Poker's Popularity Means More Teen Gambling Addicts

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  • Illusion
    Restricted User
    • 08-09-05
    • 25166

    #1
    Poker's Popularity Means More Teen Gambling Addicts
    Whether it's Texas Hold'em, 7-Card Stud or Let it Ride, poker has been experiencing a major revival in recent years, and also reaching a younger audience that sometimes doesn't know when to walk away.

    "Gambling brought me to a place where I never want to be again," said one teen recovering from a gambling addiction, who asked not to be identified. "It actually brought me to a place where I was actually considering ending my life as opposed to the reality I'd created for myself."

    Playing for Money

    In Long Island, N.Y., a group of teens sat around around a green felt table in the finished basement of a suburban home one recent evening, as clay chips and crisp $20 bills changed hands.

    "When you play for money, there is something to win and something to lose," said Matt Bornstein. "When you don't play for money there is no point."

    A recent nationwide study estimates 2.9 million young people are gambling on cards on a weekly basis. These teens say they often play more than that.

    The teens say they can win as much as $150 to $200 a night, but despite the risks, they're not too concerned about getting hooked.

    "You can get hooked on it," said Corey Klar, "but when you do lose a lot of money, you are usually broke at the time and then you can't play."


    Some Parents Say OK

    So what do parents of teens think about their children's afterschool activities?

    "I find it somewhat comforting to know that any given time, if I have eight, nine, 10, 12 kids here," said Mitch Bleistern, "that they're all under one roof … playing one game."

    These parents argue it is a positive activity that keeps them off the streets and out of trouble.

    "That's part of what makes it the activity that they want to do," Jeff Granat said. "Right now gambling is riding the crest of popularity."

    Granat also said that with poker shows all over television and a wide variety of poker-based video games, it's hard to argue against the game's appeal.


    Know When to Fold 'Em

    But addiction specialist Sandy Klepner is worried about the growing number of teens she sees turning to gambling for fun.

    "If you have 10 kids playing, two of them are going to have problems," she said. "So that's pretty high."

    It's a lesson one father — who wanted to remain anonymous — learned too late.

    He had no idea until months later that his teenage son had moved on from games in his Long Island neighborhood and was instead sneaking into Manhattan — gambling at various underground poker rooms.

    "We thought he was at the movies with his friend," the father said.

    His concern for his son, he says, was not just for fear his gambling would spiral out of control, but for his physical safety, considering his son was playing with people who were drinking and could possibly be carrying weapons. A disagreement about money, he feared, could quickly turn violent.

    The family is now in treatment through Gambler's Anonymous, the same organization that offered help to Ryan, another young gambling addict.


    Losing, Then Betting More

    Ryan says he had enjoyed neighborhood games of blackjack and poker, but only developed a problem when he spent a semester abroad in Monterrey, Mexico.

    "I thought I could bet on sports with my sports knowledge and win the money, but I found out that wasn't the case," he said.

    At first, Ryan says he just wanted to make up for money he had made in past summers as a camp counselor. But after using a credit card to place his first wager of $500 and losing, Ryan didn't stop betting — he did more of it.

    "My recourse was to bet again — $500 and get even," Ryan said. "So I bet $1,000 on a game and then I'm down $2,000. The I was starting to get worried."

    Before he knew it, Ryan says he was $20,000 in debt. But it wasn't the depth of the hole he'd dug that scared him, it was his reaction to it.

    "I can't pinpoint it exactly, but I had a strong sense that I was out of control," he said. "My reason to get out of the hole was to bet more — it wasn't to stop and find help."

    Ryan finally came clean, graduated from an Ivy League college and now helps counsel other young gambling addicts.

    He says the key to overcoming a gambling addiction is honesty — with yourself.

    "Not just with other people, but with yourself," he said, "and to know that to ask for help is not a problem … it's not a weakness. To ask for help is a tremendous strength."
  • BuddyBear
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 08-10-05
    • 7233

    #2
    I'll tell you what...for those of you younger posters who have yet to select a career path you may want to seriously consider becoming a gambling addict counselor. Gambling addiction is sky rocketing with the Internet boom and the 24/7 showing of poker. Internet + 24/7 poker spells disaster especially among teens.

    Be very careful I paid my dues when i was younger but a lot of people, adults included, have no idea when to stop. Fortunately for me I have never really been interested in cards much.
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    • kalmikrazy
      SBR Sharp
      • 09-01-05
      • 418

      #3
      One thing of interest that I never thought of was that kids playing poker instead of hanging around bad places, people, drugs, etc. That seems to be a good trade=off IF the kind of card playing they are doing is for little sums of money and not alot. I wouldnt mind having my kids and their friends play at our place if it meant them being safer than on the streets.

      Any thought on this point from you guys?
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      • jay88
        SBR Sharp
        • 09-14-05
        • 498

        #4
        I've heard of parents that open poker accounts for their kids so that they don't go around using drugs and partying... It is getting a bit to far...
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        • bigboydan
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 08-10-05
          • 55420

          #5
          Originally posted by jay88
          I've heard of parents that open poker accounts for their kids so that they don't go around using drugs and partying... It is getting a bit to far...

          really not much difference between gambling and drugs really jay. i mean same type of result if you think about it.
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          • Quarm
            SBR Sharp
            • 10-03-05
            • 313

            #6
            same type of result? tell that a heroin addict...omg
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            • bigboydan
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 08-10-05
              • 55420

              #7
              quarm, i was refering to being broke and desperate for a fix. same type of this applies to gambling as well as drug addicts.
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              • Quarm
                SBR Sharp
                • 10-03-05
                • 313

                #8
                well maybe i should practise hold em´...could be like taking candy from kids, if you consider how many players there have no clue prolly.
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                • Quarm
                  SBR Sharp
                  • 10-03-05
                  • 313

                  #9
                  bigboy: i still would be much more worried if my kid takes drugs (doesnt matter what drug really)...if i find out he plays poker i would have a serious talk with him too, but with drugs i would prolly freak out.
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                  • jay88
                    SBR Sharp
                    • 09-14-05
                    • 498

                    #10
                    Poker.. As long as he can control it is fine... Drugs I would go crazy.. I mean pot is one thing and everybody has smoked pot at some point at least a hit... But heroine or crack.. I would loose it..
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                    • onlooker
                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                      • 08-10-05
                      • 36572

                      #11
                      Id rather my son play poker then go out and do drugs and drill his life into the ground. Atleast this way, I can supervise what he is doing and control him better. If hes off doing drugs, who knows what can go thru his mind.

                      My son is only 3, so I have time to worry about that.
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                      • slacker00
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 10-06-05
                        • 12262

                        #12
                        I agree that gambling is a small problem compared to some of the stuff kids are doing including drugs, crime, etc. But gambling ADDICTION is a real problem. I'd view it similarly to alcohol and alcohol addiction, or sex and sexual promiscuity/addiction. Gambling can be a healthy outlet to socialize, for entertainment, etc, as long as it doesn't go too far.

                        I think education is the answer. Knowing how to know your limits is of utmost importance. I guess this falls back on the parents. Unfortunately, I don't think most parents have the slightest clue about gambling. It'll have to become another one of those things that a dad has to sit down and talk to his son about: Sex, Drugs, Gambling.
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                        • Senator7
                          SBR MVP
                          • 08-20-05
                          • 1559

                          #13
                          The key is discipline and self control. I've been playing Hold'em since I was 16 and sportsbetting since I was 18. I've never had to worry about how my rent was going to be paid or how I was going to eat or how I was going to get gas in my car. The problem is the kids themselves and their parents, not poker and not gambling. Nothing drives me more nuts than people who can't own up to their own mistakes and have to blame everyone or everything or society for their shortcomings and mistakes. Teens addicted to poker is no different.
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                          • slacker00
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 10-06-05
                            • 12262

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Senator7
                            The key is discipline and self control. I've been playing Hold'em since I was 16 and sportsbetting since I was 18. I've never had to worry about how my rent was going to be paid or how I was going to eat or how I was going to get gas in my car. The problem is the kids themselves and their parents, not poker and not gambling. Nothing drives me more nuts than people who can't own up to their own mistakes and have to blame everyone or everything or society for their shortcomings and mistakes. Teens addicted to poker is no different.
                            Excellent post. Teens and gambling is really no different than teens and credit cards, teens and drugs, or teens and pregnancy. It's about maturity. Some teens just make stupid choices and are prone to making bad decisions. Gambling isn't as much of a problem as teens making mistakes in general. That's what really should be the topic of discussion!
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                            • natrass
                              SBR MVP
                              • 09-14-05
                              • 1242

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Quarm
                              bigboy: i still would be much more worried if my kid takes drugs (doesnt matter what drug really)...if i find out he plays poker i would have a serious talk with him too, but with drugs i would prolly freak out.
                              You have a child??
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