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  • dante1
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    • 10-31-05
    • 38647

    #1
    One writer's opinion about using trends
    This article is dated but it doesn't change
    the validity of the argument.




    Methods to Madness

    Torn between two point-spread records? Feeling like a fool?

    By Bobby Smith

    A DISDAIN FOR TEAM POINT-SPREAD records – even those filtered by role – was expressed in our first issue of the 2005 football season. On the first weekend of college football 2005, investing “with the so-called trend” on the strongest winning and losing favorites and underdogs in each category from 2002-04, would have produced a 10-4 record. However, in the weeks since the opener, that record is 19-26, for an overall record of 29-30.

    That is called spinning your wheels. Wheel-spinners may think that this is a break-even approach. They might even be satisfied with it. But it is very much a loss. A double-loss, actually. Because the approach ignores reality. That reality is that as the strongest and weakest team records level off, others are beginning their respective ascents and descents into the never-ending, always changing circle of ‘’best’’ and ‘’worst.’’ And by the time these new teams have reached those points and are identified, it will be time for their records to level off, while others emerge to continue the cycle.

    Win or lose, the “Ship Has Sailed” approach teaches you nothing. The first time that a player loses a wager that was based on an individual team’s point-spread record should be a message to that player that this is not the way to go, and that there were other factors much more important that were missed. What were they?

    We’re only too happy to present situational point-spread records when they apply. The kind of records that comprise a larger sample across a range of teams all attempting to do the same thing in the same situation on a football field. This is a much more viable measuring stick than one team’s overall ATS record against 12 different opponents over 15 games in different places, many with different lead-ins, based solely on a Las Vegas number created outside the football field, with different players, and possibly different coaches, unaccounted for in the mix.

    From last week’s issue, there may have been only one individual point-spread record referred to in the NFL: Chargers 5-0 ATS as road underdogs since last season. The Chargers were a RECOMMENDED outright winner at New England. But that particular “record” was simply a supplement to the forecast as a whole. Certainly, New England’s 29-9 ATS over the last two-plus seasons was more impressive as a long-term trend. That record was not mentioned, because, in my estimation, it was not valid in this particular instance or in any other instance, really. What good is a long-term trend for one team, in the present? Three years from now, New England will NOT be 58-18 ATS over the last four-plus seasons!

    Can you now understand that in nearly any match-up, you’ll be able to find attractive point-spread records for either side? When choosing between two pretty girls, it would be nice to know a few “unseen” qualities that might separate them before the choice was made. That’s what a forecaster must do. Unearth the unseen. There are plenty of people out there who think that by virtue of looking at a match-up they way they want to, that they are engaging in the process of forecasting or handicapping. No way, Jose. Not even close.

    By the way, our member area at [] lists plenty of team point-spread records. Lots of people use them to find value in the teams with the weakest records, and overpriced teams with the strongest records. In point-spread play, it is always possible to guess right based on the least important reason. But those who are guessing right for the least important reason, and continue to do it that way, will eventually have more losses than wins. I think some call it “technical handicapping.” I also think technical handicappers are lazy and don’t want to do much work. Which is fine. Just don’t come knocking on my door.
  • Willie Bee
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 02-14-06
    • 15726

    #2
    Here again, Dante, I think trends work for some and are meaningless to others. Unless you just throw darts at the board, everyone uses stats to some degree. How deep you go, and what angle you venture off in to begin with on the stats sheet, is where we're all a bit different.
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    • durito
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 07-03-06
      • 13173

      #3
      Like I've said in your other threads about this, some trends are statistically significant, some aren't. Short term team trends are probably not significant at all.

      But, there are longer general trends that do work.
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      • louisvillekid
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 08-14-07
        • 9262

        #4
        i posted an e-mail on NFL trends. like willie bee said, you have to go on stats, now don't get me wrong, some trends are hard to overlook when there is overwhelming one-sides stats, but you have to look at how a team is playing at the moment, cause, players change, coaches change, injuries, etc.

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        • dante1
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 10-31-05
          • 38647

          #5
          Guys

          Thank you and I don't think all trends are bs, just most of them. Also I am not looking for these articles they just pop up on sites that I use to cap my games. This is the last one I will paste .

          FYI: No Such Thing as a Free Hunch

          By Bobby Smith

          There’s a reason why a daily newspaper – with multiple sections -- costs 25 or 50 cents and a weekly specialized newspaper a fraction of the size like this one sells for $7.00. Space in daily newspapers is filled by amateurs on payroll – an oxymoron, but in many instances true. Sports sections, for instance, are loaded with reactions, opinions, and idealistic solutions to perceived problems. In other words, junk. Even when a sports section devotes an extraordinary amount of space to a topic in an attempt to better its daily competition in that area, it hardly does the topic or the readers justice. Why? Because while simply filling more space might get the job done, it doesn’t necessarily get the job done correctly.



          The New York Daily News, for instance, tries hard for football betting readers. But when the guy making picks prefaces every selection with the phrase: “If I Were a Betting Man,” well, consider him exposed. If Mad Money host Jim Cramer prefaced every stock projection with the phrase, “If I Was a Wall Street Investor,” he’d be selling copies of the Daily News on the street corner right now.



          Besides admitting publicly that he lacks the courage of his own convictions, the Daily News dude put together a list of ATS “trends” called “Rich Gets Richer” last Friday that included:



          • Bengals are 7-0 ATS in their last 7 September games.

          What happened? Bengals lose!

          • Texans are 1-5 ATS in their last 6 September games.

          What happened? Texans win!



          • Raiders are 7-17 ATS in their last 24 games vs. AFC teams.

          What happened? Raiders cover! Hmmm…seem to remember that Oakland, during its horrible season last year, was 4-2 ATS vs. the AFC.



          There was absolutely no connection between the last six or seven September games played by Cincinnati or by Houston, and the games they were about to play. And why would four years of Oakland ATS results vs. the AFC West mean anything, anway, other than building pro-Oakland value by all the mistakes that weren’t going to be made now?



          But my favorite piece of misleading info last week was released on Friday, 9/14 at point-spreads.com. Not sure if this site is owned by an online sportsbook and designed to sucker people into betting, but with content like this, it seems to be:



          “…By far the most popular of all NFL picks for early bettors has been the Cincinnati Bengals. Not only are they the team that has received the most volume, but this match-up vs. the Cleveland Browns is the most lopsided game of the week so far in terms of betting trends. The Cincinnati Bengal money has come in at a 90% clip, compared to a meager 10% who are backing the host Cleveland Browns. Cincinnati is a 7 point road favorite at sportsBetting.com and the Bengals are sporting a record of 4-1 ATS in their last five meetings with the Browns…”



          Wouldn’t call them liars outright. Not shy about suggested that perhaps they were overloaded on Cleveland money and begging suckers to join a supposed public party on Cincinnati. Not shy about suggesting to everyone out there that if you believe information regarding percentages of money invested, whose original source is a bookmaker, then there is a good chance you are being trapped. Suckered. Hoodwinked. Thank you, point-spreads.com, for being one of the reasons Sports Reporter’s Premier Players received a 3-Star Sunday winner on “Cleveland, +7” against the Bengals.



          Our paper didn’t have much to brag about in the NFL last Sunday, but at least you all know we’re working for you, not against you, looking where others will not bother and certainly not dishing information while affiliated with a sports book – which would be, and is in many instances out there in sports information publishing land -- the ultimate conflict of interest!





          I probably won't bore you guys with this again.
          This article generally states my position on most trends.
          Thanks again for your input, I appreciate the helpful comments
          made by most everybody on this board.
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          • pokernut9999
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 07-25-07
            • 12757

            #6
            I did say my trend play was iffy last week. Still 3-1 record with the iffy the only loss. Keep posting , all the info the better. PM me your picks later bud.
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            • dante1
              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
              • 10-31-05
              • 38647

              #7
              Originally posted by pokernut9999
              I did say my trend play was iffy last week. Still 3-1 record with the iffy the only loss. Keep posting , all the info the better. PM me your picks later bud.
              Hi my friend. Yes, you did must give you credit.

              Right now I am trying to find out if Penn State had 2nd team in when Buff qb scored all those points. He throws a really nice ball and has a good receiver. If first team was still in I am going to go heavy on Buff this week. They can score points and I think they played much more difficult games than Baylor. Also, both Buff fg kickers are excellent so a close game will probably go their way. Neither team is superior in the stats department if that is important to a capper. So I will play Buff for sure, just not positive on the amount yet.

              I will message you a few other games I like on Friday.
              You do the same.

              Good luck
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              • durito
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 07-03-06
                • 13173

                #8
                All of those trends are team trends -- and I can't think of any reason behind why they would continue. Teams change, coaches change, etc.

                The key is finding long term league wide trends

                For example, teams that have given up less than ten points in each of their last two games are just 50-77-2 ATS since 1985 when not off a bye in their next game (NFL). This isn't a real strong trend, but it's certainly not one I would ignore.
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