INTUITION vs ANALYSIS

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  • Vyasports
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 01-27-19
    • 4946

    #1
    INTUITION vs ANALYSIS
    How many of you have won a lot by betting solely on your "intuition" compared to betting via some sort of analysis or system?
  • Tanko
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 09-19-09
    • 5143

    #2
    The only time I've won betting on intuition (lost more than I've won) is when my blood alcohol content is somewhere between 0.12 and 0.16. Below that, and I'm too sober and still know better than betting on intuition. Above 0.16 and intuition doesn't exist or is no longer recognized as such by my brain.
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    • 2daBank
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 01-26-09
      • 88966

      #3
      Originally posted by Tanko
      The only time I've won betting on intuition (lost more than I've won) is when my blood alcohol content is somewhere between 0.12 and 0.16. Below that, and I'm too sober and still know better than betting on intuition. Above 0.16 and intuition doesn't exist or is no longer recognized as such by my brain.
      Capping the games is the part I enjoy so very rare I fire at stuff for the action, unless as you mentioned im drunk/high and chasing late games!! Lol. There some “intuition” involved in all of it tho, even the way we interpret numbers is more art than science imo, unless it guys that strictly bet with a model.
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      • jjgold
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 07-20-05
        • 388179

        #4
        Analysis does not work because if it did nobody would work

        Gambling majority of the time the unexpected so try and out guess them
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        • KVB
          SBR Aristocracy
          • 05-29-14
          • 74817

          #5
          Originally posted by jjgold
          Analysis does not work because if it did nobody would work...
          This doesn't make sense. Not at all.
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          • KVB
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 05-29-14
            • 74817

            #6
            Quantifying your intuiton or understanding the factors that you're brain is using to subconsciusly arrive at the intuitive conclusion and then understanding how those factors relate to each other allows for the ulyimate scenario to play out.

            It truly becomes not about the information, but about how it's used.

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            • KVB
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 05-29-14
              • 74817

              #7
              As I've said from just about the very first day I came to SBR.

              Track your bets and why you made them.

              Combined wtih patience and discipline, you have the essence of winning both short and long term or at the very least a significant decreas in losses for both.
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              • 2daBank
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 01-26-09
                • 88966

                #8
                Originally posted by KVB
                Quantifying your intuiton or understanding the factors that you're brain is using to subconsciusly arrive at the intuitive conclusion and then understanding how those factors relate to each other allows for the ulyimate scenario to play out.

                It truly becomes not about the information, but about how it's used.

                Absolutely, even concrete numbers can be very subjective!!
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                • KVB
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 05-29-14
                  • 74817

                  #9
                  Originally posted by 2daBank
                  Absolutely, even concrete numbers can be very subjective!!
                  I made a lot of typos but yes indeed. There are many ways to handicap. That self understanding how one handicaps keeps them from wildly betting games.

                  Sun Tzu, in "The Art of War" said...

                  If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
                  It applies here.
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                  • clockwise1965
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 10-01-13
                    • 6753

                    #10
                    Every time I've played a hunch or speculated. I got buried. Everytime!
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                    • KVB
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 05-29-14
                      • 74817

                      #11
                      One of the probelms with intuition alone is the things are often not what they seem and the brain is easily fooled by what it sees. Emotions, hopes, and the stress of trying to pick a winner can all be corrupted, or better yet be used to corrupt the intuitive strategy.

                      Emotions tend to short circuit rational thinking and sportsbooks, due to the nature of sports, exploit this often.

                      From Sun Tzu to Plato, all of these things I've written about at at SBR and Plato's Allegory of the Cave can provide valuable lessons...

                      Plato has Socrates describe a group of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall from objects passing in front of a fire behind them, and give names to these shadows. The shadows are the prisoners' reality, or thelowest level of Plato's divided line. Three higher levels exist, that a rare philosopher will attempt to climb up to. The second level up is known today as the natural sciences. The third level up is mathematics, geometry, and deductive logic.
                      Making your way out of the cave to see the sun will only benefit the sports bettor and trying to come back to the cave and convince the others there is even a sun, much less that what they see isn't real, will cause them to brand you lunatic.

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                      • pologq
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 10-07-12
                        • 19899

                        #12
                        Originally posted by KVB
                        One of the probelms with intuition alone is the things are often not what they seem and the brain is easily fooled by what it sees. Emotions, hopes, and the stress of trying to pick a winner can all be corrupted, or better yet be used to corrupt the intuitive strategy.

                        Emotions tend to short circuit rational thinking and sportsbooks, due to the nature of sports, exploit this often.

                        From Sun Tzu to Plato, all of these things I've written about at at SBR and Plato's Allegory of the Cave can provide valuable lessons...



                        Making your way out of the cave to see the sun will only benefit the sports bettor and trying to come back to the cave and convince the others there is even a sun, much less that what they see isn't real, will cause them to brand you lunatic.

                        well said
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                        • KVB
                          SBR Aristocracy
                          • 05-29-14
                          • 74817

                          #13
                          A bettor can turn the tables on the market place and take advantage too.

                          A bettor that has an anchor with some kind of quantitative analysis and can at the same time realize when the market is not only on an emotional high or low, or emotional run, but can even peg the oddsmakers and bookmakers as trying to exploit it has put himself in a great position to win.

                          Gambling is all about putting yourself in a position to win. Sometimes we do that even at a cut in the original payout, like selling back winning bets top avoid the losses or guarantee a profit. Sometimes that only works short term and can eat at long term profits of taking a side and winning a certain percent of them.

                          I often approach the golf lines with this in mind, buying futures that I hope get close so I can sell back for profit LIVE later. I don't always try to pick the winner.

                          Also, experience is invaluable and irreplaceable. It builds any intuition. So if one aggregates that experience as it's being gained then the war chest, after many seasons or years, has some serious ammo for multiple strategies.

                          That's where tracking your bets and why you made them show their real value.

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                          • 2daBank
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 01-26-09
                            • 88966

                            #14
                            Originally posted by KVB
                            One of the probelms with intuition alone is the things are often not what they seem and the brain is easily fooled by what it sees. Emotions, hopes, and the stress of trying to pick a winner can all be corrupted, or better yet be used to corrupt the intuitive strategy.

                            Emotions tend to short circuit rational thinking and sportsbooks, due to the nature of sports, exploit this often.

                            From Sun Tzu to Plato, all of these things I've written about at at SBR and Plato's Allegory of the Cave can provide valuable lessons...



                            Making your way out of the cave to see the sun will only benefit the sports bettor and trying to come back to the cave and convince the others there is even a sun, much less that what they see isn't real, will cause them to brand you lunatic.

                            Lol. Good stuff
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                            • Otters27
                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                              • 07-14-07
                              • 30760

                              #15
                              I only bet intuition.

                              Not smart enough to do analysis
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                              • Headsterx
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 12-03-16
                                • 23293

                                #16
                                My intuition is to wait for Seaweed's analysis...

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                                • KVB
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 05-29-14
                                  • 74817

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Otters27
                                  I only bet intuition.

                                  Not smart enough to do analysis
                                  Just a little bit of an anchor to keep you grounded and you just might get that much more confidence in how you attack the game.
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                                  • KVB
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 05-29-14
                                    • 74817

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Headsterx
                                    My intuition is to wait for Seaweed's analysis...

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                                    • 2daBank
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 01-26-09
                                      • 88966

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Headsterx
                                      My intuition is to wait for Seaweed's analysis...

                                      Nobody has ever gone broke with this strategy.
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                                      • thomorino
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 06-01-17
                                        • 45842

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Vyasports
                                        How many of you have won a lot by betting solely on your "intuition" compared to betting via some sort of analysis or system?
                                        Sometimes it’s important not to overthink things, the best bets usually combine both intuition and analysis. I remember when the Browns went 0-16 and every week some so called professional bettor was saying the value was in the browns, sometimes you have to keep things simple and ride trends.
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                                        • gauchojake
                                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                          • 09-17-10
                                          • 34117

                                          #21
                                          Primarily intuition to identify games that look like they fit a certain profile that I like to bet and then further analysis to identify if I have any edge or not.
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                                          • jjgold
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 07-20-05
                                            • 388179

                                            #22
                                            Hunches here
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                                            • Vyasports
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 01-27-19
                                              • 4946

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by thomorino
                                              Sometimes it’s important not to overthink things, the best bets usually combine both intuition and analysis. I remember when the Browns went 0-16 and every week some so called professional bettor was saying the value was in the browns, sometimes you have to keep things simple and ride trends.
                                              how to combine those two?
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                                              • Roger T. Bannon
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 06-28-18
                                                • 5139

                                                #24
                                                Intuition is part of your analysis. If your intuition is wrong, you had bad analysis.
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                                                • TommieGunshot
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 03-27-12
                                                  • 1609

                                                  #25
                                                  Analysis is required. If we didn't analyze our bets, how would we know if we were up or down at the end of the month or the year?

                                                  Intuition is also required. If we didn't have that, we would have to relearn everything, everyday.

                                                  How about just use a strategy to make good bets. That strategy should be based on all available information, derived from all sources and methods.
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