Should go to the Kings. Finally got a competent GM. Got some young talent to build with (Fox & Haliburton)
Lillard will address trade speculation today
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IBetYouSBR Hall of Famer
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#39Former players shouldn't be given jobs in the front office. They think a hard day's work entails working on your form. THat's not how it is in the real world...Comment -
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#42You said he was competent LOL. What you basing that on? THat he hasn't made things worse ina year?Comment -
stevenashModerator
- 01-17-11
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#45
There's many ex jocks that are/were failures in the front office.
But there has been a few outstanding former professionals that has become outstanding front office professionals.
Gene Michael is a good example.
Former defensive shortstop whiz for the Yankees (weak bat though) who went on to become Steinbrenner's right hand man before Cashman came along.
It wasn't until Steinbrenner got suspended from MLB for being an asshole and Michael had to call all the shots is when we learned what kind of genius Gene Michael was.
The formula to that success though is you want a former professional that knows how the game is played and how it works,
But it' much than that.
He needs to know how to put together a team roster based on needs, not star attractions, needs formal business education too. He needs to know salary cap rules and budgeting,
And now more than ever he also needs besides knowing the game, and knowing how business works he needs to know how IT and sports analytics works too.
At the risk of sounding like a blowhard, (or is it too late for that) I know.
Trust me I know.
I'm a former scholastic player (mainly baseball) good as a teenager, not good enough for any minor league consideration.
But I was born with my dads military engineering genes and always had this love affair with numbers and computers and went with that career path after HS.
As a college catcher I knew how the game is played and what is needed to staff a 25 man roster.
As a business, numbers, and IT geek I know how that part of that works too.
Why do you think a lot of former catchers go on to make good baseball people after their playing life?
Because catchers know how pitching works, and also how defense works, and offense too.
What do Joe Torre, Mike Scioscia, Melvin, Bochy, Ned Yost all have in common.
Former catchers that have won WS as managers and also have some kind of formal business schooling.
There's man more examples, Matheny for instance.
And a lot of former catchers go into other areas of baseball management.
If I were a GM and boss of the dugout manager I would tell him "even though I am very big on analytics I also played the game too, it's OK to throw out the analytics book at times and play the hot hand in certain situations and keep the hot bat in there even if he isn't the best right handed hitting vs. left handed pitching match up available and play your hunch" I get itComment -
IBetYouSBR Hall of Famer
- 07-03-15
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#46You're talking baseball. This is a basketball forum. What strategy is there in baseball anyway? Jocks are stupid & lazy. Like actors. It's not realistic to expect someone that's been living the fast life to become a computer boffin.
Countless rumours over the years of players having a good work ethic in the gym but then post-playing career not up to the mental challenges of being a top level strategist. Like Magic Johnson. He dumped the Lakers when they were at their lowest. Couple weeks later Pelinka turns the team around and Magic is on social media trying to latch onto the brand once more.
Elton Brand another guy. A lot of teams have people like him just to make up the diversity quota. He did a horrible job for them the season prior, so they bring in Morey -one of the biggest names in the business. Their decision making since night & day better. Like having a nurse do brain surgery -hey she's seen it been done lots of times so sure she can do it. No, you want intelligent people doing intelligent jobs.Comment -
IBetYouSBR Hall of Famer
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#47I don't like Morey btw, but if we're going to compare him to Elton Brand..Comment -
thomorinoRestricted User
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#48Not entirely true.
There's many ex jocks that are/were failures in the front office.
But there has been a few outstanding former professionals that has become outstanding front office professionals.
Gene Michael is a good example.
Former defensive shortstop whiz for the Yankees (weak bat though) who went on to become Steinbrenner's right hand man before Cashman came along.
It wasn't until Steinbrenner got suspended from MLB for being an asshole and Michael had to call all the shots is when we learned what kind of genius Gene Michael was.
The formula to that success though is you want a former professional that knows how the game is played and how it works,
But it' much than that.
He needs to know how to put together a team roster based on needs, not star attractions, needs formal business education too. He needs to know salary cap rules and budgeting,
And now more than ever he also needs besides knowing the game, and knowing how business works he needs to know how IT and sports analytics works too.
At the risk of sounding like a blowhard, (or is it too late for that) I know.
Trust me I know.
I'm a former scholastic player (mainly baseball) good as a teenager, not good enough for any minor league consideration.
But I was born with my dads military engineering genes and always had this love affair with numbers and computers and went with that career path after HS.
As a college catcher I knew how the game is played and what is needed to staff a 25 man roster.
As a business, numbers, and IT geek I know how that part of that works too.
Why do you think a lot of former catchers go on to make good baseball people after their playing life?
Because catchers know how pitching works, and also how defense works, and offense too.
What do Joe Torre, Mike Scioscia, Melvin, Bochy, Ned Yost all have in common.
Former catchers that have won WS as managers and also have some kind of formal business schooling.
There's man more examples, Matheny for instance.
And a lot of former catchers go into other areas of baseball management.
If I were a GM and boss of the dugout manager I would tell him "even though I am very big on analytics I also played the game too, it's OK to throw out the analytics book at times and play the hot hand in certain situations and keep the hot bat in there even if he isn't the best right handed hitting vs. left handed pitching match up available and play your hunch" I get it
The Yankees were good for many years under Steinbrenner because they outspent everyone, not because of the front office. The salary cap rules in baseball are very different now, it’s much harder to spend significantly over the cap.Comment -
thomorinoRestricted User
- 06-01-17
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#49Not entirely true.
There's many ex jocks that are/were failures in the front office.
But there has been a few outstanding former professionals that has become outstanding front office professionals.
Gene Michael is a good example.
Former defensive shortstop whiz for the Yankees (weak bat though) who went on to become Steinbrenner's right hand man before Cashman came along.
It wasn't until Steinbrenner got suspended from MLB for being an asshole and Michael had to call all the shots is when we learned what kind of genius Gene Michael was.
The formula to that success though is you want a former professional that knows how the game is played and how it works,
But it' much than that.
He needs to know how to put together a team roster based on needs, not star attractions, needs formal business education too. He needs to know salary cap rules and budgeting,
And now more than ever he also needs besides knowing the game, and knowing how business works he needs to know how IT and sports analytics works too.
At the risk of sounding like a blowhard, (or is it too late for that) I know.
Trust me I know.
I'm a former scholastic player (mainly baseball) good as a teenager, not good enough for any minor league consideration.
But I was born with my dads military engineering genes and always had this love affair with numbers and computers and went with that career path after HS.
As a college catcher I knew how the game is played and what is needed to staff a 25 man roster.
As a business, numbers, and IT geek I know how that part of that works too.
Why do you think a lot of former catchers go on to make good baseball people after their playing life?
Because catchers know how pitching works, and also how defense works, and offense too.
What do Joe Torre, Mike Scioscia, Melvin, Bochy, Ned Yost all have in common.
Former catchers that have won WS as managers and also have some kind of formal business schooling.
There's man more examples, Matheny for instance.
And a lot of former catchers go into other areas of baseball management.
If I were a GM and boss of the dugout manager I would tell him "even though I am very big on analytics I also played the game too, it's OK to throw out the analytics book at times and play the hot hand in certain situations and keep the hot bat in there even if he isn't the best right handed hitting vs. left handed pitching match up available and play your hunch" I get it
I still remember when he brought in Wacha as a reliever in a key postseason game even though Wacha had never pitched out of the pen, the game was over 3 minutes later.Comment -
thomorinoRestricted User
- 06-01-17
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#50You're talking baseball. This is a basketball forum. What strategy is there in baseball anyway? Jocks are stupid & lazy. Like actors. It's not realistic to expect someone that's been living the fast life to become a computer boffin.
Countless rumours over the years of players having a good work ethic in the gym but then post-playing career not up to the mental challenges of being a top level strategist. Like Magic Johnson. He dumped the Lakers when they were at their lowest. Couple weeks later Pelinka turns the team around and Magic is on social media trying to latch onto the brand once more.
Elton Brand another guy. A lot of teams have people like him just to make up the diversity quota. He did a horrible job for them the season prior, so they bring in Morey -one of the biggest names in the business. Their decision making since night & day better. Like having a nurse do brain surgery -hey she's seen it been done lots of times so sure she can do it. No, you want intelligent people doing intelligent jobs.
They trades Bridges on draft day for a player not even in the NBA anymore.Comment -
thomorinoRestricted User
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#51Mathematics was also one of the worst and dumbest managers in baseball. The Cardinals won the World Series because how strong the organization was, he was garbage.
I still remember when he brought in Wacha as a reliever in a key postseason game even though Wacha had never pitched out of the pen, the game was over 3 minutes later.Comment -
jjgoldSBR Aristocracy
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#53nobody beating bucks anytime soon especially if they add another player
Very tough to beat a team with dominate big manComment -
slayer14SBR Posting Legend
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#54Golden state should sign him i thinkComment -
Goat MilkBARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#55
Lmao. You are a classic prisoner of the moment Gold. Always have been. Always will be. Never forget when you told me Nadal would never win another major in 2014ish. I buried you and many others in that thread. Reaping all the glory from it many years later.
Stop looking into the now and look ahead for once in your life.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
slayer14SBR Posting Legend
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#56Imagine curry, Lillard and Thompson on the same team it would be a good team again golden stateComment -
stevenashModerator
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#58You're an idiot.Comment -
stevenashModerator
- 01-17-11
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#59The contract Brand gave Horford was the worst contract I have ever seen in the NBA. Money has some issues but he’s a hundred times better than Brand. Brett Brown got blamed for everything in Philadelphia but Brand was horrible too.
They trades Bridges on draft day for a player not even in the NBA anymore.
You have this special crystal ball that can tell you the future of how a trade works out before it happens.
Funny how you think you are smarter, better than half of all the GM's in all of professional sports yet they have six figure plus a year jobs in management and you still play wanna be tout, make pretend lawyer in mon's basement.
How's that working out for you?
The more you try to convince us how smart you are the more you convince us how big an idiot you are.
Say what you want about anybody here. Nobody believes a word that comes out of your mouth.
Truth hurt, doesn't it?Comment -
thomorinoRestricted User
- 06-01-17
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#60
Oh.
You have this special crystal ball that can tell you the future of how a trade works out before it happens.
Funny how you think you are smarter, better than half of all the GM's in all of professional sports yet they have six figure plus a year jobs in management and you still play wanna be tout, make pretend lawyer in mon's basement.
How's that working out for you?
The more you try to convince us how smart you are the more you convince us how big an idiot you are.
Say what you want about anybody here. Nobody believes a word that comes out of your mouth.
Truth hurt, doesn't it?
Again, the Yankees success was outspending everyone, which they don’t do anymore.
Again, you are a dumb shit and I own you.
Just stop.
The Bridges trade was horrible, and what made that deal even worse is that they traded Bridges even though he played in college at Villanova in Philadelphia so there is no reason they wouldn’t have scouted him correctly. He was also the ideal three point shooter and defender Philadelphia needed.Comment -
thomorinoRestricted User
- 06-01-17
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#61Oh.
You have this special crystal ball that can tell you the future of how a trade works out before it happens.
Funny how you think you are smarter, better than half of all the GM's in all of professional sports yet they have six figure plus a year jobs in management and you still play wanna be tout, make pretend lawyer in mon's basement.
How's that working out for you?
The more you try to convince us how smart you are the more you convince us how big an idiot you are.
Say what you want about anybody here. Nobody believes a word that comes out of your mouth.
Truth hurt, doesn't it?Comment -
ThanksForTheFadeSBR MVP
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#64That's what I'm saying bro!!! How do you not have an mlb picks thread up with hot takes like these? The nation needs your fades, ehm, picks!Comment -
IBetYouSBR Hall of Famer
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#66Sixers/ Blazers now talking about a trade involving McCollum/ Simmons. Wow, what a win for the Blazers. Talk about selling low (Sixers). Lillard & Nurkic would both be much better for it.Comment -
jjgoldSBR Aristocracy
- 07-20-05
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#67Simmons has way more upside an impact on a game than Lillard
Almost every general manager in the league will take Simmons over Lillard right nowComment -
NardVaSBR Hall of Famer
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#6876ers or Lakers makes the most sense. Lillard with a legitimate big man is game over. The inside outside game would be unstoppable.Comment -
Mr KLCBARRELED IN @ SBR!
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#70Lillard Next Team Odds
76ers +240
Knicks +260
Heat +400
Warriors +500
Lakers +700
Clippers +900
Celtics +1200
Thunder +1400
Raptors +1800
Suns +2000
Nuggets +2500
Pelicans +2500
Mavs +3500
Grizz +3500
Hawks +5000
Magic +5000
Wizards +5000
Rockets +5000
T-Wolves +5000Comment
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