No Juice

[isetcap]

I want to give this book some action. I look at the guide and I see a D+. Is this strictly a result of its NEWBIE status or is there some data that I am missing when I try to use the "search" on them?

Who has played here and what were your experiences with them?

[TOW]

isetcap,

No Juice is a member of TOW Rookie Project.

This is the summary of players comments I received so far:

No Juice Sports

Pros: no juice games, great customer service, fast payout.

Cons: some web site problems (banking interface)

I'd also like to remind that every newer operation presents an higher risk factor. This is why I always recommend to always keep balances within a reasonable amount, by any mean not higher than one could afford to lose.

[isetcap]

OK, so banking issues via the website are pushing them down to a D+?

As a part of the Rookie Project is there a direct communication channel for resolving player issues? Have the website problems been addressed?

I mean I compare them to other D+ books listed and it almost seems like a different ballgame.

[TOW]

I believe SBR's assessment is based on the fact that the book is a newer operation.

As far as commitment and abidance to TOW arbitration on dispute resolution is in one of the strings Rookie members have to agree upon to be accepted in the program.

Lastly it is my understanding that the banking interface problems have been adressed and solved.

[isetcap]

Sounds good to me. They will have a small piece of my action this weekend. I will let you know what I think. Thank you TOW.

[marc]

I'm not aware of anyone who has had any payment problems. Online limits are pretty high (2500). But I believe they will cut you if you beat them bad enough. The only complaint I have heard about them is from one player who was upset that they didn't want to count his acion on the juice free games towards his rollover.

[TOW]

That is correct marc.

In their rollover rules they mention that action on no juice games does not count towards rollover requirements.

[Mudcat]

Start-up ops usually have a low initial rating. That is frequently followed by people (sometimes shills, sometimes not) asking the question, "But why? - have they actually done anything wrong?"

And the answer at the start is, "Well no - not much yet - they're new."

There was a time people were asking if Oklahoma Sports Betting had done anything wrong - and the answer was no. History shows that that did not make it a good reason to deposit.

Everyone makes their own risk-reward assessments. I don't personally see any reason to jump into a high-risk start-up (PARTICULARLY RIGHT NOW) - and I don't recommend it for anyone. What's the rush? Let's see if they can survive football season.

But I guess I should be glad there are guinea pigs out there.

[David]

How can they survive offering all these bonuses and no juice games? That's why they are rated D+.

[pags11]

have read a lot of marketing these guys have been doing on covers...

[AK]

I believe SBR's assessment is based on the fact that the book is a newer operation.

As far as commitment and abidance to TOW arbitration on dispute resolution is in one of the strings Rookie members have to agree upon to be accepted in the program.

Lastly it is my understanding that the banking interface problems have been adressed and solved.

Don't Worry...

AK recommends them and they are solid

[isetcap]

I genuinely appreciate the posts showing multiple angles. Mudcat you are certainly right concerning startups. I think what gives me the most confidence in placing a SMALL deposit with No Juice is the endorsement by TOW. Many of us in here are risk assessors and risk takers (even AK--go Magic), and to me No Juice looks like much less risk than other D+ books in the list, therefore I'm willing to take the small risk to get considerable added value.

I would think that SBR would be cognizant of the merits of the TOW backing if nothing else and consider ranking them a little higher.

[isetcap]

Keep in mind that No Juice (D+) shares the same rating as Sunset Sports (D+). Huh?!

[BAUS]

Also keep in mind that when AK "recommends" a book, or claims that they are "solid", that is usually a kiss of death for the book.

Example #1: AK is currently advertising now defunct Sunsetsports at his site.

Example #2: Quote from AK about Allsportscasino

Allsportscasino is very solid and should be a B+ rating.

http://sbrforum.com/showthread.php?t=1801&highlight=bookie-casino

Allsportscasino is currently in slow pay mode and it looks like they will soon close their doors and not pay players.

Example #3: AK touted Prophet Exchange on this forum and on his website. They soon folded and didn't pay any players.


As you can see, everything AK says is pure self serving garbage. Do not believe a thing he says. AK is even lower on the tout/scum list than Raiders. It is surprising he hasn't been run off this forum yet.

BAUS

[isetcap]

Well if Orlando doesn't cover 1.5 in the first half of tonight's game, he may just take care of himself.

[tacomax]

Also keep in mind that when AK "recommends" a book, or claims that they are "solid", that is usually a kiss of death for the book.

Example #1: AK is currently advertising now defunct Sunsetsports at his site.

Example #2: Quote from AK about Allsportscasino

http://sbrforum.com/showthread.php?t=1801&highlight=bookie-casino

Allsportscasino is currently in slow pay mode and it looks like they will soon close their doors and not pay players.

Example #3: AK touted Prophet Exchange on this forum and on his website. They soon folded and didn't pay any players.


As you can see, everything AK says is pure self serving garbage. Do not believe a thing he says. AK is even lower on the tout/scum list than Raiders. It is surprising he hasn't been run off this forum yet.

BAUS

Top post, Baus. I must admit, I went to his excuse for a site to check that sunsetsports were still on and you're right. He's still touting a book which has locked it's players accounts for weeks.

Great job, AK. You've excelled yourself on this one.

[isetcap]

AK is on suicide watch right now (Magic trail the spread by 8.5 at the moment).

Please be advised he may be unavailable for posting in the near and possibly far future.

[AK]

Also keep in mind that when AK "recommends" a book, or claims that they are "solid", that is usually a kiss of death for the book.

Example #1: AK is currently advertising now defunct Sunsetsports at his site.

Example #2: Quote from AK about Allsportscasino

http://sbrforum.com/showthread.php?t=1801&highlight=bookie-casino

Allsportscasino is currently in slow pay mode and it looks like they will soon close their doors and not pay players.

Example #3: AK touted Prophet Exchange on this forum and on his website. They soon folded and didn't pay any players.


As you can see, everything AK says is pure self serving garbage. Do not believe a thing he says. AK is even lower on the tout/scum list than Raiders. It is surprising he hasn't been run off this forum yet.

BAUS

BILL AND I UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER QUITE WELL.

I do want to mention sunsetsports is down a little from my records*

[AK]

AK is on suicide watch right now (Magic trail the spread by 8.5 at the moment).

Please be advised he may be unavailable for posting in the near and possibly far future.

Your on top of things Guy..

[BAUS]

BILL AND I UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER QUITE WELL.

IF A BONUS WHORE LIKE MYSELF GETS STUCK WITH 50 DIMES AT A d+ BOOK IM GOING TO SHILL FOR THEM PERIOD.


I do want to mention sunsetsports is not broke nor close to it ****ing idiot.

Reality check time: you don't have 50 dimes, so that would never happen. Regardless, I'm glad you have shown your true intentions today. Now everyone knows what kind of person you really are.

So if Sunset isn't broke, then who is lying? Bill Dozer or AK? I trust Bill Dozer infinitly more than AK, so I believe SBR. Wake up AK, people are wise to your little games.

BAUS

[BAUS]

Nice Edit AK.

BAUS

[tacomax]

Nice Edit AK.

BAUS

And nicely quoted before he had a chance to edit.

[AK]

Remember Sports-Gambling advertises with me..

The Entire World is 10 points dumber after listening to Baus.

[pags11]

AK's kind of like the Fonz around here, except with uglier chicks...

[freebie]

Don't Worry...

AK recommends them and they are solid

If AK recommends, you better fvcking run. I mean jet the hell out!