Mets announcers rip team after elimination

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MLB announcers rip team after elimination

“And the Mets agonizing, three-and-a-half-month, slow-motion collapse, is complete,”

Ouch!

[pavyracer]

They call it a collapse but what most probably happened is they had an easier schedule in the first half of the season and a harder one on the second half. Or overachieved in the first half. But they were competitive for the most part of the season and just couldn't win one more game.

[ChuckyTheGoat]

Bring back: Kiner and McCarver.

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Bring back: Kiner and McCarver.

Gibson and Steve Carlton both insisted that T-Mac caught them only.
Two GOATs wanted McCarver, or nobody behind the dish, mighty high praise, mighty high.
Gibson was the most feared pitcher in the game, maybe of all time. If I were on the on-deck circle, next up to face Gibby, I'd probably wet myself.

[unde0087]

They call it a collapse but what most probably happened is they had an easier schedule in the first half of the season and a harder one on the second half. Or overachieved in the first half. But they were competitive for the most part of the season and just couldn't win one more game.

No, the offense was terrible for all but about 3 weeks of the season. Pitching staff was depleted with injuries. Mets used an MLB record 47 different pitchers during the season. This team flat out did not live up to the expectations. It was off from the start. Nothing but disappointing and Gary nailed it on the head with his comment.

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I was listening to Cohen (the owner, not the frustrated broadcaster) give Mendoza a vote of confidence yesterday.
Mendoza has a high baseball IQ, a good baseball mind, but he is not a bright lights, big NYC baseball manager (IMO)
If Mendoza wasn't cheap (salary-wise compared to other managers) and didn't have a year left on his contract, I'd fire him.

The peanut gallery on 'X' is murdering Mendoza.
(It ain't pretty)

(6) Joel Sherman on X: "“Carlos will be back next year.” — David Stearns on Mendoza" / X

[unde0087]

Cohen a good owner. Took the blame and apologized to fans. Guy is class act in my book. I like Mendoza but, at least in my eyes, made several blunders in pitching situations. Leaving people in way too long or not getting anyone up in the pen. Sometimes to me it was like he hadn't seen what had happened multiple times before. I mean at the end of the day he didn't have a lot of reliable options, I get that, because everything was caving in but my God I wanted to ring his neck more than a few times in the closing weeks. Some of the lineup changes as well just stupid. But I am glad to see that he gets another chance. He is a good dude and deserves better than the effort he got from some of the stars. Not his fault that pretty much every move the GM made was not good. The areas I felt needed to be addressed at the trading deadline weren't and all the answers he gave during that time period ended up blowing up in his face. But hell I am just happy we actually got an owner that wants to win as much as the fans.

[unde0087]

By the way the Gary wasn't "ripping the team". Your title is like a click bate AI article

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By the way the Gary wasn't "ripping the team". Your title is like a click bate AI article

I'm an IT analyst geek by trade.
But my side hustle (one of them) is in the social media business as well.
I guess my (and I am not really a big AI fan, and I certainly don't fear it as well) semi 'click bait' title worked.
The title got some open baseball dialogue going, and that's my objective: to get some good talk going.

[unde0087]

Hell I will always chat bases with ya pal. I got a good chuckle at the title though

[unde0087]

Keith Hernandez is the one that gets very disturbed by poor play and especially errors. It is hilarious when you can just feel he wants to go on team but holds back Gary and Ron poke fun at him.

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Cohen a good owner. Took the blame and apologized to fans. Guy is class act in my book. I like Mendoza but, at least in my eyes, made several blunders in pitching situations. Leaving people in way too long or not getting anyone up in the pen. Sometimes to me it was like he hadn't seen what had happened multiple times before. I mean at the end of the day he didn't have a lot of reliable options, I get that, because everything was caving in but my God I wanted to ring his neck more than a few times in the closing weeks. Some of the lineup changes as well just stupid. But I am glad to see that he gets another chance. He is a good dude and deserves better than the effort he got from some of the stars. Not his fault that pretty much every move the GM made was not good. The areas I felt needed to be addressed at the trading deadline weren't and all the answers he gave during that time period ended up blowing up in his face. But hell I am just happy we actually got an owner that wants to win as much as the fans.

Astute post.

I agree, Cohen is a good owner, he puts his money where his mouth is.
I read Cohen's piece to the fans, correct, that was all class.

Unlike the Big Boss Steinbrenner (RIP), who was brash and arrogant, Cohen stays cool.
All owners have some flaws; Cohen doesn't have many.

I'm having trouble with this Senga issue.

Somebody isn't being transparent.
Listening to Stearns yesterday, it sure as hell sounds like he's given up on Senga.
From what I've pieced together so far, Senga said in July and August that his legs didn't feel right (or something to that effect) to the pitching coach, but right before Senga's last start of the year in August, Mendoza said Senga was 100 percent???
What did Stearns know about this, if anything?

I don't know what to believe, like I said, I'm trying to piece together things from what sports and sports media people that I respect and trust tell me.

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Hell I will always chat bases with ya pal. I got a good chuckle at the title though

Thank you for that.

I'm not saying AI is useless; it's not. AI assists chemists with research, for instance. That AI-assisted research may lead to a cure for Alzheimer's or cancer, etc.

What AI can't do is replace my dysfunctional takes on things.
It can't give me your amusing takes on things either.

AI doesn't have a sense of humor or a personality.
It's not human, so until AI develops a personality, I don't fear it.
I do need it at work at times when I'm doing technical writing, which is a completely different animal from creative writing.

AI can be annoying at times as well.
I use Grammarly (which uses AI in the background), which I need when I need to pump out professional business emails, for example,
But when I'm trying to crack wise, or misuse grammar ON PURPOSE, when I'm creative writing, and Grammarly corrects things, I'm like "NO, that's the way I intend to write this, leave me alone," then it becomes frustrating.

[unde0087]

Astute post.

I agree, Cohen is a good owner, he puts his money where his mouth is.
I read Cohen's piece to the fans, correct, that was all class.

Unlike the Big Boss Steinbrenner (RIP), who was brash and arrogant, Cohen stays cool.
All owners have some flaws; Cohen doesn't have many.

I'm having trouble with this Senga issue.

Somebody isn't being transparent.
Listening to Stearns yesterday, it sure as hell sounds like he's given up on Senga.
From what I've pieced together so far, Senga said in July and August that his legs didn't feel right (or something to that effect) to the pitching coach, but right before Senga's last start of the year in August, Mendoza said Senga was 100 percent???
What did Stearns know about this, if anything?

I don't know what to believe, like I said, I'm trying to piece together things from what sports and sports media people that I respect and trust tell me.

I am have a love hate with Alonso. That ridiculous throw to first that injured Senga was what started it all. At that point Mets best record in baseball and Senga had lowest ERA in baseball pitching like the ace he was. After that Mets started to come apart. To me Senga was never healthy. He never looked even close to what he was. He had zero command and his fastball wasn't high 90s. They can say what they want but there was something wrong.
I also didn't understand what transpired at the end. Both Senga and Manea looked bad but they send Senga down and leave Manea up. I didn't disagree with Senga going down for a few starts to "get right" but with the unbelievable amount of pitching injuries I couldn't believe he wasn't called back up to start that final game. Manea good dude but he was an absolute gas can and it should have been Senga. For him to never come back up pretty much tells me he wasn't healthy. If that wasn't the case then someone has some explaining to do. Is my take on that.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

No, the offense was terrible for all but about 3 weeks of the season. Pitching staff was depleted with injuries. Mets used an MLB record 47 different pitchers during the season. This team flat out did not live up to the expectations. It was off from the start. Nothing but disappointing and Gary nailed it on the head with his comment.

unde, I'll argue that the starting staff was never good enough even if they stayed healthy. They overachieved early on but Stearns put together a staff full of 4th/5th starters(other than Senga).

[unde0087]

unde, I'll argue that the starting staff was never good enough even if they stayed healthy. They overachieved early on but Stearns put together a staff full of 4th/5th starters(other than Senga).

You could be right. I wouldn't call David Peterson a 4 or 5 starter on any team but he uncharacteristically had a bad 2nd half. Guy has been very good last 2 seasons. Stearns definitely wasn't looking for aces that is for sure although Mets would have basically been in the same position as the one ace they were interested in ended up having season ending tommy john in Burnes. I don't know that Stearns is going to pan out in New York. His thing is bringing in under the radar talent, as he did in Milwaukee, but all his moves ended up being disasters aka Montas. I guess in a way this pitching nightmare ended up being a plus as 3 young pitchers got their chance in the big leagues. One turned out to be ace material for the future right away.

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I'm hardly a Mets fan; I don't like them, nor dislike them.

I do like Cohen as an owner; the positives outweigh the negatives.
But I believe he didn't (or his front office type people) didn't do their due diligence before signing Soto to that contract that's worth more than most third-world countries' GNP, and interviewed some of his former Washington teammates, or Yankees teammates.
I've heard rumors, rumors from media types that say Judge thought Soto was a cancer in the dugout. These are the same folks who claim Bryce Harper thought Soto was a dugout cancer as well. (I'm not sure, however, if Harper called Sota a clown.) lol

Maybe I'm wrong (God knows I've been wrong before)

Management may have been aware of what kind of colossal jackass that Soto is, and decided that Juan Soto was the big splash that would propel the Mets into the elite level class, the way Reggie did with the Yankees when he came over from Oakland.
There's a lot of credible documentation that states Reggie Jackson was a King jack-ass as well.

This is where the Reggie and Soto similarities end, though. Reggie carried the Yankees to pennants and trophies singlehandedly. Soto had a stacked Nats pitching staff (Gio in his prime, Strasburg in his prime, and Hall of Famer to be Max).
That WS Nationals team also had a stacked lineup. Sota was surrounded by Bryce Harper, Trea Turner, and Ryan Zimmerman, who used to have a loud bat too, but gets overlooked. Yes, Reggie was surrounded by the likes of Nettles and Munson, and that staff had Goose and Catfish, but Reggie used to win a playoff game a WEEK with just his bat. Soto has solid numbers, WS power numbers. I have to give him props for the 2019 MVP WS award. The point I'm trying to make is that Soto doesn't have that "Jump on my back, and I'll get you there" bulldog mentality that Reggie had. Reggie used to pack asses in the seats at the Old Ball Orchard in the South Bronx. I don't hear any kid saying, "Dad, let's go to Citi, I want to see Juan Soto play."
Reggie played for rings, Soto plays for eight-figure paychecks, and when Soto goes to the bank, I'd be willing to bet cash he's thinking "Fvck the rest of y'all, I got mine, and if you didn't get yours, well it sucks to be you I suppose"

[ProSportsEdge]

You could be right. I wouldn't call David Peterson a 4 or 5 starter on any team but he uncharacteristically had a bad 2nd half. Guy has been very good last 2 seasons. Stearns definitely wasn't looking for aces that is for sure although Mets would have basically been in the same position as the one ace they were interested in ended up having season ending tommy john in Burnes. I don't know that Stearns is going to pan out in New York. His thing is bringing in under the radar talent, as he did in Milwaukee, but all his moves ended up being disasters aka Montas. I guess in a way this pitching nightmare ended up being a plus as 3 young pitchers got their chance in the big leagues. One turned out to be ace material for the future right away.

Yeah I get what you’re saying. Peterson isn’t really a true 4/5 but more of a steady depth guy when he’s on. The Montas gamble was rough, but at least the young arms got a shot—and one already looks like he could be the real deal. Stearns’ whole “under the radar” approach worked in Milwaukee, just not sure how much patience Mets fans will have waiting for it to click here.

[ProSportsEdge]

I am have a love hate with Alonso. That ridiculous throw to first that injured Senga was what started it all. At that point Mets best record in baseball and Senga had lowest ERA in baseball pitching like the ace he was. After that Mets started to come apart. To me Senga was never healthy. He never looked even close to what he was. He had zero command and his fastball wasn't high 90s. They can say what they want but there was something wrong.
I also didn't understand what transpired at the end. Both Senga and Manea looked bad but they send Senga down and leave Manea up. I didn't disagree with Senga going down for a few starts to "get right" but with the unbelievable amount of pitching injuries I couldn't believe he wasn't called back up to start that final game. Manea good dude but he was an absolute gas can and it should have been Senga. For him to never come back up pretty much tells me he wasn't healthy. If that wasn't the case then someone has some explaining to do. Is my take on that.

Yeah I felt the same way. That throw from Alonso really changed the whole vibe of the season—Senga just didn’t look right after, and the velocity drop was pretty telling. The Manea situation was confusing too… if Senga was actually healthy, there’s no way he shouldn’t have been out there instead. Feels like we weren’t getting the full story.

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Let the purge begin.
This is from Newsweek, a source I deem 100 percent credible.

Fired Mets Coach Breaks Silence After Sudden Exit

[unde0087]

I am glad to see Hefner go. I thought he should have been shot canned 2 years ago.