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  • Dark Horse
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-14-05
    • 13764

    #1
    Watching games a waste of time?
    To watch or not to watch? Answering sports betting’s critical question
    Sun, Mar 18, 2007
    By Jeff Mason

    How would you feel if everything you thought you knew about sports turned out to be false?

    What if sports were actually a science – with future outcomes easily predicted by plugging a bunch of numbers into an equation?

    Some handicappers are giving it a shot. More and more of the world’s best sports gamblers are turning off their TVs and turning on their calculators.

    Bob Stoll doesn’t watch a lot of sports, but he does look at a lot of numbers. Stoll made noise in the sports betting world during the football season, moving lines under the nickname “Dr. Bob.” A former statistics major at the University of California at Berkley, Stoll takes a numbers-based approach to his handicapping.

    Dr. Bob had no problem talking right in the middle of the first day of March Madness. He wasn’t watching sports at the time, but admitted he had just finished watching the last five minutes of the Maryland-Davidson game, where he won his bet on Maryland.

    Stoll doesn’t go as far as to totally avoid sports on television. Instead, he has taught himself to watch games in the mindset of a causal fan, rather than that of a professional handicapper. A huge Cal fan, he says he never misses a Golden Bears football or basketball game.

    “I don’t go out of my way to watch sports,” he says. “It’s not like I go through the TV Guide everyday to see what’s on that night. I’m a sports fan, I’ll watch a good game if a come across it, but I don’t need to watch sports to do what I do.”

    What he does is study the numbers. Stoll spends his day tinkering with his formulas, going though box scores and statistics, and using his experience to identify strong situational spots to find value. Though he has taught himself to watch sports without letting affect his betting, he has words of warning for anyone looking to become serious about their handicapping.

    “(Watching sports) can hurt the average fan,” he says. “You can watch a team play great one night and suddenly you have this misconception about how the team actually plays. The eyes can lie. Numbers don’t.”

    Covers Expert Bryan Leonard doesn't watch sports at all. For him, in the cutthroat business of professional handicapping, it’s about time management.

    “The problem with watching a game is that I have to spend two, sometimes three hours focusing on only two teams,” says Leonard. “I can learn about 50 teams in the same timeframe going through box scores and looking at matchup pages.”

    Not to say that biases haven’t affected him in the past – Leonard learned the ills of watching sports the hard way. One year, he taped every NFL football game in an attempt to win the coveted Hilton NFL Handicapping Contest and spent his week watching every play of every game.

    “I thought it was a sure-fire way to win the (the NFL) contest, but it was the worst result I ever had,” he says. “I had so many preconceived notions about what was happening I had no idea what was actually going on.”

    It’s not fun to think that the people we regard as the sharpest sports bettors in the world do so in such a heartless, scientific way.

    Covers Expert David Malinsky admits he is part of a dying breed of professional handicappers that still watch sports. Malinsky watches up to seven TVs at once in hopes of finding an advantage that doesn’t show up on the stats sheet.

    His principles of watching are, not surprisingly, the polar opposite of Stoll’s. Malinsky says the key to watching games from a handicapping standpoint is being able to disassociate yourself from watching and rooting. Instead, he looks for angles that will have a tacit effect on future outcomes.

    “There was a classic example that we used last year in baseball,” says Malinsky. “Carlos Silva was pitching for Minnesota in Texas (on May 9), and had probably four or five hard-hit balls that died at the warning track. That’s an out for anyone who isn’t watching the game, but they simply weren’t good pitches. We quickly made a note to go against him in his next start.”

    Silva pitched six innings in Texas that day and got the ‘W’ in a 15-5 Twins win. He allowed six runs in 3.1 innings in his next start in a 9-7 Minnesota loss and was demoted to the bullpen the next day.

    Surprisingly, Malinsky says baseball, with all the sabermetrics and statistics-laden lingo, provides more value by watching then any other sport.

    “There are just so many things that happen in a baseball game that the box score can’t track,” he says. “Is a pitcher locating his pitches and getting hit anyway? Are the hits bloopers or line drives? These things matter in the long term. By watching when the oddsmakers aren’t we can use these situations to find advantages.”

    But the ‘watch/no watch’ dichotomy isn’t that black and white. Malinsky has statistical power rankings and still spends a large part of his day pouring over numbers.

    “We really have to look at the numbers because that is what the market (the oddsmakers) is doing,” he says. “The visual simply enhances the box score.”

    So what exactly are the oddsmakers are doing? It depends on who you ask.

    Las Vegas Sports Consultants oddsmaker Sean Van Patten sets lines for NFL, NBA and college basketball. He says he loves to watch NFL and college ball, but can’t bring himself to watch an NBA game. He uses his statistical power rankings and some general feel to set lines for the sports he watches and handicaps NBA solely by numbers and situations, but still manages to set equally sharp lines.

    “My boss (LVSC's Kenny White) sets his lines totally on power rankings and doesn’t watch a lot of sports,” says Van Patten. “I have power rankings too, but they are not my bible.”

    Chances are the first sports bet you ever made was on a televised event. Having money on a game makes watching it that much more intense. The first possession is just as heart wrenching as the last.

    Anyone who started betting on sports for any reason was, at one point, a sports fan. The evolution of sports handicapping from a bunch of guys sitting around watching football on a Sunday afternoon to lonely number crunching in front of a dimly lit computer isn’t a pleasant thought – or one that many casual bettors would ever acknowledge as truth.

    But like a stockbroker calculating the risk in his portfolio, the world’s most successful sports bettors are moving away from X’s and O’s, and towards ones and zeroes.
    So true. I have never watched as much sports as this past year. It also was, by far, my least profitable season.
  • jjgold
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 07-20-05
    • 388208

    #2
    I still think you need to watch games to be a better capper
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    • Dark Horse
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 12-14-05
      • 13764

      #3
      Not if you have a numbers based approach. It's all matrix code out there. I've had great years capping when I didn't watch any tv. No sports, nothing.

      Watching games is useful for live betting, if you know how to read body language. Especially in the NBA, where teams go on runs.
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      • jjgold
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 07-20-05
        • 388208

        #4
        You cannot bet second halves if you do not the watch game, anyone that does is a compulsive gambler.
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        • Dark Horse
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 12-14-05
          • 13764

          #5
          I do that all the time.

          Posted several 2H plays for the NCAA tournament, based only on stats. You just have to know what to look for, and understand the 'story' in the numbers.

          Last year around this time the same thing. I remember Jay Edgar and myself joking that watching the game was just a distraction from the live stats.
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          • BuddyBear
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 08-10-05
            • 7233

            #6
            I've recently tried to stop....although I like to see what is going on. My stomach can't take watching these games anymore. I think in the future I am really going to cut down on the number of games I watch...
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            • Jay Edgar
              SBR MVP
              • 03-08-06
              • 1576

              #7
              Yes watching the games turns my stomach, distorts my opinions, and wastes valuable analysis time.

              But I'm also a sports fan.

              Luckily, it is 2007 and there is an answer.
              It is the DVR.
              At least for problems #1 and #3.
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              • The HG
                SBR MVP
                • 11-01-06
                • 3566

                #8
                I almost never watch games at all, however there are certainly times when it can be invaluable to do so.

                I remember in last year's NCAA tourney, in the UCLA/LSU game, based on the halftime stats, my lean would have strongly been towards LSU. But I was watching the game, and could see how fatigued LSU was. I seem to recall Big Baby was having trouble just getting down the court. It was obvious just from watching the game, there was no way LSU was coming back. I bet UCLA 2H and it won, and pretty easily, if I recall.

                And what Dave Malinsky says in the article is also true. He, by the way, is my favorite tout, a real smart guy and one of the few around who isn't full of it.

                So obviously you might not want to have the 7-TV set up watching 25 games at once, but there's no question that watching a game can at times give a handicapping edge you can't get from anywhere else.
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                • pags11
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 08-18-05
                  • 12264

                  #9
                  agree with jj here...if you want to be a consistant winning capper, you've got to see how these games unfold...watching the coaches, how the players perform in the clutch, is key in the long run...
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                  • RickySteve
                    Restricted User
                    • 01-31-06
                    • 3415

                    #10
                    Dr. Bob doesn't bet, so that article is highly suspect.
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                    • trustbutverify
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 01-12-07
                      • 221

                      #11
                      The less I watch- the more profit I make.
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                      • BuddyBear
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 08-10-05
                        • 7233

                        #12
                        Sports betting involves both a quantitative and qualitative compenent to it. Anyone can, and should, look at power rankings, box scores, percentages, and other meaningful statistics in their handicapping. However, watching the games can also be extremely helpful in a number of ways but I can see how watching games can also pose many problems like falling in love with a team or hating a team simply based on their most recent performance you witnessed. I tend to favor the quantitative approach more...although as a sports fan, watching the games still means something to me....

                        Like Kenny White says, "the numbers don't lie"
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                        • Tchocky
                          SBR MVP
                          • 02-14-06
                          • 2371

                          #13
                          There's no need to watch games when you have sophisticated software that keeps stats on all the players and teams and can tell you the winner and the margin of victory within a fraction of a point. Does anybody have this kind of software? I don't...that's why I watch games.
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                          • FightForCalifornia
                            SBR High Roller
                            • 02-22-07
                            • 116

                            #14
                            Dr. Bob = Golden Bear
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