Is Bet Phoenix in trouble?

[dwaechte]

What's the deal with players who don't take a bonus, get -105 lines, and only play steam? Is that okay? Will those players be punished in any way? What's the policy? This issue is the main reason I have hesitated to post up at BetPhoenix.

Thanks

From everything that was said way back in that thread, if you don't take a bonus you're good to go.

[DwightShrute]

Called me begging for a deposit within 15 mins of making an account

I don't give business to solicitors

I don't work there.

#1. You opened the account, so it's not soliciting

#2. A sign of a great business is when you do open open an account online and someone does call you to see if you have any questions or that you need some help getting started. IMO

[rm18]

who else are they doing transfers with now?

[RJbetphoenix]

Taking the -05 and no bonus is fine. You will not be punished, and you will get paid.

[unknown Gambler]

[quote=DwightShrute;2079732

#2. A sign of a great business is when you do open open an account online and someone does call you to see if you have any questions or that you need some help getting started. IMO[/quote]


Pinnacle,The Greek, Betjam,and matchbook dont, are they not great buisnesses?

You also told me 4 months ago how strong Justbet is and highly recommend them.

[RJbetphoenix]

Scorpion,

What kind of bonus do you offer on book transfers from matchbook?
Our specials and standard bonuses are all open to you on your transfer.

what is the roll over?
That depends on what offer you take. Fred@betphoenix.com, or Phil@betphoenix.com will be able to hook you up on that end.

Your email at betphoenix??
Richard@Betphoenix.com

Sorry I missed the questions earlier. I hope this info is helpful.

Thanks,

Richard

[unknown Gambler]

Richard what is the max payout per transaction on ** or ** or Monetbookers?

Last time i inquired it was $750 has this changed since i spoke with Vitaly a few months ago?

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

[DwightShrute]

Pinnacle,The Greek, Betjam,and matchbook dont, are they not great buisnesses?

You also told me 4 months ago how strong Justbet is and highly recommend them.

Yes I did say that re Justbet. and ??

Pinnacle,The Greek, Betjam and matchbook very solid books of course. All I was saying was, why would it bother anyone if they call you within 15 minutes of opening an account? Someone calls you to help you get started or answer any questions that you have? Personally, why wouldn't a company do that? A little personal touch is good business. If they don't call you, doesn't make them not great businesses of course. Personal preference I suppose.

Yes people complain about Justbet, Pinnacle,The Greek, Betjam and matchbook and will continue to. Some people are born complainers IMO and nothing is ever good enough.

[MartinBlank]

just a little advice to Betphoenix..

do NOT call onner and try to get his business.. it will be the biggest mistake of your lives.. Onner is a professional gambler.. he will singlehandedly bankrupt you guys.. and don't even think of booking his national televised baseball games.. he never loses those games.. he is an espn nat'l tv game expert.. he is 19-2 this year.. booking his bets is like burning money.. you might as well just give this money to charity, cause you will lose it....so back off this guy unless you want to lose money.. he is a professional gambler..

Why are you fellating "onner"?

As for BetPhoenix.

Solid book. Fast payouts, great customer service.

[unknown Gambler]

Yes I did say that re Justbet. and ??

Pinnacle,The Greek, Betjam and matchbook very solid books of course. All I was saying was, why would it bother anyone if they call you within 15 minutes of opening an account? Someone calls you to help you get started or answer any questions that you have? Personally, why wouldn't a company do that? A little personal touch is good business. If they don't call you, doesn't make them not great businesses of course. Personal preference I suppose.

Yes people complain about Justbet, Pinnacle,The Greek, Betjam and matchbook and will continue to. Some people are born complainers IMO and nothing is ever good enough.

As i said in my 1st post in this thread i dont mind being called by anyone after opeing an account, but if some find it intrusive, i can also understand that point of view.

Also lets call the phone call that happens 15 minutes after opening an account for what it REALLY is, and thats to encourage the player to make a deposit, not to find out about the weather or to welcome them into the company.

Either way your post was a mature response to my quoting you and everyting else you stated makes sense to me.

[RJbetphoenix]

unknown Gambler,

The amount is a moving target handed to us by the third parties we use. We constantly look for new venues to keep it spread out, and with as many options as possible. Right now the max per transfer is $850 ** per name.

Regards,

Richard

[durito]

i'm sure phoenix will miss the $25 onthwhat might have posted up

[Casperwaits]

I have deposited with Bet Phoenix for the better part of the last 12 months. Never had a problem. Very friendly customer service. Good bonus book as well.

[RonPaul2008]

Just to be absolutely clear.... you are saying BetPhoenix is okay with giving -105 line set, no bonus, and playing mostly steam plays? ...and won't punish the player by: changing payout terms or deposit terms/fees, canceling wagers, or taking any money from the account? And what about lowering online limits or putting a delay on wagers?)

Thanks for your time and willingness to communicate
I just like to know exactly what i'm getting into before joining

Taking the -05 and no bonus is fine. You will not be punished, and you will get paid.

[onthewhat]

i'm sure phoenix will miss the $25 onthwhat might have posted up

[playz]

I received a transfer to matchbook today. They are good as far as I can tell.

[SSLP]

Onner pal , post up with me ill give u a 100% cash bonus 1 cent lines and max wager $1

[SSLP]

Betphoenix is one of my fav books for 09 , great book some people just dont like calls understandable .
No need to rag on Onner just for expressing his dislike of a sales call the title of the thread might have been a bit too much but he has a right to speak his mind.

[RJbetphoenix]

RP2008,

Per your question:

changing payout terms or deposit terms/fees

Wont do that.

canceling wagers,

Wont do that.

or taking any money from the account?

Wont do that.

And what about lowering online limits or putting a delay on wagers?)

As with every business, we do have to manage risk.
The account may be delayed, but you will get the number unless already in motion and we are hitting it at the same time. We will not change lines on you as policy ever.

Thanks for your time and willingness to communicate

My pleasure to be here and helping out.

I just like to know exactly what i'm getting into before joining.

You are getting into something I think you will like. Try it small to test it out. We may become another reliable place for you to play.

Regards,

Richard

[Toit]

Hi RJ,

Betphoenix used to have a sister-book with euro accounts and decimal odds.
Went up I believe, but you took care of it.

Any chance of becoming more euro friendly again in the near future?

[RJbetphoenix]

We are Euro friendly. Come to think of it...we are global friendly.

Sometimes free promos are area restricted, but not at all with standard clients.

[RonPaul2008]

Does BetPhoenix offer any Live-Betting or between quarter betting (like what cris and greek do)?

[RonPaul2008]

I have 4 additional questions after perusing the website:


1) For book to book deposits it says:
Fees:

• Min: 50 U.S. Dollars

Fees are not covered on deposits made via book to book transfer


Does this mean BetPhoenix charges a fee of at least $50? Or does it mean you can't transfer in less than $50? Is there a fee to deposit by sportsbook transfer? Does the fees not covered on deposits mean fees by the other book involved (i.e. matchbook)?




2) I don't see anything about limits on the website...


What are initial limits set to on -105 line set for NFL, NCAA Football,

NCAA Basketball, and NBA for both sides and totals?


3) Under withdrawls it says that some methods are not available to some locations.
Are checks available to US clients and can one withdraw by both checks and

sportsbook transfer if they deposit by sportsbook transfer?


4) Assuming no bonus monies, what (if any) rollover is required of deposited funds before one may make a withdrawl?




Thanks again!

[Nicky Santoro]

onner, you did a big favor to richie and betphoenix. alot of people never heard of this book and thanks to your thread here, richie might end up getting 25-50 new customers now.. you singlehandedly put betphoenix on the map.. onner, you should ask for a 100$ free play for this.. you earned it. this thread was better than any kind of advertising that they would have paid for at any other site..

[Zelda]

Sounds almost too good to be true, be careful posters and be careful RJ...
you wouldn´t be the first book that got jumped by too many sharps to handle, there have been other books before who thought they could be like Pinnacle. They failed mostly, as history clearly proves.

[Zelda]

zelda, someone told me NETeller was back in Canada. i was so happy, i didn't sleep.. i called them yesterday and they told me i can do transfers from Canada, but NOT to any gaming sites.. i cried..

is this true? where do you live zelda?


If anyone out there knows..is this true I can't use NETeller in canada?

Iam in europe. U.S., Canada and Turkey are all banned from gambling transactions with Neteller afaik, sorry Nicky.

[vega007]

Why don't you just use Instadebit SG?

[Nicky Santoro]

Iam in europe. U.S., Canada and Turkey are all banned from gambling transactions with Neteller afaik, sorry Nicky.

thanks zelda.. man, that sucks.. i tell you,, you are one lucky guy.. enjoy NETeller cause it is the greatest thing ever.. i had some great times with NETeller 5-8 yrs ago.. it was the greatest thing slice bread.. i envy you.. i wish i still had NETeller. nothing better has come along.. it used to be so good and easy to send and receive funds.. in seconds it was done.. now it's no longer the same..

offshore has never been the same since the end of NETeller.. enjoy it.. nothing lasts forever..

[Nicky Santoro]

Why don't you just use Instadebit SG?

wow, speaking of NETeller.. you lived a few minutes from the NETeller office in Calgary..

is instadebit anything like NETeller.. i doubt it.. can i send a lot back and forth to a book, or is there a small limit per week or per day? and do most books take instadebit..thanks

[Zelda]

Yea i agree, as a VIP they add some nice promos and the fees are lower.
Pinny, MB and Neteller are such a strong combo, the day they fail i´ll prolly stop with this whole thing ^^

[flyingillini]

I really like Phoenix's Soccer lines.

[Nicky Santoro]

Yea i agree, as a VIP they add some nice promos and the fees are lower.
Pinny, MB and Neteller are such a strong combo, the day they fail i´ll prolly stop with this whole thing ^^

man it's scary how you remind me of me so much.. we both love NETeller and I too have always said here at sbr that if there ever comes a day that matchbook closes up, then i retire from offshore.. matchy is like a dream come true.. 1 cent lines... wow.. how can i ever bet again into a 10 cent line if matchy's not around.. forget about it.. i will just retire.. it would not be worth it anymore to continue. we are spoiled with matchy.

[vega007]

I've signed up with Matchbook, it seems good so far but I like betting into live lines and the liquidity just doesn't seem to be there yet.

Instadebit is awesome but low limits, 3k per week I think.

I met a guy playing soccer this weekend that works with all of the ex-NETeller guys. They run an online money transfer company. He had no idea that I knew exactly what type of business NETeller dealt with and he was trying to be all secretive about it. Funny shit.

[yisman]

onner, you did a big favor to richie and betphoenix. alot of people never heard of this book and thanks to your thread here, richie might end up getting 25-50 new customers now.. you singlehandedly put betphoenix on the map.. onner, you should ask for a 100$ free play for this.. you earned it. this thread was better than any kind of advertising that they would have paid for at any other site..

your buddy tried to slime a respected 'book and it backfired on him.

[The General]

Searching bet phoenix betmania on google, thread title here popped up #6.

Is Norm still involved at all with either company?

Thanks