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Which is how you get to herd immunity. Simple math. We can either get vaccinated or catch Covid to get there. It will take 7 to 10 years if we wait for enough people to get infected. The math is clear. The longer people wait to get vaccinated the longer we have to deal with this epidemic. Non Vax are literally shooting themselves and others in the foot.Comment -
Yeah, THE MAN got you down. You live in a 3rd world shithole country and you're trying to tell us about fear from across the ocean?Last edited by Mac4Lyfe; 08-06-21, 10:31 AM.Comment -
So he should have let the mob throwing molotovs at him with there guns out just kill him? So you would have let them kill you instead of defending yourself? Typical liberal response. You are fake news. Like I have said many times I am against murder unless its self defense or protecting people from getting killed or at war. I have shot at people who have tried to kill me before. I know what's right and wrong.Comment -
So you're saying people should get vaccinated so as to decrease the likelihood of of passing it on to others, thus interfering with their life and heatlh?
I've heard that argument a few times.
Or are you saying ESPN is interfering with somebody's life by requiring employees to take the vaccine? Unless they are discriminitory in how they apply that rule, there is nothing illegal about it. It's a private workplace, they can do this with zero repercussions.
In fact, it could be argued that ESPN has already interfered with it's employees lives, they make them come to work, and the pay those employees money. IT seems a bit moot.
The government on the other hand will have to give their employees the option to not vaccinate and to mask, the rules are different and applied differently.
Regardless, when they realize the protections the jab may only last a handful of months, shit will hit the fan.
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No, that's a different argument.
We're talking about a choice that was already made...not to get the vaccine.
We're not talking about the argument of choice,we're talking about the choice not to get vaccinated. TMS alluded to them being Trump supporters as a reason to not get vaccinated.
I was curious as to how they reasoned this.Comment -
Correct. At this point, people have had the choice. Specifically for this thread, they don't have to work at ESPN if they do not want to get a vaccine. They can make that choice. There is no guarantee of a right to work here, having a job is not a right.
The private marketplace can mandate a vaccine, but that doesn't mean they took away the choice. Again, a job is not a right, even if workers have a bill of rights.
Obviously the law requires them to observe medical exemptions.
Don't make more out of it than it is people.
You can't show up to your subway job naked, even if you feel you have the right to choose to do so.Comment -
what if you got covid already like millions of others and now have natural immunity? You think its ok for ESPN to force you to take some medicine you don't need in order to keep their job? Is that what you are saying? What if ESPN forced it female employee to take birth control pills or the men to have a vasectomy? Where do you draw the line as to what any employer can force someone to do?So you're saying people should get vaccinated so as to decrease the likelihood of of passing it on to others, thus interfering with their life and heatlh?
I've heard that argument a few times.
Or are you saying ESPN is interfering with somebody's life by requiring employees to take the vaccine? Unless they are discriminitory in how they apply that rule, there is nothing illegal about it. It's a private workplace, they can do this with zero repercussions.
In fact, it could be argued that ESPN has already interfered with it's employees lives, they make them come to work, and the pay those employees money. IT seems a bit moot.
The government on the other hand will have to give their employees the option to not vaccinate and to mask, the rules are different and applied differently.
Regardless, when they realize the protections the jab may only last a handful of months, shit will hit the fan.
What if the Mayor of NY suddenly decided that only left handed people are allowed to dine at your restaurant? Or only fertile people are allowed to eat there? What if he decided that anyone who voted for Trump couldn't enter your business? What if anyone who was suspended by Twitter was banned?
Why are people so eager to relinquish their freedoms?Last edited by DwightShrute; 08-06-21, 12:51 PM.Comment -
A company has the right to do whatever it wants.
Just like a person has the right to leave the company and find another job.
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In the case of the COVID 19 vaccine, unfortunately, you are wrong here Minny. Completely wrong.
You are just guessing when this already has working precedent, including a recent court case in Texas.
Why even make this post, when you aren't fluent in the laws and regulations?
Common man. It's ok to express your opinion, which is what your post is, even if your opnion is wrong, which is what your post is, but Minny it's getting pretty frequent with you.
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It doesn't matter what I think, it's already well established.
You are out of line to call it a "medicine that you don't need" because you don't know that. It's convenient I suppose if you want to be in an argument or argue withy an agenda, but the fact is they can mandate the vaccine.
There's a perfectly good public health reason for that and business do have a responsibilty to keep a safe workspace.
Also, the fact that it's EUA does not matter, legally,. and some seem to think it does.
This has already been put to rest.
Private workplaces have rights, it seems many of you want to stomp on those rights and force employers to follow you individual biddings.
I can't get behind that, regardless of my vaccine stance. I don't approve of the law trying to tie the hands of employers, especially in an area in which we've already established rules.Comment -
if you got covid, recovered, you have natural immunity. You don't need a vaccine. You shouldn't be forced to take one. Unreal how anyone can be for forcing anyone to inject something into their body which they do not need.
So many vaccinated people feel exactly the way I do.Comment -
Dwight you are getting educated here. Try to pick up on it and learn. It's clear by your questions and statements that you are like MinnyFatty, just not knowlegeable about this topic.
Don't make assumptions, there is not a debate here. It's all been established by both the DOJ and the EEOC.
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requiring an unnecessary vaccine if you already got covid and have natural immunity. A vaccine that isn't even FDA approved mind you.
Is it that easy for you to give in to woke corporations implementing these measures without science to back them up?
Coke tried to train it employees on how to be less White. Its not a joke. Many people were totally fine with this type of racism. I suspect, the same are in favor in injecting people with medicine they might not need.
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It doesn't matter how you feel. That's your own issue. If you are an ESPN employee then ask if an antibody test is ok. But you are making a big assumption when it comes to natural immunity. That will, just like the jab, will wear off.
This we do know.
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Dwight, you are not listening.
It's amazing you say conservatives want to be left alone but you are attacking established employer rights.
It seems you are doing based solely on the possiblity that someone might have antibodies. Are you considering those who haven't been infected yet?
I am for the already established employer rights here. It's a job hunters market out there anyway.Comment -
Yes, we do know it will wear off. This is not an assumption. The anitbodies will not be permanent and you can contract COVID multiple times.
This is a fact. Why wouldn't it be? None of the other SARS, MERS, etc that have arisen recently have permanent antibodies.
Common man.
You are learning here Dwight, much of what you stated about employee and workers rights when it comes to this vaccine has been wrong. There is already established precedent.
At least I hope you are learning.Comment -
Former President Donald Trump on Tuesday recommended Americans get vaccinated to help fight the Covid pandemic, engaging on the issue after months of relative silence.
“I would recommend it,” Trump said during an interview on Fox News with Maria Bartiromo. “And I would recommend it to a lot of people that don't want to get it and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly. But again, we have our freedoms and we have to live by that and I agree with that also. But it is a great vaccine. It is a safe vaccine and it is something that works.”Comment -
At least you are self aware. I did notice you and Minny are jumping to a lot conclusions without doing any research as those conclusions are not consistent with the actual laws.
Do a google search, start researching if it means that much to you.
The only reason I'm really chiming in is to set that record a little more straight. To clarify the laws and expectations from both the DOJ an EEOC.Comment
