Sam Darnald. What level of bust is he??

[mjsuax13]

Gase and roster bigger issue but Darnold sure looks great at times and like horse shit others. Too soon to call.

[mjsuax13]

Last year he was suspected to be on bath salts

Claimed to be seeing ghosts

Just watched the clip. Lol.

[JAKEPEAVY21]

He was garbage at USC. Turned the ball over all the time.

Not sure why the Jets, of all teams, thought they could fix him.

Agreed. He never impressed me while he was at USC playing against PAC 12 defenses.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Frank Gore was the Jets starting RB. How is the guy still in the league?

[seaborneq]

Gase and roster bigger issue but Darnold sure looks great at times and like horse shit others. Too soon to call.

Yes. Denver had a perfect record and zero issues coming into last night’s game with a quarterback who had never started before outplayed Darnald, but its too early to call?? How much more do you need to see?? How many times will you accept Darnald playing like horse shit?? There were times Darnald fell with no one around him in the pocket. Ive seen enough to know the jets are wasting time moving forward next year with Darnald.

[mjsuax13]

Yes. Denver had a perfect record and zero issues coming into last night’s game with a quarterback who had never started before outplayed Darnald, but its too early to call?? How much more do you need to see?? How many times will you accept Darnald playing like horse shit?? There were times Darnald fell with no one around him in the pocket. Ive seen enough to know the jets are wasting time moving forward next year with Darnald.

LOL. He’s not on my team or my QB. I don’t accept or not accept anything here.... I just know the Jets organization as a whole is trash and need a massive overhaul before I would say “throw the guy out”... you need someone to stand in there and get brutally smashed for the next 10 years like the previous 50.

It’s like being a lions fan (I am)... I have a QB who has all world stats but isn’t the guy. NFL tough business. Are you a Jets fan? People get outplayed all the time. I think Darnold has the chance to be an ok QB. Maybe needs to leave that organization. I’m ok being wrong too because it is what it is with old Darnold. The Jets do not have a strong history of developing any player.

I’m a big believer in... who the hell else you going to get? Who willingly wants to play for the Jets that’s a quality QB? Nobody.

[maggiethebestdog]

Everything in the Jets organization is terrible, from top to bottom

It is not Darnolds fault they are awful, but he is a terrible QB

He was terrible in college

It's not an either or situation

Both things are true

[mjsuax13]

Everything in the Jets organization is terrible, from top to bottom

It is not Darnolds fault they are awful, but he is a terrible QB

He was terrible in college

It's not an either or situation

Both things are true

Perfect trash pair... the organization is so flawed. What a mess. Might as well bring back Rex Ryan.

[seaborneq]

Everything in the Jets organization is terrible, from top to bottom

It is not Darnolds fault they are awful, but he is a terrible QB

He was terrible in college

It's not an either or situation

Both things are true

Agreed. Best post in the thread. You can’t separate the smoke from the fire.

[mjsuax13]

Agreed. Best post in the thread. You can’t separate the smoke from the fire.

Fair statement. What do we suggest they do? The owner is also a problem.

[stevenash]

I don't think he is that bad, give him real coach and competent teammates and he is a decent game manager.

Yeah, I'm in that camp too.
He's got less than zero for support, his line sucks, he has no running backs except 100 year old Gore, no wideouts to speak of......
I mean the guy is a road apple under center.

Same with Danny Jones, Engram's never healthy, same with Barkley and Shepherd.
He's lucky Slayton has panned out or else he be in worse shape than Sam.

[maggiethebestdog]

Yeah, I'm in that camp too.
He's got less than zero for support, his line sucks, he has no running backs except 100 year old Gore, no wideouts to speak of......
I mean the guy is a road apple under center.

Same with Danny Jones, Engram's never healthy, same with Barkley and Shepherd.
He's lucky Slayton has panned out or else he be in worse shape than Sam.

Having a terrible team around you does not excuse terrible play by the QB

When given time, Darnold misses throws constantly and cannot read coverage at all

Against the Colts, Darnold missed wide open receivers when he had time

His pick 6 in the first series was 100% on him, as was his pick in the end zone when he threw into obvious coverage

Once again, not his fault they suck, but anyone that can't see he is a horrible QB isn't paying much attention

Jones is in a terrible situation as well, but he is a turnover machine with picks and fumbles that are 100% on him

2 things can be true

[stevenash]

Having a terrible team around you does not excuse terrible play by the QB

When given time, Darnold misses throws constantly and cannot read coverage at all

Against the Colts, Darnold missed wide open receivers when he had time

His pick 6 in the first series was 100% on him, as was his pick in the end zone when he threw into obvious coverage

Once again, not his fault they suck, but anyone that can't see he is a horrible QB isn't paying much attention

Jones is in a terrible situation as well, but he is a turnover machine with picks and fumbles that are 100% on him

2 things can be true

Valid points all.

Unlike Darnold, Jones has impressed a few times and I believe those turnovers will go way down with more seasoning.

[maggiethebestdog]

Valid points all.

Unlike Darnold, Jones has impressed a few times and I believe those turnovers will go way down with more seasoning.

Jones a little younger

Listen, don't get me wrong
If they had more to work with I'm sure they wouldn't be this bad, but I just don't think they would that much above average and they were both top picks

Obviously they both have time to turn things around, I just wouldn't bet on it, even if they got on better teams

I could be wrong

I put Tribusky in with Darnold

Jones still younger, but scary with the turnovers

[seaborneq]

Jones was not better than Eli when he started last year, but Eli didn't want his career record to fall below .500 after stinking up the joint the last 7-8 years. Watching both Darnald and Jones in college and NFL I don't think either of them are as good as they were during pre draft hype. Trubinsky, Darnald, and Jones are all beneficiaries of having the LOOK of a prototypical big, strong, tall quarterback. They all look good until the ball is snapped. Once the play begins is where their problems start. You can't look bad at quarterback for a long time when you are taking all the first team reps and practicing all week and look awful once the games start. Birdseye view tells me all of them will be bust. Darnald didn't look like he was in football shape at SC. Now he is in football shape he can't read defenses. Bad combination all the way around.

[stevenash]

Jones was not better than Eli when he started last year, but Eli didn't want his career record to fall below .500 after stinking up the joint the last 7-8 years. Watching both Darnald and Jones in college and NFL I don't think either of them are as good as they were during pre draft hype. Trubinsky, Darnald, and Jones are all beneficiaries of having the LOOK of a prototypical big, strong, tall quarterback. They all look good until the ball is snapped. Once the play begins is where their problems start. You can't look bad at quarterback for a long time when you are taking all the first team reps and practicing all week and look awful once the games start. Birdseye view tells me all of them will be bust. Darnald didn't look like he was in football shape at SC. Now he is in football shape he can't read defenses. Bad combination all the way around.

Good post.

Thing I do see with Jones is he makes/completes some throws that many second year pros wouldn't dream of making/completing.
I call him an enigma because 8 pays after making that throw he'll commit that turnover most second year pros won't make.

I'll be like "Will the real Daniel Jones please stand up"

[Heltah Skeltah]

Good post.

Thing I do see with Jones is he makes/completes some throws that many second year pros wouldn't dream of making/completing.
I call him an enigma because 8 pays after making that throw he'll commit that turnover most second year pros won't make.

I'll be like "Will the real Daniel Jones please stand up"

Many 2nd year qbs make throws at times that look like they can be the answer. You r a Giants fan and probably watch every game and every throw. Other huys watching their QBs say the same exact thing with 2nd year qbs. What you think the fans say bout Minshew..how bout Burrow this year..on and on. Fact is Jones and Darnold both the type of guys who will flash 3 times a game.
If the Jets or Giants get the first pick they have to go get Lawrence from Clemson who is a once in a generation talent. Probably best since Luck came out

[veriableodds]

DARNALD a beast??

[stevenash]

Many 2nd year qbs make throws at times that look like they can be the answer. You r a Giants fan and probably watch every game and every throw. Other huys watching their QBs say the same exact thing with 2nd year qbs. What you think the fans say bout Minshew..how bout Burrow this year..on and on. Fact is Jones and Darnold both the type of guys who will flash 3 times a game.
If the Jets or Giants get the first pick they have to go get Lawrence from Clemson who is a once in a generation talent. Probably best since Luck came out

Way to early to form an opinion on Burrow as I only saw him play in that Eagle overtime game but I was really impressed.
His misses weren't by much, he had tremendous poise, had the sys of the tiger.

I believe Burrow will be a NFL top five QB after three years and that's a lot considering he plays for the Bengals.

[Otters27]

He's trying to run around like he's Pat Mahomes

[mjsuax13]

Maybe I’m the idiot. Let’s cut the guy... I just struggle with the Jets in general. A real shit organization. I’d let the next coach make the decision.

[hehfest]

He's a sack-a-thon QB. Holds onto the ball because knows he will get picked otherwise. Bust city. He doesn't read defenses well. You can tell because he throws to receivers that are draped all the time. At USC, he had all day to throw too and did not play against defenses with schemes as the NFL. The guy is over his head, looks scared and uncoordinated. Sorry time to move on for the Jets. You made a Rosen-esh pick so live with it.

The Cardinals didn't jerk around. They drafted Murray and got rid of Rosen. They figured it out quick.

[mjsuax13]

He's a sack-a-thon QB. Holds onto the ball because knows he will get picked otherwise. Bust city. He doesn't read defenses well. You can tell because he throws to receivers that are draped all the time. At USC, he had all day to throw too and did not play against defenses with schemes as the NFL. The guy is over his head, looks scared and uncoordinated. Sorry time to move on for the Jets. You made a Rosen-esh pick so live with it.

The Cardinals didn't jerk around. They drafted Murray and got rid of Rosen. They figured it out quick.

They dropped Rosen fast and hard.

[hehfest]

Darnold also can't hit the deep ball. I know for a fact after watching Flacco for years that he hits on most of those throws which gives the Jets the win. Now, Flacco has zero mobility so be ready to accept some sacks, but even with mobility Darnold finds a way to get sacked anyway. So, Flacco probably wins that game last night or the night before.

I'm not trying to tear this guy apart here (Darnold). Maybe with a lot more time he can really develop into something special. It's happened before. The problem is that's why Qb's are backup and they practice for a few years behind someone like Flacco when they clearly aren't ready. In this case, the Jets decided he was ready because of all that money they make right away which is ridiculous anyway. They think they have to play them to get the money worth before the rookie deal expires.

[thomorino]

Nobody would look good at quarterback with the Akers offensive line and skill position talent, his situation is similar to what David Carr faced in Houston.

[Yulia74]

the only thing that can stop sam darnold is mononucleosis

[PAULYPOKER]

Agreed. Best post in the thread. You can’t separate the smoke from the fire.

Not true..

Oxygen+Fuel will definitely separate smoke from any fire...

Trouble is, the Jet's organization is waterlogged.....

[lets play 83]

He’s a hard sneeze away from Down’s syndrome

[stevenash]

He’s a hard sneeze away from Down’s syndrome

Good one newbie.

[hehfest]

He’s a hard sneeze away from Down’s syndrome

But he will get more and better tang than you or I ever will......who's the one laughing?

[Mr KLC]

To be blunt, the risk of playing Darnold is greater than the potential reward. If he reinjures his shoulder, it will depress his market value, which means he won't fetch as much in a trade. He already has missed 10 games in three years. One more setback, and he will be stamped "injury-prone." That's a tough label to peel off, even if Darnold is confident there's no risk of long-term damage.

Not surprisingly, the Jets believe this a no-lose situation. If Darnold plays well down the stretch and they win a couple of games, it solidifies his position for 2021, everybody feels good and they still have a high draft pick to address a major need. If he fizzles and the team continues to lose, it sets the stage for Lawrence, who is generally regarded as a generational prospect. If he plays reasonably well but the team still lands the No. 1 pick, the Jets can pick Lawrence and get a nice return for Darnold.

General manager Joe Douglas is on record as saying Darnold is their quarterback of the future, but the future changes quickly in the NFL. Douglas didn't draft him, and he's not married to him. It would be very difficult to pass on Lawrence, no matter how Darnold finishes out the season.

That's why the Jets have more to lose than gain.

[navyblue81]

To make it even more painful, they could have had Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson but instead chose to keep Geno Smith instead of drafting Mahomes and then drafted Darnold the year they (and the whole NFL) passed on Jackson. Of course they could have easily moved back into first round to get him if they wanted like Ravens did.

[mtneer1212]

i'm not even sure he is a bust yet....... put him on the Saints or 49ers, and I think he might be ok --- hard to tell without competent coaching and support. Rosen had that, and failed.

[clockwise1965]

Next year be the deciding factor. Jets move him for Lawrence.

[nickfolker23]

Ryan Leaf/Jemarcus Russell?? Or akili smith/rick mirer?? All time or just recent bust??

A SuperBowl ring owner backs him up. Can't be that bad.