What can be ascertained from this Poker Data?

[InTheHole]

Statistics for 50 Hands
Street Saw Saw/Total
Flop 22 44%
Turn 15 30%
River 10 20%
Showdown 5 10%
Street Won Won/Saw Won/Total
Pre-flop 1 2% 2%
Flop 0 0% 0%
Turn 1 7% 2%
River 5 50% 10%
Showdown 5 100% 10%

[topgame85]

suck out player

[InTheHole]

I think that a moderate approach to these small stake tables could be profitable with discipline.

[InTheHole]

suck out player

What does that mean. I have been playing for 6 days

[InTheHole]

I Suck

"Sucking out" is a term poker players use to identify a player who stays in a hand until the last card is dealt and wins. The player who wins on the last card is referred to as a "suck-out" player. The odds of a suck-out player winning are extremely low but occasionally they get lucky and do win. I recently played in a Texas Hold 'em tournament and was dealt a pair of Jacks as hole cards. When the flop came (three cards dealt up) there was another Jack. Based on the three community cards I could see, someone else could have a straight, which would beat me.

[topgame85]

Yah wiining pots on the river or a showdown, your staying in the hand for a long timewhich leaves you open to a bad beat. Unless you have mathematically clinched the hand and are just trying to draw more money out of the other guy it is better to make a move so your high percentage hand does not get beat on a turn or river card.

[InTheHole]

Yah wiining pots on the river or a showdown, your staying in the hand for a long timewhich leaves you open to a bad beat. Unless you have mathematically clinched the hand and are just trying to draw more money out of the other guy it is better to make a move so your high percentage hand does not get beat on a turn or river card.

The whole table was aggressive and loose. 75% of those hands were AA/QQ/AK/KK or a high pair hoping to hit 3 or a kind on the flop (which I would never do with any real money). I have also starting calling cards of the same suit with a high card 10/J J/9. It's been working for me but again with any type of real cash I wouldn't take that approach.

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

From such a low quantity of hands not much can be made from those stats, u could have simply had good hands and other players were sucking out on you. It cant be said with that low number of hands. I play a lot of poker and am one of the few that makes money consistently at it( live play), and not much can be said from that. But as said by top game if you do have a high percentage hand you want to get as many people out of the hand pre flop, then when you see a flop then is when you either continue pushing or decide reel in your player. depending on how your opponent plays and what reads you can get will tell. also whats on the board will determine how you play your hand from there on out

[InTheHole]

Thanks for the input guys....appreciate it. I have had some 1000 hand samples that I will post over the weekend but the consensus is if you can shut them down pre-flop do so (I agree). Still a little scared to venture back into the $1/$2 arena as I got hammered playing conservatively. Enjoying the Micros and learning along the way.

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

for instance i was playing at my local casino and there was a few donks on the table i was up around 300 on the night thus far and i was on the big blind. usually with a decent hand ill raise it to 7-15 pre flop to get action. well one guy had AJ and the other guy had KJ. One of these fools raised it from 2 to 4. so im sitting on the big blind so hell why not ill see a flop with my k3 for 2 bucks. the flop comes out J33. and i end up winning about 350 on the hand since one guy ended up pushing all in. You cant allow your high percentage hands to get busted by mediocre ones. If i was in his shoes i raise to 12 and i myself would fold my K3 in a heartbeat. The fact that you were winning a lot of hands on the turn and river can be assumed that you weren't playing your big hands properly, or catching junk on the showndown and river to win.

[reno cool]

If you're seeing the flop 44% of the time in a full game, that's too high.
Also, it seems you're not raising at all.

[20Four7]

In 50 hands nothing can be ascertained..... but if your data is correct your seeing way to many hands preflop unless you were on a heater..... Once you have 1000's of hands you can actually see something.

[ijustwant2bpaid]

yea u should see flop like 20-23% of the time over long term..

[20Four7]

Position at the table is far more important than anything else. If you can always act last your doing good.

[VegasDave]

You are getting into great habits early by making good preflop decisions. A couple of words of advice...

1. Don't get too attached. Power hands are tough to get away from, but when you are beat, you are beat. If you have a really bad feeling that you are beat, chances are you probably are.

2. Mix up your play. Will not matter at all in play money or low stakes games, but as you get into higher stakes people will read that you only play premium hands and will A) bet you off of everything else and B) not pay you off when you have a hand. Vary your bets with these big hands, sometimes just call, sometimes 2x big blind, sometimes 5x big blind. Keep opponents guessing. Also try to take calculated risks with good position; suited connectors are good to mix in because they are relatively easy to play post-flop. If you get 4 to your draw, you can semi-bluff in some spots, and you can let pot odds dictate what to do in others.

Any time you want to talk poker theory, hit me up.

Also, I've read lots of poker books, but none better than this one; http://www.amazon.com/Harrington-Exp.../dp/1880685337. Wish I'd have read it earlier in my poker career, would have saved me $1000s. Give it a look.

[20Four7]

Vegas,

that's fine for tourney's but cash games are different beasts. Harrington's cash game book isn't the best but still a good read. If you are playing SNG's or MTT's then there's a few I could recommend. My best Cash game book is still a secret because I don't want everyone to read it.

[VegasDave]

Vegas,

that's fine for tourney's but cash games are different beasts. Harrington's cash game book isn't the best but still a good read. If you are playing SNG's or MTT's then there's a few I could recommend. My best Cash game book is still a secret because I don't want everyone to read it.

I think the philosophies from that book carry over extremely well to cash games. Understanding pot odds and mixing up your play are essential in cash games as well.

You are right though, they are indeed different beasts.

[20Four7]

I think the philosophies from that book carry over extremely well to cash games. Understanding pot odds and mixing up your play are essential in cash games as well.

You are right though, they are indeed different beasts.

your in a tourney, blinds are 1000 2000 you have a pair of 6's with 18,000 in chips, it becomes an insta push if your first in almost regardless of position. In a cash game with 1/2 blinds and 200 behind it's a limp to hit your set.