert on Iran and fluent in Farsi, has translated the speech in question, where the Iranian supposedly said, "Israel will be wiped off the map." Unfortunately for the prop masters, he never said any such thing.
Rather, ADJ was directly quoting the deceased Khomeini, wherein that late ayotullah said that the Israeli regime will disappear from history. Much like conservatives from 1917 to 1990 predicted the Soviet regime would disappear one day.
There was no talk of killing, of wiping out, of mass murder. These charges sound to me like sparks flying from the ever-turning wheels of propaganda, to intiate a war on Iran, a war that is directly contrary to America's best interests.
But as a great American writer once said: "Nobody ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of the American people."
ALL OF IT!
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WileOutSBR MVP
- 02-04-07
- 3844
#48
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends." (Surah 5:51)
ritehook yours is coming right up hang tight.Comment -
ritehookSBR MVP
- 08-12-06
- 2244
#50
As Juan Cole, an expert in Farsi, the language of the Iranians, has said, ADJ was calling for an end to the "Zionist state" and in favor of a one-state solution that would give equal footing to both Arabs and Jews. Zionists consider that a poison pill, but some Israelis and a significant number of American Jews consider it viable. As it is, Israel is an oppresive state, similar to what South Africa (a one-time close ally) used to be.
In any case, the Iranian leader was not calling for viollence against Israel, Jews, or anyone else. Statements to the contrary, and the hysteria in NYC surroundng his visit, is all part a vicious and mendacious campaign to suck the US further into the Mideast imbroglio, with an attack on Iran.
The same wonderful folks who brought you the UIGEA are chomping on the bit to strike down the putative "madman" and the country he represents. All, of course, in our own best interests. LOL on that baby.
Put me solidly in the "opposed" camp on this one!Comment -
slacker00SBR Posting Legend
- 10-06-05
- 12262
#51Ahmadinejad seems to have some crazy ideas, but I'm very impressed that he's given a forum to speak openly in the U.S. It really lends credibility to the U.S. for a change. Let Ahmadinejad hang himself with his own words. Eventually people will see him for what he is and just ignore him. I've heard that according to public polls in Iran, Ahmadinejad won't even get reelected. Don't worry about Ahmadinejad, Ahmadinejad will be yesterday's news before too long. A footnote in history at best. I wish the same could be said for GW.
I wonder how Ahmadinejad would stack up against GW in U.S. public opinion polls. At least Ahmadinejad is a straight shooter, even if his target carries some scrutiny. GW is just a wild gunman shooting recklessly at imaginary targets.Comment
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