[Grits n' Gravy]

The piece of shit shooter was a lifetime loser on vp at Venetian and Caesars properties.

[jjgold]

Where the heck did guy get all this cash?

Even had apartments in LA

[KVB]

I think the basic answer would be to monitor the Progressive meter. Jackpot could be hi enuf to be +EV and merit action.

Actually, this can be part of it. Trying to nail down the individual machine is much more difficult. Also, you don't always have to hit the progressive, the machines will pay out other ways as well. One real benefit is that you can earn a lot of points on the card while churning at the machine.

Watching someone feed the machine is some serious old school slot thinking, but if you are seeing the hands that are coming, then I don't know. Trying to turn a cold machine hot is a tough one.

That said, I can't tell you the number of times I've seen some old lady follow someone who just "fed the machine" and hit something right away.

[jjgold]

I think fishhead had some sort of a handheld meter I don’t know exactly But he got an edge by watching people play machines And knowing when to attack

[d2bets]

The piece of shit shooter was a lifetime loser on vp at Venetian and Caesars properties.

I was in Vegas this weekend. Talked to a pit guy at MGM who said he played only vp at MGM properties and was a lifetime winner.

[MickeyMan]

I was in Vegas this weekend. Talked to a pit guy at MGM who said he played only vp at MGM properties and was a lifetime winner.

Stay in your lane d2

[d2bets]

Stay in your lane d2

My lane is facts. Now go run away.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Boxing Odds:

Mickey Man -130
d2bets +120

[milwaukee mike]

Actually, this can be part of it. Trying to nail down the individual machine is much more difficult. Also, you don't always have to hit the progressive, the machines will pay out other ways as well. One real benefit is that you can earn a lot of points on the card while churning at the machine.

Watching someone feed the machine is some serious old school slot thinking, but if you are seeing the hands that are coming, then I don't know. Trying to turn a cold machine hot is a tough one.

That said, I can't tell you the number of times I've seen some old lady follow someone who just "fed the machine" and hit something right away.

fishhead is just waiting for someone to leave a progressive slot, or a progressive royal on video poker, that is in a +ev situation

tough way to make an easy living... could be sitting there all night while they keep pulling money out of their pocket or they sit there for another 1/2 hour after they're broke waiting for their old fart husband to come back from taking a long shit

[Grits n' Gravy]

I was in Vegas this weekend. Talked to a pit guy at MGM who said he played only vp at MGM properties and was a lifetime winner.

A guy working the pit wouldn't know jack shit about a hl slot player though. The suits walking around in the pits are middle mgmt at best. Higher end players play everywhere unless they have been 86d from a place or owe money to a casino for markers. The screenshot sent to me today of his play at Caesars is fairly recent and very small. He played a lot at the Rio in 14/15 and then moved over to Caesars in 16.

[EmpireMaker]

A guy working the pit wouldn't know jack shit about a hl slot player though. The suits walking around in the pits are middle mgmt at best. Higher end players play everywhere unless they have been 86d from a place or owe money to a casino for markers. The screenshot sent to me today of his play at Caesars is fairly recent and very small. He played a lot at the Rio in 14/15 and then moved over to Caesars in 16.

You think the guy was going broke?

[Grits n' Gravy]

My lane is facts. Now go run away.

I'm sure the floor sup thought he was giving out good info but the truth is NO video poker players are lifetime winners unless they hit a $100 royal flush and never played again. Any that say otherwise are full of shit or consider getting a beer cooler or bbq tool set as freebie to be the same as cash. If a video poker player is beating the casinos on a regular basis they get backed off. Either via no offers or incentives to come in which usually runs them off or a permanent trespass. The only 2 names I can think of that were lifetime video poker winners are Houston Ma and Bill Granoff. Ma was a brilliant 21 player and became a very good vp player who played virtually perfect strategy and even if the cards didn't work out for him on a particular trip he would get anywhere from 5-15k in airfare from Asian marketing depending on his theo anytime he came in to play. The problem with that was he was a domestic player from Newport Beach and should have been given approx $500 for airfare. Ended up being overcomped and became unprofitable for the casinos. Granoff is Fishhead's idol. A comp chaser who leveraged the freebies with solid strategy. He supplemented years of losing by finding suckers to pay him for lessons on vp and comp chasing. He ended up getting restricted from most places not so much for winning but just general pain in the ass.

[MickeyMan]

Boxing Odds:

Mickey Man -130
d2bets +120

[Grits n' Gravy]

You think the guy was going broke?

No clue.

The stuff I saw had him as a $1-$5 vp player who occasionally dabbled at the $10-$25 denoms. The jackpot screenshots I saw were all in the $1200-$4000 range with 2 of more than $20,000. Mind you that was over a 2 year span with visits seeming to occur every month. Just off coin in minus coin out and jps the numbers paint a guy who lost over time. Nothing extreme if he had a reasonably sized bankroll for those denoms.

[EmpireMaker]

I'm trying to figure out why he would plan an attack like this, doesn't seem like the type, seems like the type who enjoyed gambling, had money, had a GF had a house, why go on a suicide mission?

[vividjohn45]

Mike do you make good cash?

Fishhhesd makes $10-$12 an hr

He use to tell me to study machines and wait for people to put in a lot of money any no good payouts and then take machine when they lose and play for a long time and it should pay out.

Not to be rude but fugg $12 bux a hour. Lol. Why waste the time. ?

[d2bets]

I'm sure the floor sup thought he was giving out good info but the truth is NO video poker players are lifetime winners unless they hit a $100 royal flush and never played again. Any that say otherwise are full of shit or consider getting a beer cooler or bbq tool set as freebie to be the same as cash. If a video poker player is beating the casinos on a regular basis they get backed off. Either via no offers or incentives to come in which usually runs them off or a permanent trespass. The only 2 names I can think of that were lifetime video poker winners are Houston Ma and Bill Granoff. Ma was a brilliant 21 player and became a very good vp player who played virtually perfect strategy and even if the cards didn't work out for him on a particular trip he would get anywhere from 5-15k in airfare from Asian marketing depending on his theo anytime he came in to play. The problem with that was he was a domestic player from Newport Beach and should have been given approx $500 for airfare. Ended up being overcomped and became unprofitable for the casinos. Granoff is Fishhead's idol. A comp chaser who leveraged the freebies with solid strategy. He supplemented years of losing by finding suckers to pay him for lessons on vp and comp chasing. He ended up getting restricted from most places not so much for winning but just general pain in the ass.

It surprised me too. I didn't interrogate. He said they looked him up. I asked if he played any tables and he said no.

[The Giant]

I'm trying to figure out why he would plan an attack like this, doesn't seem like the type, seems like the type who enjoyed gambling, had money, had a GF had a house, why go on a suicide mission?

Maybe he had terminal brain cancer and was angry at the world. Maybe he was a selfish asshole and wanted to die in infamy. Who knows? We're likely never going to know.

Sometimes you can't understand pure evil.

People do inexplicable shit all the time.

[vividjohn45]

so a slot with a progressive must pay at 500 that is sitting on 499.99 isn't beatable?

How many those you see? None?

[vividjohn45]

Fishhead stands behind machines for hrs and watches and then when player leaves if he has edge he plays

Stalker grinder. Id call security on his fuggin creepy ass for bad luck.

[vividjohn45]

that i believe

waits for them to run out of money

good way to get beat up if they see you hit jackpot after they get up

Stalker grinder

[vividjohn45]

I have been with Fisher and literally watch him 3 hrs at bar with perfect angle to machines he has an interest in.

He would sip beer and just watch discreetly , very very patient guy

Stalker grinder and his apprentice

[jjgold]

Does anyone know what counter fishhead uses.

He carries some sort of clicker to record game times and money bet

How does it work??

[milwaukee mike]

Does anyone know what counter fishhead uses.

He carries some sort of clicker to record game times and money bet

How does it work??

why don't you ask him yourself

then fishhead can take 3 hours to tell you how great he is, and 3 seconds to explain the clicker

[Sam Odom]

-FH- may be back here full time again

heard his Free Plays across the street have dried up

[milwaukee mike]

-FH- may be back here full time again

heard his Free Plays across the street have dried up

just like his old balls

[LVHerbie]

Good article discussing the shooter and his vp play.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/0...-gambling.html

[jjgold]

Video Poker in Vegas now getting closely looked at because of shooter

It could hurt the comps and payout structure

They might change the game

[Auto Donk]

I'm trying to figure out why he would plan an attack like this, doesn't seem like the type, seems like the type who enjoyed gambling, had money, had a GF had a house, why go on a suicide mission?

we're gonna find it's the damn anti-depressant connection, I'm afraid..... started takin' that shit just this past june, and down he went.....

only real factor that changed in his life.....

[jjgold]

-FH- may be back here full time again

heard his Free Plays across the street have dried up

[Auto Donk]

Good article discussing the shooter and his vp play.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/0...-gambling.html

this one line from the article sums it up for me:

He was there to play, not to party.

you gotta be there to do both, otherwise your cork will become to tight, and ready to blow.....

[JAKEPEAVY21]

why don't you ask him yourself

then fishhead can take 3 hours to tell you how great he is, and 3 seconds to explain the clicker

[RudyRuetigger]

My lane is facts. Now go run away.

oh man that is hilarious

I had to check to make sure it wasn't april 1st

[opie1988]

From a post I made years ago regarding Fishhead's glamorous life as a VP pro.....

Fishhead & Herbie were tied up all day yesterday.

I saw where Fish posted last night that there was like a 6 hour wait in line at Sam's Town for all their VIP players to receive a free Sam's Town BBQ utensils set after filling up their stamp card.

He then met up with Herbie, where they went straight to Excalibur to fill up on cheese & crackers and enjoy a complimentary filtered water in their VIP lounge. This is where Fish also sharply took advantage of the free wifi to list the earlier mentioned BBQ utensils set on several low level internet swap sites. (he claims ebays exorbitant fees are -EV for advantage players.)

On the way out, Herbie led Fish on a insider tour of the Excaliburs vast hallways, where there was more than enough decadent desserts sitting on abandoned room service trays. These 2 pros filled their bellies, as well as their foil lined pockets (another sharps move), with the remnants of numerous high dollar, scrumptious desserts!

After all that, there simply wasn't time for much else. All part of the glamorous life of a Vegas Pro!

Living the dream....

[jjgold]

Fishhead banned 11 Properties throughout Nevada