OT - Will War on Iran Ruin the Football Season

[BatemanPatrickl]

The Jews are NOT the problem...

110% agree with you; arab terrorists are.

[Willie Bee]

$100 that he invades Iran before leaving office, or $100 that he's stupid enough to do such a thing? If it's the former, you've got a bet.

That he's stupid enough to do it. But I wouldn't put it past him.

Ok, guys, we're about to start a long weekend. Let's see if we can stick to the topic without all of the personal bullsh¡t being leveled at each other. The kiddies in the baseball forum have used up my last bit of patience this week, and I'd hate to have to restrict a big wad of y'all to the Private Zone for the next few days so y'all can have your My PeePee is Bigger Than Your PeePee contest.

[BatemanPatrickl]

That he's stupid enough to do it. But I wouldn't put it past him.

Ok, guys, we're about to start a long weekend. Let's see if we can stick to the topic without all of the personal bullsh¡t being leveled at each other. The kiddies in the baseball forum have used up my last bit of patience this week, and I'd hate to have to restrict a big wad of y'all to the Private Zone for the next few days so y'all can have your My PeePee is Bigger Than Your PeePee contest.

I am done Willie. Have a nice weekend.

[ShamsWoof10]

Where did my post go..?

[Willie Bee]

To the private zone with the rest of the garbage. Feel free to carry on down there.

[ShamsWoof10]

To the private zone with the rest of the garbage. Feel free to carry on down there.

You can bet your as* on it...

sheeeesh!!

[Willie Bee]

I've got a lot of ass to bet, Shams, and I'm not real sure I want to lay it all on the line right now

[ritehook]

99.99% of the conspiracy theories on the Internet are bullshit; Bush is not going to attack Iran before he leaves office. Get your news from reliable sources and stay away from YouTube and hack blogs.

Yo, Patrick.

Totally agree with your first sentence. Not so sure about the second one, tho. I'm not sure he is going to do so, of course, but let's do a handicap.

His ratings can't get worse. If he does attack, his ratings take an instantaneous upward surge, as all leaders in the early stage of a new war get that spike. And, anyway, at this stage it seems that he doesn't give a damn about his ratings from the people, only from the those in dem dere Golden Mansions.

And, powerful forces (aka neocons) are clearly still pushing for an attack on Iran. If you think the nutzy neocons no longe have power, I think you're wrong. Cheney the Hero carries the ball for them.

An editor for an important neocon mag just suggested that Bush pummel Iran and then tear up the Constitution,and declare himself "president-for-life." The guy was fired and his essay pulled from the Net, but still . . . SBR,I think, forbids links, but if interested I'll come back tonite and give you a reference. (Ie, it happened, not Netfantasy.)

The only thing I watch on Youtube is the East Coast Coach Hank. Someday, I gotta get to Tijuana to see the West Coast doppelganger . . .

[ritehook]

I really doubt that the USA is in any position military wise to take on any new wars at this point. Id bet that if anyone gets attacked on 911 it would be a terrorist attack in the USA, not the other way around.

Even if we did attack Iran, I dont get the relation to that and football season?

later

The scenario is that US ground troops would not be used. Only air power, and then a destabilization by the CIA-funded opposition already in Iran.

It's not fantasy to state that the US govt is funding internal opposition in Iran. Dissident groups, Kurds, various others with axes to grind.

It takes the heat off the meltdown in Iraq, and gives Pinocchio a brief pyrhhic victory (which at this stage is better than nothing for him and his string pullers).

All the Democratic candidates back an attack on Iran (if a nuclear threat can be "proved," - does Dirty Dick provide the proof . . . )

The football season? Of course it wouldn't be cancelled (but would if the Islamic "revenge game" became a nail-biter) but the endless news bulletins and clips of the destruction and of posturing politicians would put a pall over the games. Remember the clutter the NFL playoffs got during the First Gulf War?

But would I bet money that it will happen before the bowl games? Well, only at +1000 . . .

[ritehook]

We don't have the troops, weapons, etc for such an attack right now. There are certainly ways they could obtain such weapons, but in the current political climate it'd be pretty difficult.

That's what happens when you spend $1 trillion in Iraq.


In order to believe stuff like this, you have to look at reality first. In 2002, we we're building billions of $ of military bases in Kuwait and Qatar. It was obvious we were invading Iraq regardless of the results of any inspections.

There is no such build up of weaponry. The terrain in Iran is much more full of mountains than in Iraq. It'd be a much more difficult and expensive war than the complete disaster of Iraq. It's really just not possible right now.

They'd need a draft, to raise taxes, etc.

Durito, as I noted in another reply, the attack would not likely imply ground troops. It would be a kind of "one night stand", not a long commitment. Pinocchio and Dirty Dick would hope that the dissidents already in Iran will take over in a coup. You know, just like they "knew" that liberated Iraqis would throw flowers at invading US soldiers, LOL

The US alraeady has aircraft carriers right off Iran's coast. They've been there for months. Just getting a little of that nice desert sun?

[ritehook]

The US military is stretched so thin, it couldn't invade Texas. Not even Bush is that stupid to attack Iran without some type of Iranian attack on U.S. interests.

SS, Bush has already indicated that Iran is working against U.S. interests by supplying deadly weapons to insurgents in Iraq. And of course Pres Pinny could claim he has proof that Teheran is devloping nuclear weapons. Wouldn't matter to Pinny if it was true or not, his nose is already at Cyrano length . . .

And powerful lobbies in the US are insisting on an attack, before Iran develops nukes.

But I'm not as certain it will happen, in Sept or any other time, as some here seem to be certain it will not. 50-50 in my view.

Is there a book out there anywhere offering + odds that it won't? Lemme know, I'll post up with them.

[BuddyBear]

I've done a lot of empirical quantitative readings on liberals/conservatives..... geneally one persistent finding is that conservatives tend to have higher scores when it comes to censorships. That is, in layperson terms, there is a series of questions that are asked that measure censorship that people answer.

Over and over the research shows that identifying yourself as a conservative is a statistically significant predictor of endorsing censorship. I mean its all over the literature.

You can see in this thread....conservatives rather than argue/debate just say to leave the country if you don't like as a way to censor certain thoughts and ideas from the marketplace of ideas.

In the end, all the great things in this country are b/c liberals fought for them: the right to vote, the end to slavery, the right for free speech, freedom of religion, the women's movement, the environmental movement, the consumer movement, the right for disabled people to have the same rights as everyone else, the right to have minimal quality standards in the water you drink, to have safe medicine, for health insurance, increasing the minimum wage, the right to breath clean air, the right to have benefits at work, a weekend, worker's compensation if you get hurt at the job, stem-cell research, progress in science, etc.....
All these things liberal fought for and all these things conservatives fought against.

There is nothing the conservative movement fights for and stands for that helps society...all conservatives fight for is abortion, school prayer, religious crusades, increasing the military budget, "supporting the troops", and war.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...conservatism is a totally bankrupt and hypocritical ideology. I mean it's b/c of conservates that you can't place a bet online legally....it's hard to imagine anyone who is posting on a gaming forum these days is dumb enough to defend Republicans...well if you blindly support the president I guess you can be that dumb.

[ritehook]

U.S. Army now offering $20,000 sign-up bonuses if you're willing to ship out quickly. Problem is, you might not come back to enjoy it.

Bush and Cheney's impact on military recruiting will be felt for decades.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...082601266.html

The prominent neoconservative, Max Boot, has come up with the solution to the manpower problem.

Offer citizenship to Third World young men, to enlist and then risk their lives to get past the Golden Door.

Ridiculous, you say? But it's exactly what Imperial Rome did - and later lived (and died) to regret it.

[armyoflovers]

This is all hogwash. I will say this much - We will be out of Iraq the second after Obama or Hillary is sworn in as the next President. This war has taken on partisan ovetones: The Dems and the American public vs the group think we know as Republicans. The Dems know this war is wildly unpopular and havent tuned out 99/100 of the populace such as the idiots running DC. Actually I will even go step further and assert that once another 10-12 Republicans lose their Senate seats in November the Dems will have damn near the overuling majority to shut this shit down and bring the troops home. I dont care what kind of rhetoric these marionette generals spew, they are only saying what Bush wants to hear. Just give it 3-4 months and we will focus on withdrawing, not building up.

[ritehook]

Politics = &

Solution: Get all leaders at war in a ring with some boxing gloves on and lets take some bets (Make sure we elect Hilary 1st!!)

Now THAT'S a program I can get behind!!

[ShamsWoof10]

when the Gov't and MSM are on the same side of an issue, you can pretty much fade it and you will be correct 70% of the time. hell of a percentage

It took me a minute to find this quote.. It was in this thread but this thread has been f*cked with so much and the GW's who run this forum seem to think this is garbage.. This should be framed...

I will say this much - We will be out of Iraq the second after Obama or Hillary is sworn in as the next President.

I dont care what kind of rhetoric these marionette generals spew, they are only saying what Bush wants to hear. Just give it 3-4 months and we will focus on withdrawing, not building up.

Not a chance in hell!!!

Also I seen a quote earlier I can't find about how someone said there is no real move towards this war should look again... Look at where our aircraft carriers are now..? Do you think they are there to site see..? It will happen but not yet... In a year maybe but more booga booga needs to be done.... I still say something happens on 9-11 but it won't be noticeable..

If they are planning on eventually attacking IRAN and they have been building "PERMINANT" bases in IRAQ do you honestly think they are going to leave..? HELLOOO..? There is MUCH work to be done... IRAQ, AFGAN, and IRAN are only the beginning.... THIS YOU ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND!!!

[ritehook]

This is all hogwash. I will say this much - We will be out of Iraq the second after Obama or Hillary is sworn in as the next President. This war has taken on partisan ovetones: The Dems and the American public vs the group think we know as Republicans. The Dems know this war is wildly unpopular and havent tuned out 99/100 of the populace such as the idiots running DC. Actually I will even go step further and assert that once another 10-12 Republicans lose their Senate seats in November the Dems will have damn near the overuling majority to shut this shit down and bring the troops home. I dont care what kind of rhetoric these marionette generals spew, they are only saying what Bush wants to hear. Just give it 3-4 months and we will focus on withdrawing, not building up.

AOF, I agree with what you say, that a Dem in th WH will end the war (tho not necessarily leave Iraq totally, which is waht we should do IMHO).

But all leading Dem candidates have given lip service to the idea that not even a nuking of Iran is off the table if it is deemed that they want to enter the Nuclear Club. Hilary espcially seems chomping on the bit to do that . . .

[ritehook]

I think I should apologize for inserting something "political" into what should be discsssions of football and betting and books.

I happened to see some posts re Iran on that bullshitting old Net that struck me as possible, and pissed that the football season could be pushed in to the background by more warmongering, posted my concern.

Selfish perhaps, but sports and betting are "real,' politics is all posturing and fake . . .

Horse, I may disagree with you on Schotty, but would concur with your views as shown here . . .

JJ Gold is kind of nuts, but to voice the comments he did here either shows he IS completely batty, or that he has cajones. Especially living in New Jersey - watch your back, man . . ,

[remmy358]

It's so transparent, isn't it? Suddenly they find Iranians in Iraq, who are supposedly supplying weapons. Propaganda.

Why would we do Israel's dirty work? Let Iran develop a nuclear weapon. I really don't give a f*ck.

until they start launching at us and our allies...

this country has always stood up to others, we've fought wars, and we've won. now suddenly everyone turns into pussies. these arab islam mo fo's want to take us out. what's so hard to understand?

[ShamsWoof10]

these arab islam mo fo's want to take us out.

What about the rest of the Islamic World.. You know the other 80%..?
Why doesn't anyone talk about them..? Ohhh not part of the propaganda.. my bad

[WileOut]

edited by WileOut

[ShamsWoof10]

Despite what the leftist news organizations and the hollywood crack addicts, I mean actors, would want me to believe; I have formed my own rational opinions. One thing I know for a fact is that Irans president has called for worldwide genocide of all Jews and those that support them AKA Americans. No ****ing way do I want a nuclear bomb made in Iran and being shipped into LA harbor. If we do decide to invade I will consider it a rational move. If something is not done I fear millions will die in LA and/or NY and in Israel. Iran will not hesitate for one second to pass the first nuclear bomb they make over to Al Qaeda or Hezbollah (or some other hellbound terrorist organization) do deliver it where satan wants it.

Sweet I am going to save this.. This is a perfect post..

When I mean there is more programming to be done I mean that most Americans don't feel this way yet... When half or more of the posters believe this as well then we will invade.. There is some time to go but an event can really speed up the process... A "Sum of all Fears" script would work perfectly for this...

In conclusion I am simply saying that the public is not afraid of Iranian nukes going off here nor do they a sh*t about one going off in Isreal... At least one of those two or something like that sets in ..we are still a little ways off...

[Dark Horse]

Guess it's time to pull out that quote from a famous Nazi fascist again:

"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship."

"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."
--- Hermann Goering, Hitler’s Reich Marshall, at the Nuremberg
Trials after World War II.

Seventy years later, and nothing has changed. No wait untrue. The current United States president has assigned himself the authority to declare war...

[capitalist pig]

Well, maybe we are going to bomb there military back to the stone age. It will make for 3 days of good tv viewing anyway.

later

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295529,00.html

Report: Pentagon Has 3-Day Plan to Knock Out Iran's Military
Sunday, September 02, 2007

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The Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians’ military capability in three days, according to a national security expert in Sunday’s edition in the Times of London.

Click here to read the full story from the Times of London.

Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not preparing for “pinprick strikes” against Iran’s nuclear facilities. “They’re about taking out the entire Iranian military,” he said.

Debat was speaking at a meeting organized by The National Interest, a conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that the US military had concluded: “Whether you go for pinprick strikes or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be the same.” It was, he added, a “very legitimate strategic calculus”.

President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East “under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust”. He warned that the US and its allies would confront Iran “before it is too late”.

One Washington source said the “temperature was rising” inside the administration. Bush was “sending a message to a number of audiences”, he said to the Iranians and to members of the United Nations security council who are trying to weaken a tough third resolution on sanctions against Iran for flouting a UN ban on uranium enrichment.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) last week reported “significant” cooperation with Iran over its nuclear program and said that uranium enrichment had slowed. Tehran has promised to answer most questions from the agency by November, but Washington fears it is stalling to prevent further sanctions. Iran continues to maintain it is merely developing civilian nuclear power.

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[BatemanPatrickl]

Guess it's time to pull out that quote from a famous Nazi fascist again:



Seventy years later, and nothing has changed. No wait untrue. The current United States president has assigned himself the authority to declare war...

What does a quote prove and oh wait, the President is the commander in chief...

Go out and do something about it instead of bitching about it on SBR; run for congress or volunteer for a candidate who YOU think would do a better job.

[ShamsWoof10]

Well, maybe we are going to bomb there military back to the stone age. It will make for 3 days of good tv viewing anyway.

later

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295529,00.html

Report: Pentagon Has 3-Day Plan to Knock Out Iran's Military
Sunday, September 02, 2007

E-MAIL STORY PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
The Pentagon has drawn up plans for massive airstrikes against 1,200 targets in Iran, designed to annihilate the Iranians’ military capability in three days, according to a national security expert in Sunday’s edition in the Times of London.

Click here to read the full story from the Times of London.

Alexis Debat, director of terrorism and national security at the Nixon Center, said last week that US military planners were not preparing for “pinprick strikes” against Iran’s nuclear facilities. “They’re about taking out the entire Iranian military,” he said.

Debat was speaking at a meeting organized by The National Interest, a conservative foreign policy journal. He told The Sunday Times that the US military had concluded: “Whether you go for pinprick strikes or all-out military action, the reaction from the Iranians will be the same.” It was, he added, a “very legitimate strategic calculus”.

President George Bush intensified the rhetoric against Iran last week, accusing Tehran of putting the Middle East “under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust”. He warned that the US and its allies would confront Iran “before it is too late”.

One Washington source said the “temperature was rising” inside the administration. Bush was “sending a message to a number of audiences”, he said to the Iranians and to members of the United Nations security council who are trying to weaken a tough third resolution on sanctions against Iran for flouting a UN ban on uranium enrichment.

The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) last week reported “significant” cooperation with Iran over its nuclear program and said that uranium enrichment had slowed. Tehran has promised to answer most questions from the agency by November, but Washington fears it is stalling to prevent further sanctions. Iran continues to maintain it is merely developing civilian nuclear power.

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Anyone that believes this is even possible to do should have their head checked... The Pentagon is making plans to knock out the Iranian military in three days and they are making it public information.? Oh let me guess.... Iran doesn't have the net or directv... WTF man... come on people use your head...

When this drum beat started about Iran two years ago they were saying Iran wants to build this so called reactor to make nukes... Iran was saying it was for electricity and THAT SAME WEEK the US made a bid on one of the reactor Iran was planning to build...

I feel like I am sitting next to my grandma watching WWE Wrestling and trying to convince her what she is watching is scripted...

[BatemanPatrickl]

Anyone that believes this is even possible to do should have their head checked... The Pentagon is making plans to knock out the Iranian military in three days and they are making it public information.? Oh let me guess.... Iran doesn't have the net or directv... WTF man... come on people use your head...

When this drum beat started about Iran two years ago they were saying Iran wants to build this so called reactor to make nukes... Iran was saying it was for electricity and THAT SAME WEEK the US made a bid on one of the reactor Iran was planning to build...

I feel like I am sitting next to my grandma watching WWE Wrestling and trying to convince her what she is watching is scripted...

I would like to see evidence that the US made a bid on a reactor Iran was planning to build; not youtube videos or second hand quotes, evidence.

I feel like I am in the third grade listening to the "special" kid tell the class how he had a full conversation with the tooth fairy. Fabricated, made up opinions based on smoke sessions with fellow mental midgets.

[ShamsWoof10]

I would like to see evidence that the US made a bid on a reactor Iran was planning to build;

OF COURSE IT'S YOU!!!

If you can convince me that you are someone worth showing it to I will but I know how you are now and it's a complete waste of time... You have pre-determined opinions and you are looking to attack it not take it as information.. Nothing short of GW telling you himself is going to change that.. It was not a YouTube anything it was from a newspaper... Everyone will be SHOCKED to know that it was not front page news it was towards the back...

I knew when I saw you response to one of my comments in the Michigan thread that you would be next to comment on this even though it was not directed towards you.. You are in one of your moods I guess and you want to play... Is Willie around to bail you out when the going gets rough..?

I feel like I am in the third grade

When was that Friday ?

[BatemanPatrickl]

OF COURSE IT'S YOU!!!

If you can convince me that you are someone worth showing it to I will but I know how you are now and it's a complete waste of time... You have pre-determined opinions and you are looking to attack it not take it as information.. Nothing short of GW telling you himself is going to change that.. It was not a YouTube anything it was from a newspaper... Everyone will be SHOCKED to know that it was not front page news it was towards the back...

I knew when I saw you response to one of my comments in the Michigan thread that you would be next to comment on this even though it was not directed towards you.. You are in one of your moods I guess and you want to play... Is Willie around to bail you out when the going gets rough..?



When was that Friday ?

Case dismissed; no hard evidence, just heresay. The band of merry conspiracy theory backers on this board would get laughed out of court in 60 seconds flat. Their racist and anti-Christian propaganda has no place at SBR.

[ShamsWoof10]

Give me "YOUR" definition of evidence and conspriacy theories and we'll go from there... Right now you are just talking out of your as* as usual... It's not like all of SBR doesn't know this though...

[BatemanPatrickl]

Give me "YOUR" definition of evidence and conspriacy theories and we'll go from there... Right now you are just talking out of your as* as usual... It's not like all of SBR doesn't know this though...

Sure Scamswoof, that's why two people back you up on SBR and that's it. Did SBR ever accept your autographed *cough* Ryan Leaf helmet donation

[ShamsWoof10]

Sure Scamswoof, that's why two people back you up on SBR and that's it. Did SBR ever accept your autographed *cough* Ryan Leaf helmet donation

I work in the Tech. Field sir...

[BatemanPatrickl]

I work in the Tech. Field sir...

You mean technology, so do I. Good field. Are you a software developer or maybe a web developer, business analyst?

[ShamsWoof10]

You mean technology, so do I. Good field. Are you a software developer or maybe a web developer, business analyst?

I MEAN Tech. Field as you put it... I work in the LED TV field.. We are working on one that will have 1,000,000 :1 contrast ratio with a screen size of 120"... I'm also considering a job for UofM as a special teams coach...

[BatemanPatrickl]

I MEAN Tech. Field as you put it... I work in the LED TV field.. We are working on one that will have 1,000,000 :1 contrast ratio with a screen size of 120"... I'm also considering a job for UofM as a special teams coach...

Well good luck with U of M; I would think most schools drug test coaches as well so that might pose a problem