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  • 209 Life
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    #36
    Should go to the Kings. Finally got a competent GM. Got some young talent to build with (Fox & Haliburton)
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    • IBetYou
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      • 07-03-15
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      #37
      Originally posted by 209 Life
      Should go to the Kings. Finally got a competent GM. Got some young talent to build with (Fox & Haliburton)
      Who's a competent GM? Dumars? Were Detroit any better after he left them?
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      • 209 Life
        SBR MVP
        • 09-15-18
        • 3146

        #38
        Originally posted by IBetYou
        Who's a competent GM? Dumars? Were Detroit any better after he left them?
        Monte McNair is the Kings GM not Dumars
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        • IBetYou
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          • 07-03-15
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          #39
          Former players shouldn't be given jobs in the front office. They think a hard day's work entails working on your form. THat's not how it is in the real world...
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          • IBetYou
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            • 07-03-15
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            #40
            Originally posted by 209 Life
            Monte McNair is the Kings GM not Dumars
            Well it's a duo aint it? I don't care for official titles, one a GM, the other a president or whatever. V.few teams give one guy the keys to the car. What has that duo done since taking over from Divac?
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            • 209 Life
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              • 09-15-18
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              #41
              Originally posted by IBetYou
              Well it's a duo aint it? I don't care for official titles, one a GM, the other a president or whatever. V.few teams give one guy the keys to the car. What has that duo done since taking over from Divac?

              1 year in, Give it some time
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              • IBetYou
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                #42
                You said he was competent LOL. What you basing that on? THat he hasn't made things worse ina year?
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                • 209 Life
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                  • 09-15-18
                  • 3146

                  #43
                  Originally posted by IBetYou
                  You said he was competent LOL. What you basing that on? THat he hasn't made things worse ina year?
                  Divac chose Bagley over Luka.
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                  • IBetYou
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                    #44
                    Originally posted by 209 Life
                    Divac chose Bagley over Luka.
                    Yes he was a terrible GM. What does that have to do with it?
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                    • stevenash
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                      • 01-17-11
                      • 65655

                      #45
                      Originally posted by IBetYou
                      Former players shouldn't be given jobs in the front office. They think a hard day's work entails working on your form. THat's not how it is in the real world...
                      Not entirely true.

                      There's many ex jocks that are/were failures in the front office.
                      But there has been a few outstanding former professionals that has become outstanding front office professionals.

                      Gene Michael is a good example.
                      Former defensive shortstop whiz for the Yankees (weak bat though) who went on to become Steinbrenner's right hand man before Cashman came along.

                      It wasn't until Steinbrenner got suspended from MLB for being an asshole and Michael had to call all the shots is when we learned what kind of genius Gene Michael was.

                      The formula to that success though is you want a former professional that knows how the game is played and how it works,

                      But it' much than that.

                      He needs to know how to put together a team roster based on needs, not star attractions, needs formal business education too. He needs to know salary cap rules and budgeting,
                      And now more than ever he also needs besides knowing the game, and knowing how business works he needs to know how IT and sports analytics works too.

                      At the risk of sounding like a blowhard, (or is it too late for that ) I know.
                      Trust me I know.
                      I'm a former scholastic player (mainly baseball) good as a teenager, not good enough for any minor league consideration.
                      But I was born with my dads military engineering genes and always had this love affair with numbers and computers and went with that career path after HS.

                      As a college catcher I knew how the game is played and what is needed to staff a 25 man roster.
                      As a business, numbers, and IT geek I know how that part of that works too.

                      Why do you think a lot of former catchers go on to make good baseball people after their playing life?
                      Because catchers know how pitching works, and also how defense works, and offense too.

                      What do Joe Torre, Mike Scioscia, Melvin, Bochy, Ned Yost all have in common.
                      Former catchers that have won WS as managers and also have some kind of formal business schooling.

                      There's man more examples, Matheny for instance.

                      And a lot of former catchers go into other areas of baseball management.

                      If I were a GM and boss of the dugout manager I would tell him "even though I am very big on analytics I also played the game too, it's OK to throw out the analytics book at times and play the hot hand in certain situations and keep the hot bat in there even if he isn't the best right handed hitting vs. left handed pitching match up available and play your hunch" I get it
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                      • IBetYou
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                        • 07-03-15
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                        #46
                        You're talking baseball. This is a basketball forum. What strategy is there in baseball anyway? Jocks are stupid & lazy. Like actors. It's not realistic to expect someone that's been living the fast life to become a computer boffin.

                        Countless rumours over the years of players having a good work ethic in the gym but then post-playing career not up to the mental challenges of being a top level strategist. Like Magic Johnson. He dumped the Lakers when they were at their lowest. Couple weeks later Pelinka turns the team around and Magic is on social media trying to latch onto the brand once more.

                        Elton Brand another guy. A lot of teams have people like him just to make up the diversity quota. He did a horrible job for them the season prior, so they bring in Morey -one of the biggest names in the business. Their decision making since night & day better. Like having a nurse do brain surgery -hey she's seen it been done lots of times so sure she can do it. No, you want intelligent people doing intelligent jobs.
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                        • IBetYou
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                          #47
                          I don't like Morey btw, but if we're going to compare him to Elton Brand..
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                          • thomorino
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                            • 06-01-17
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                            #48
                            Originally posted by stevenash
                            Not entirely true.

                            There's many ex jocks that are/were failures in the front office.
                            But there has been a few outstanding former professionals that has become outstanding front office professionals.

                            Gene Michael is a good example.
                            Former defensive shortstop whiz for the Yankees (weak bat though) who went on to become Steinbrenner's right hand man before Cashman came along.

                            It wasn't until Steinbrenner got suspended from MLB for being an asshole and Michael had to call all the shots is when we learned what kind of genius Gene Michael was.

                            The formula to that success though is you want a former professional that knows how the game is played and how it works,

                            But it' much than that.

                            He needs to know how to put together a team roster based on needs, not star attractions, needs formal business education too. He needs to know salary cap rules and budgeting,
                            And now more than ever he also needs besides knowing the game, and knowing how business works he needs to know how IT and sports analytics works too.

                            At the risk of sounding like a blowhard, (or is it too late for that ) I know.
                            Trust me I know.
                            I'm a former scholastic player (mainly baseball) good as a teenager, not good enough for any minor league consideration.
                            But I was born with my dads military engineering genes and always had this love affair with numbers and computers and went with that career path after HS.

                            As a college catcher I knew how the game is played and what is needed to staff a 25 man roster.
                            As a business, numbers, and IT geek I know how that part of that works too.

                            Why do you think a lot of former catchers go on to make good baseball people after their playing life?
                            Because catchers know how pitching works, and also how defense works, and offense too.

                            What do Joe Torre, Mike Scioscia, Melvin, Bochy, Ned Yost all have in common.
                            Former catchers that have won WS as managers and also have some kind of formal business schooling.

                            There's man more examples, Matheny for instance.

                            And a lot of former catchers go into other areas of baseball management.

                            If I were a GM and boss of the dugout manager I would tell him "even though I am very big on analytics I also played the game too, it's OK to throw out the analytics book at times and play the hot hand in certain situations and keep the hot bat in there even if he isn't the best right handed hitting vs. left handed pitching match up available and play your hunch" I get it
                            Another dumb shit take from Nash.

                            The Yankees were good for many years under Steinbrenner because they outspent everyone, not because of the front office. The salary cap rules in baseball are very different now, it’s much harder to spend significantly over the cap.
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                            • thomorino
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                              • 06-01-17
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                              #49
                              Originally posted by stevenash
                              Not entirely true.

                              There's many ex jocks that are/were failures in the front office.
                              But there has been a few outstanding former professionals that has become outstanding front office professionals.

                              Gene Michael is a good example.
                              Former defensive shortstop whiz for the Yankees (weak bat though) who went on to become Steinbrenner's right hand man before Cashman came along.

                              It wasn't until Steinbrenner got suspended from MLB for being an asshole and Michael had to call all the shots is when we learned what kind of genius Gene Michael was.

                              The formula to that success though is you want a former professional that knows how the game is played and how it works,

                              But it' much than that.

                              He needs to know how to put together a team roster based on needs, not star attractions, needs formal business education too. He needs to know salary cap rules and budgeting,
                              And now more than ever he also needs besides knowing the game, and knowing how business works he needs to know how IT and sports analytics works too.

                              At the risk of sounding like a blowhard, (or is it too late for that ) I know.
                              Trust me I know.
                              I'm a former scholastic player (mainly baseball) good as a teenager, not good enough for any minor league consideration.
                              But I was born with my dads military engineering genes and always had this love affair with numbers and computers and went with that career path after HS.

                              As a college catcher I knew how the game is played and what is needed to staff a 25 man roster.
                              As a business, numbers, and IT geek I know how that part of that works too.

                              Why do you think a lot of former catchers go on to make good baseball people after their playing life?
                              Because catchers know how pitching works, and also how defense works, and offense too.

                              What do Joe Torre, Mike Scioscia, Melvin, Bochy, Ned Yost all have in common.
                              Former catchers that have won WS as managers and also have some kind of formal business schooling.

                              There's man more examples, Matheny for instance.

                              And a lot of former catchers go into other areas of baseball management.

                              If I were a GM and boss of the dugout manager I would tell him "even though I am very big on analytics I also played the game too, it's OK to throw out the analytics book at times and play the hot hand in certain situations and keep the hot bat in there even if he isn't the best right handed hitting vs. left handed pitching match up available and play your hunch" I get it
                              Mathematics was also one of the worst and dumbest managers in baseball. The Cardinals won the World Series because how strong the organization was, he was garbage.

                              I still remember when he brought in Wacha as a reliever in a key postseason game even though Wacha had never pitched out of the pen, the game was over 3 minutes later.
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                              • thomorino
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                                • 06-01-17
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                                #50
                                Originally posted by IBetYou
                                You're talking baseball. This is a basketball forum. What strategy is there in baseball anyway? Jocks are stupid & lazy. Like actors. It's not realistic to expect someone that's been living the fast life to become a computer boffin.

                                Countless rumours over the years of players having a good work ethic in the gym but then post-playing career not up to the mental challenges of being a top level strategist. Like Magic Johnson. He dumped the Lakers when they were at their lowest. Couple weeks later Pelinka turns the team around and Magic is on social media trying to latch onto the brand once more.

                                Elton Brand another guy. A lot of teams have people like him just to make up the diversity quota. He did a horrible job for them the season prior, so they bring in Morey -one of the biggest names in the business. Their decision making since night & day better. Like having a nurse do brain surgery -hey she's seen it been done lots of times so sure she can do it. No, you want intelligent people doing intelligent jobs.
                                Originally posted by IBetYou
                                I don't like Morey btw, but if we're going to compare him to Elton Brand..
                                The contract Brand gave Horford was the worst contract I have ever seen in the NBA. Money has some issues but he’s a hundred times better than Brand. Brett Brown got blamed for everything in Philadelphia but Brand was horrible too.

                                They trades Bridges on draft day for a player not even in the NBA anymore.
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                                • thomorino
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                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by thomorino
                                  Mathematics was also one of the worst and dumbest managers in baseball. The Cardinals won the World Series because how strong the organization was, he was garbage.

                                  I still remember when he brought in Wacha as a reliever in a key postseason game even though Wacha had never pitched out of the pen, the game was over 3 minutes later.
                                  Mathews was one of the dumbest managers in baseball.
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                                  • goduke
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                                    • 02-17-10
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                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by thomorino
                                    Mathews was one of the dumbest managers in baseball.
                                    It’s Matheny not Mathews just for completeness
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                                    • jjgold
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                                      #53
                                      nobody beating bucks anytime soon especially if they add another player

                                      Very tough to beat a team with dominate big man
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                                      • slayer14
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                                        #54
                                        Golden state should sign him i think
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                                        • Goat Milk
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                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by jjgold
                                          nobody beating bucks anytime soon especially if they add another player

                                          Very tough to beat a team with dominate big man
                                          The same Bucks team who went to game 7 and were a centimeter away from losing against KD plus 3 D-league players and a guy on one leg? That Bucks team isn't gonna lose "anytime soon?"

                                          Lmao. You are a classic prisoner of the moment Gold. Always have been. Always will be. Never forget when you told me Nadal would never win another major in 2014ish. I buried you and many others in that thread. Reaping all the glory from it many years later.

                                          Stop looking into the now and look ahead for once in your life.
                                          Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                          • slayer14
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                                            #56
                                            Imagine curry, Lillard and Thompson on the same team it would be a good team again golden state
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                                            • Goat Milk
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                                              #57
                                              Originally posted by slayer14
                                              Imagine curry, Lillard and Thompson on the same team it would be a good team again golden state
                                              Who's gonna play defense? Lots of firepower but they'd be very small too.
                                              Cause Sleep is the Cousin of Death
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                                              • stevenash
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                                                • 01-17-11
                                                • 65655

                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by thomorino
                                                Another dumb shit take from Nash.

                                                The Yankees were good for many years under Steinbrenner because they outspent everyone, not because of the front office. The salary cap rules in baseball are very different now, it’s much harder to spend significantly over the cap.
                                                You're an idiot.
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                                                • stevenash
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                                                  • 01-17-11
                                                  • 65655

                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by thomorino
                                                  The contract Brand gave Horford was the worst contract I have ever seen in the NBA. Money has some issues but he’s a hundred times better than Brand. Brett Brown got blamed for everything in Philadelphia but Brand was horrible too.

                                                  They trades Bridges on draft day for a player not even in the NBA anymore.
                                                  Oh.

                                                  You have this special crystal ball that can tell you the future of how a trade works out before it happens.

                                                  Funny how you think you are smarter, better than half of all the GM's in all of professional sports yet they have six figure plus a year jobs in management and you still play wanna be tout, make pretend lawyer in mon's basement.

                                                  How's that working out for you?

                                                  The more you try to convince us how smart you are the more you convince us how big an idiot you are.
                                                  Say what you want about anybody here. Nobody believes a word that comes out of your mouth.

                                                  Truth hurt, doesn't it?
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                                                  • thomorino
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                                                    #60
                                                    Originally posted by stevenash

                                                    You're an idiot.
                                                    Originally posted by stevenash

                                                    Oh.

                                                    You have this special crystal ball that can tell you the future of how a trade works out before it happens.

                                                    Funny how you think you are smarter, better than half of all the GM's in all of professional sports yet they have six figure plus a year jobs in management and you still play wanna be tout, make pretend lawyer in mon's basement.

                                                    How's that working out for you?

                                                    The more you try to convince us how smart you are the more you convince us how big an idiot you are.
                                                    Say what you want about anybody here. Nobody believes a word that comes out of your mouth.

                                                    Truth hurt, doesn't it?
                                                    Again, Brand was horrible, the Horford contract was one of the worst contracts in the history of the NBA.

                                                    Again, the Yankees success was outspending everyone, which they don’t do anymore.

                                                    Again, you are a dumb shit and I own you.

                                                    Just stop.

                                                    The Bridges trade was horrible, and what made that deal even worse is that they traded Bridges even though he played in college at Villanova in Philadelphia so there is no reason they wouldn’t have scouted him correctly. He was also the ideal three point shooter and defender Philadelphia needed.
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                                                    • thomorino
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                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by stevenash
                                                      Oh.

                                                      You have this special crystal ball that can tell you the future of how a trade works out before it happens.

                                                      Funny how you think you are smarter, better than half of all the GM's in all of professional sports yet they have six figure plus a year jobs in management and you still play wanna be tout, make pretend lawyer in mon's basement.

                                                      How's that working out for you?

                                                      The more you try to convince us how smart you are the more you convince us how big an idiot you are.
                                                      Say what you want about anybody here. Nobody believes a word that comes out of your mouth.

                                                      Truth hurt, doesn't it?
                                                      And the word mom has an m not an n at the end you dumb shit.
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                                                      • stevenash
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                                                        • 01-17-11
                                                        • 65655

                                                        #62
                                                        Originally posted by thomorino
                                                        And the word mom has an m not an n at the end you dumb shit.
                                                        You angry bro?
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                                                        • thomorino
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                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by stevenash
                                                          You angry bro?
                                                          You are a dumb shit.
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                                                          • ThanksForTheFade
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                                                            • 04-05-21
                                                            • 1240

                                                            #64
                                                            Originally posted by thomorino
                                                            Another dumb shit take from Nash.

                                                            The Yankees were good for many years under Steinbrenner because they outspent everyone, not because of the front office. The salary cap rules in baseball are very different now, it’s much harder to spend significantly over the cap.
                                                            That's what I'm saying bro!!! How do you not have an mlb picks thread up with hot takes like these? The nation needs your fades, ehm, picks!
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                                                            • rm18
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                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by 209 Life
                                                              Should go to the Kings. Finally got a competent GM. Got some young talent to build with (Fox & Haliburton)
                                                              They are all point guards come on.
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                                                              • IBetYou
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                                                                • 07-03-15
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                                                                #66
                                                                Sixers/ Blazers now talking about a trade involving McCollum/ Simmons. Wow, what a win for the Blazers. Talk about selling low (Sixers). Lillard & Nurkic would both be much better for it.
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                                                                • jjgold
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                                                                  #67
                                                                  Simmons has way more upside an impact on a game than Lillard

                                                                  Almost every general manager in the league will take Simmons over Lillard right now
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                                                                  • NardVa
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                                                                    • 10-02-07
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                                                                    #68
                                                                    76ers or Lakers makes the most sense. Lillard with a legitimate big man is game over. The inside outside game would be unstoppable.
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                                                                    • aman86
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                                                                      • 08-29-09
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                                                                      #69
                                                                      Originally posted by lakerboy
                                                                      He has requested to be moved obviously.
                                                                      who cares, lillard is a bum.. he aint a winner doesn't play defense, nobody takes him seriously
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                                                                      • Mr KLC
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                                                                        #70
                                                                        Lillard Next Team Odds

                                                                        76ers +240
                                                                        Knicks +260
                                                                        Heat +400
                                                                        Warriors +500
                                                                        Lakers +700
                                                                        Clippers +900
                                                                        Celtics +1200
                                                                        Thunder +1400
                                                                        Raptors +1800
                                                                        Suns +2000
                                                                        Nuggets +2500
                                                                        Pelicans +2500
                                                                        Mavs +3500
                                                                        Grizz +3500
                                                                        Hawks +5000
                                                                        Magic +5000
                                                                        Wizards +5000
                                                                        Rockets +5000
                                                                        T-Wolves +5000
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