[Dirty Sanchez]

The conspiracy theorists said he wasn't dumped at sea...but that was debunked

[Antibet]

He changed "s" to "b" in his last name to become the President of the United States. Very smart move!

If I ever need to fool American people, I'd become the President of the United States too.

[gauchojake]

Willie were you ever formally diagnosed with CTE?

[themike78]

I love it how all the nutjob wackos say we are so dumb for believing the media yet these retards believe some random videos on YouTube and use those as a legit source. Fukin hilarious.

[Kermit]

[grease lightnin]

I love it how all the nutjob wackos say we are so dumb for believing the media yet these retards believe some random videos on YouTube and use those as a legit source. Fukin hilarious.

Great point.

[jtoler]

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[Sledge187]

Freaking classic!

[innovation]

how convenient was it for Obama who had a poor approval rating to claim he got Bin laden?

when its very well documented he died in 2001 from kidney failure
Bin Laden, in fact, was very ill with kidney disease. In September 2001, CBS News anchor Dan Rather reported that he was admitted to a Rawalpindi, Pakistan hospital on September 10, 2001, and France's Le Figaro said:
"Dubai....was the backdrop of a secret meeting between Osama bin Laden and the local CIA agent in July (2001). A partner of the administration of the American Hospital....claims that (bin Laden) stayed (there) between the 4th and 14th of July (and) received visits from many members of his family as well as prominent Saudis and Emiratis. (During the same period), the local CIA agent, known to many in Dubai, was seen taking (the hospital's) main elevator (to) bin Laden's room."

[innovation]

Call Sign Extortion 17: The Shoot-Down of SEAL Team Six, is a 2015 non-fiction expose, written by best-selling author and former U.S. Navy JAG Officer Don Brown, about the 2011 Chinook shootdown in Afghanistan of a United States Boeing CH-47 Chinook helicopter.^{[1][2][3][4][5]} It is published by Rowman & Littlefield Publishing Group, through its Imprint, Lyons Press. In the shoot-down, 30 Americans lost their lives, including 17 U.S. Navy SEALs, most of whom were members of SEAL Team Six, officially the United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group.
The crash, said to have been caused by a Rocket-propelled grenade fired by Taliban forces in the Tangi Valley of Wardak Province, when the helicopter was at approximately 100–150 feet off the ground just prior to landing, was the largest loss-of-life by U.S. in the Afghan War.^[6] The Chinook was shot down in the early morning hours of August 6, 2011, at approximately 0239 AM Local time, and was the largest single-loss of American life in the history of the U.S. Navy SEALs.
The book is written based largely upon a review of the official, non-classified military record of the crash, which was mysteriously leaked to several family members in October 2011, one month after the official military investigation was closed. Brown believes that the SEAL team may have been sacrificed, either through extreme gross negligence in the mission-planning or for other reasons, and has stated in interviews that the military is covering up key facts germane to the case, including the identities of seen Afghans who slipped on the helicopter without authority, and the true status of the helicopter's black box, which has been the subject of conflicting reports by the military.^[7]
Brown criticizes the U.S. rules of engagement, which prevented pre-landing suppression fire into the helicopter's designated landing zone, and which, according to Brown, allowed Taliban forces to slip into the area of the landing zone and fire the RPG which destroyed the helicopter. Pre-suppression fire would have cleared the landing zone and saved the lives of the Americans, Brown argues repeatedly.
He also claims the military committed a major security breach, by allowing seven unidentified Afghan Commandos to board the helicopter just before takeoff, and subsequently attempting to cover up the breach in the final report, and suggesting the possibility of an "inside job" by the Taliban.^[8]
On the subject of the seven unidentified Afghans, whose bodies were inexplicably flown to the United States and possibly cremated, the Washington Times quotes Brown as saying, "Something went terribly wrong inside that helicopter, and whatever went wrong was most likely beyond the pilots' control," he says. "It's as if the unidentified Afghan infiltrators were the big pink elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about." ^[9] Brown raises concerns that the unidentified Afghans could have been involved in sabotaging the flight internally, and raises concerns about the military's inability to find the helicopter's black box, and then it's shifting position, nearly three years after the shoot-down, that there was no black box.
He deems the Pentagon's shifting position on the black box not to be credible, and has pointed out that a team of US Army Pathfinders was sent to the crash site to look for the black box. He criticizes the Congressional subcommittee investigating the crash ^[10] for not questioning why US Army Rangers were sent to search for a Black Box if there were no Black Box to begin with.
He also criticizes the official military report for claiming that U.S. Army Rangers were the first units on the ground after the crash, at 412 AM, but omitting other evidence that two other unidentified units were on the ground before the Rangers, one as early as 304 AM.
He also argues that the Taliban was tipped as to the exact landing zone, and was awaiting with RPGs, and fired a point-blank shot at the chopper upon final approach.^[9] He is critical of both the military's official investigation for not investigating British Press reports that the Taliban was tipped off, and the Congressional subcommittee which held a hearing on the matter in February 2014,^[10] In the book, and in interviews with both Tom Trento and David Chadwick,^[11]
Brown claims that a U.S. AC-130 Gunship circling above the Chinook at the time of the shootdown, spotted suspected Taliban insurgents moving on the ground towards the Chinook’s landing zone, and requested permission to attack and eliminate the suspected Taliban insurgents. However, Brown claims that the gunship was denied permission to attack the insurgents by U.S. military authorities, and moments later, the helicopter was shot down. Brown argues that had either the AC-130 or two Apache attack helicopters accompanying the Chinook been allowed to clear the landing zone with suppression fire, that RPG-bearing Taliban insurgents would have eliminated, allowing the chopper to land safely.
In his book, Brown makes the charge that foolish rules of engagement effectively sealed the doom of the SEAL team and the other Americans on board Extortion 17.^[12]

[Foxx]

how convenient was it for Obama who had a poor approval rating to claim he got Bin laden?

when its very well documented he died in 2001 from kidney failure
Bin Laden, in fact, was very ill with kidney disease. In September 2001, CBS News anchor Dan Rather reported that he was admitted to a Rawalpindi, Pakistan hospital on September 10, 2001, and France's Le Figaro said:
"Dubai....was the backdrop of a secret meeting between Osama bin Laden and the local CIA agent in July (2001). A partner of the administration of the American Hospital....claims that (bin Laden) stayed (there) between the 4th and 14th of July (and) received visits from many members of his family as well as prominent Saudis and Emiratis. (During the same period), the local CIA agent, known to many in Dubai, was seen taking (the hospital's) main elevator (to) bin Laden's room."

That bump came out of no where. I am inclined to agree though and I am not one to buy all the crazy conspiracy theories. It is so easy for the government to fabricate news and events, especially halfway across the globe in the middle of nowhere. The people just lapped it up though and if you don't believe it, you get branded as a cook.

[unusialsusp5]

that's kook but people are such sheep they actually believe that the government never lies. it is so obvious the bin laden raid was staged and fake it is laughable and no one died at sandy hook.

[innovation]

not seal protocol to put that many seals in one copter.....secondly the copter was expendable, it wasn't one of the seals normal stealthy Blackhawk's but rather a expendable older Army helicopter...

to many red flags....too many young men were killed to prevent knowledge of something that the brass didn't want to get out

[Snowball]

Bush kept the idea of Bin Laden as boogeyman alive in order to justify the CIA takeover
of Afghanistan, and the war on terror... in reality, Bin Laden family and Bushes are best buds.

Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11, died of kidney failure shortly after, which is why
they used him as the boogeyman... he was going to die anyway.

[unusialsusp5]

and all this time i thought that sunday night group watching this raid unfold just before the election 4 years ago was on the up and up. i defy one person to actually say that this bin laden shooting and dumping into the sea was not faked and why they think so.

[The Kraken]

That bump came out of no where. I am inclined to agree though and I am not one to buy all the crazy conspiracy theories. It is so easy for the government to fabricate news and events, especially halfway across the globe in the middle of nowhere. The people just lapped it up though and if you don't believe it, you get branded as a cook.

There was hardly any bump at all in Obamas approval ratings. Most of America already realized that Osama Bin Laden was no longer a real threat, and when he was killed it had no real effect in America.

Plus, the helicopter that shot down part of seal team 6 (not the guys that killed Bin Laden FTR) was shot down by a kid in a building with a rocket launcher, not a roaming group of insurgents that could have been taken out by the gunship.

[Foxx]

There was hardly any bump at all in Obamas approval ratings. Most of America already realized that Osama Bin Laden was no longer a real threat, and when he was killed it had no real effect in America.

Plus, the helicopter that shot down part of seal team 6 (not the guys that killed Bin Laden FTR) was shot down by a kid in a building with a rocket launcher, not a roaming group of insurgents that could have been taken out by the gunship.

I was referring to the thread bump not Obama's approval rating bump or lack there of.

Are you kidding about the kid in a building with a rocket launcher? You say it as though it is a fact. Unless you were there or have some hard evidence, it's just as real as anyone else's guess of anything that happen.

[Harold Baines]

I'm also not a big conspiracy guy, but I say this whole episode was one of the biggest fairy tales of our time. They finally catch the most wanted person in the history of Earth after a decade plus, 'bury him at sea' within hours, and then offer no evidence whatsoever outside of some boardroom pictures of Obama and company watching the 'raid'. These measures are supposedly taken as to not inflame tensions after we have already spent billions of dollars and lost countless lives in the hunt for this guy. I'm calling bullshit....seems like a good way to kick off Obama's re-election campaign.

[The Kraken]

I was referring to the thread bump not Obama's approval rating bump or lack there of.

Are you kidding about the kid in a building with a rocket launcher? You say it as though it is a fact. Unless you were there or have some hard evidence, it's just as real as anyone else's guess of anything that happen.

I read it was a 14 year old kid but whether that's true or not, I have no clue. The Pentagon has released the cause of the accident as a rocket propelled grenade fired by an insurgent.

But by your logic, nobody in this thread knows anything because none of us were there, so we're all getting info from one source or another.

So whats the point of continuing to discuss it?

[Foxx]

So whats the point of continuing to discuss it?

Exactly.

[The Kraken]

Exactly.

/thread

[Flashmo]

He's chillin' with Teddy Ballgame.

you mean Teddy Bomb Pop?