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  • Squirrel
    SBR MVP
    • 06-11-09
    • 1316

    #1
    MLB 2nd Half: Pitchers to watch
    Every year during the hideous event that is the all-star break, I take the time to fire some numbers into a spreadsheet and come up with lists of pitchers who I think are over/under achieving, with the intention of fading/backing them in the 2nd half of the season. These are usually guys who are on poor hitting teams, who are having stupidly good seasons or players with noticable splits in their 1st and 2nd half numbers (usually due to changing conditions etc).

    5 Pitchers to FADE in the 2nd Half:

    Dan Haren (Arizona Diamondbacks): 2.01 ERA, 0.808 WHIP
    No doubt in my mind that this guy has been the best pitcher in baseball this year, but no way can he maintain these numbers until the end of the season. His 2nd half ERA over his career is over a run higher than the 1st half, and his current ERA+ of 226 would be up there with the best ever seasons. He's been hurt by no run support plenty this year, and as the Dbacks are going to be sellers this July it seems that will continue.

    Zack Greinke (Kansas City Royals): 2.12 ERA, 1.076 WHIP
    Greinke might have finally found his spot in KC, blighted by mental issues in the past he seems to thrive on the low pressure environment, but no way can this guy maintain a 2.12 ERA in the hitter friendly AL. He wont get any run support when his team sign greats like Yuniesky Betancourt and Ryan Freel to "improve" their offense, and his numbers are already slowly coming down after a ridiculous start. KC are a last placed team in the making and as good as Greinke has been, his numbers will suffer being on a poor team.

    Wandy Rodriguez (Houston Astros): 2.96 ERA, 1.278 WHIP
    Having a good year out of absolutely nowhere, his current ERA is 1.53 lower than his career mark of 4.49. Having turned 30 he is not at an age where I would expect to see that kind of improvement in his numbers and is massively over-achieving IMO. His 142 ERA+ on the year is excellent, but he is not as good a pitcher as it suggests he is given his career mark of 96, his SO/BB ratio is also too low to maintain his current numbers barring an absurd amount of good fortune. Playing in a tough offensive division wont help, with the Cards and Brewers hitting well, and the Cubs will hit better than they have done so far this season.

    Jarrod Washburn (Seattle Mariners): 2.96 ERA, 1.086 WHIP
    This dude is having a career year at the ripe old age of 34. Despite having excellent numbers he still has 6 losses to his name thansk to a poor offense behind him and playing in the same division as the hard hitting Angels and Rangers. His ERA+ is currently 54 points higher than it was for the 2008 season, and age 34 is not where I would expect a pitcher to maintain that improved performance. I expect big time regression from this guy and assuming he's not moved to a better offensive team, will continue to get no run support in Seattle. I reckon his ERA will finish around about 4 and his ERA+ to be somewhere in the 105-110 range at the seasons end.

    Erik Bedard (Seattle Mariners): 2.63 ERA, 1.142 WHIP
    Pretty much the same reasons as Washburn, stated above. Having a stellar year but will be blighted by poor run support. His current ERA is over a run better than his career mark and his 2nd half ERA is 0.68 runs higher than his career 1st half mark. ERA+ of 163 is far better than anything he has managed before (146 being his next best, contract year in Baltimore) and though I believe Bedard will still finish with above average numbers, he will still lose plenty of games with no offense behind him. One to fade for me unless he is traded to a contender who can actually hit.


    3 Pitchers to BACK in the 2nd Half:

    Cole Hamels (Philadelphia Phillies): 4.87 ERA, 1.378 WHIP

    Guy is having an off year by his stellar standards, but has shown reasonable improvement lately. He is backed by a powerful offense and I expect him to shave more than a full run off his ERA down the stretch. His current ERA+ of 89 does not reflect how good a pitcher this guy is compared to his season average mark of 123. There isn't much difference between his season and career marks for BB/9 and K/9 and playing in the offensively light NL East will help.

    Ricky Nolasco (Florida Marlins): 5.76 ERA, 1.390 WHIP
    This guy is not an ace pitcher by any stretch but he had a stellar season in 2008 and having started off so poorly this time, has been decent in his past couple of starts. Playing for a surprising contender in the Marlins I expect him to step up and get the job done down the stretch. I Think his numbers will come down to around about league average by the seasons end and his career ERA+ of 96 reflects this. Should be able to find some good spots to back this guy in the 2nd half.

    Manny Parra (Milwaukee Brewers): 6.78 ERA, 1.786 WHIP
    Manny Parra is by far and away a better pitcher than what he has shown this season. Spent time in the minor leagues thanks to an ERA+ of 63 but was excellent in his last start before the break against the Cards. Milwaukee figure to continue being a good hitting team so he can afford to be below average and still pick up a nice amount of wins. I Think Parra steps up down the track and gets his numbers back to somewhere close to his career averages so far (4.98 ERA).


    These are just my personal opinions and I will be finding my spots to back/fade these guys as the season goes on. Joe Public like to bet on teams when an "ace" is on the mound so i reckon some nice wins will be had with these, especially fading guys like Haren and Greinke, who are good but cannot (IMO) maintain their current numbers, and will be hurt by crap run support.

    I'll re-visit this at the seasons end to see how right (or wrong, lol) I was.

  • Deuce
    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
    • 01-12-08
    • 29843

    #2
    No
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    • konck
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 10-17-06
      • 12554

      #3
      Johan had a great 2nd half last year i look for a repeat big
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      • konck
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 10-17-06
        • 12554

        #4
        And the mets to rally this time instead of fadeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :d
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        • Willie Bee
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 02-14-06
          • 15726

          #5
          Squirrel, Wandy's success isn't exactly out of the blue, though I do think you're correct in him being a good fade candidate the rest of the way. Each of the last three seasons his ERA has jumped up after the All-Star Break: 2006-08 his ERA before the break was 4.23 compared to 5.21 after the ASG. I certainly don't expect him to finish this season with a sub-3.00 ERA.
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          • fifawcs
            SBR MVP
            • 05-14-07
            • 2888

            #6
            Bronson Arroyo always has good 2nd halfs after atrocious 1st halfs.
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            • Squirrel
              SBR MVP
              • 06-11-09
              • 1316

              #7
              WillieBee: Great input, thanks, you are correct in what you say and I agree its not so out of the ordinary, I see him being bet by the "public" in spots based on his ERA, which will not stay sub 3 as you say.

              Fifawcs: Good shout on Arroyo, he made the shortlist because of strong 2nd half numbers, I just left him off because Cincy are offensively inept.

              Cheers for the input boys
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              • Wilforth
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                • 05-10-08
                • 16309

                #8
                Great write-up!
                While one expects Parra to do well in the 2nd half, I wouldn't congratulate a pitcher for a good outing against the Cardinals. It's like congratulating Sanchez (Giants) for a no-hitter against the Padres. I wouldn't consider a no-hitter against the Padres as a feat worthy of note. All the Cardinals do is just sit around and hope that Pujols puts up a show! If you've been very observant, Under has been money when the Cardinals' better pitchers take the mound because of the epilectic condition of the Cardinals' offense.
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                • Squirrel
                  SBR MVP
                  • 06-11-09
                  • 1316

                  #9
                  Its true the Cards offense has been bad, I was just using it as an example that he can still get major league hitters out. I Will be very surprised if Parras ERA is that high come the end of the season. I Dont want these guys to win the Cy Young or anything, just want to find them in good spots to back.

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                  • Chi_archie
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-22-08
                    • 63172

                    #10
                    I would add Zach Duke to the fade list
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                    • Rich Boy
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 02-01-09
                      • 9714

                      #11
                      Add all Nationals pitchers to the fade list.
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                      • fifawcs
                        SBR MVP
                        • 05-14-07
                        • 2888

                        #12
                        Cincy may surprise a lot of you. Their offense has underperformed in the first half. Plus, they will most certainly acquire someone at the deadline with Bruce being out. This could be a blessing in disguise since Bruce was basically a power hitter who wasn't able to hit for average.
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                        • Razz_Donkey
                          SBR MVP
                          • 12-27-08
                          • 1756

                          #13
                          A good guy to add to the fade list would be Andy Pettitte for the second half. You can already see the rise in his ERA, and he has had notoriously poor second halfs for awhile now. With a guy like him, it may be better sometimes to side with the over instead of fading such a strong team. Good luck with the second half, and good write ups.
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                          • Squirrel
                            SBR MVP
                            • 06-11-09
                            • 1316

                            #14
                            I left Andy Pettite off as a fade for the same reason I left Chris Carpenter off, figuring both will get mad run support assuming the Cards make a deal for some bats somewhere.
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                            • lakerboy
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 04-02-09
                              • 94383

                              #15
                              The guy who will improve most is wang from new york- watch
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                              • Squirrel
                                SBR MVP
                                • 06-11-09
                                • 1316

                                #16
                                To be fair he cant actually get much worse, and there will never be any value betting him because the Yankees are always stupidly over juiced - just like most of their offense from the 90's dynasty.
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                                • lakerboy
                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                  • 04-02-09
                                  • 94383

                                  #17
                                  [quote=Squirrel;2025789]To be fair he cant actually get much worse, and there will never be any value betting him because the Yankees are always stupidly over juiced - just like most of their offense from the 90's dynasty.[/quote]


                                  like o'neill,brosius, martinez and jeter
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                                  • StraightUp
                                    SBR Rookie
                                    • 07-11-09
                                    • 5

                                    #18
                                    Interesting thread
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                                    • Willie Bee
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 02-14-06
                                      • 15726

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Razz_Donkey
                                      A good guy to add to the fade list would be Andy Pettitte for the second half. You can already see the rise in his ERA, and he has had notoriously poor second halfs for awhile now. With a guy like him, it may be better sometimes to side with the over instead of fading such a strong team. Good luck with the second half, and good write ups.
                                      Razz, that was true of Pettitte in 2008, but that is not the norm for him historically. Here's how his pre- and post-ASG ERAs have gone the past six years:

                                      2003 Pre-4.63 ... Post-3.31
                                      2004 Pre-4.40 ... Post-3.15
                                      2005 Pre-3.09 ... Post-1.70
                                      2006 Pre-5.28 ... Post-2.79
                                      2007 Pre-4.25 ... Post-3.84
                                      2008 Pre-4.03 ... Post-5.42
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                                      • FrozenMAN
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 01-23-09
                                        • 4334

                                        #20
                                        nolasco is gonna win double digit games this 2nd half, write it down
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                                        • DrStale
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 12-07-08
                                          • 9692

                                          #21
                                          Excellent write-up. Big time agreement onf Greinke and Washburn. They're going to come back to Earth in a big way.

                                          With Manny Parra you never know. This guy's mind is even more fragile mentally than Greinke is and he is not very bright. When he just goes out and throws he can be great, as he showed in his last start, but the minute he starts thinking too much he's done. I think a lot of his success is going to depend on Jason Kendall, one of the greatest in the game at working with pitchers, being able to steer Parra in the right direction during games.
                                          Originally posted by Dark Horse
                                          If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to believe in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?
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                                          • Wilforth
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                                            • 05-10-08
                                            • 16309

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Rich Boy
                                            Add all Nationals pitchers to the fade list.
                                            Please, leave them alone. If the Nats can fix their bullpen issues, they may do better in the 2nd half.
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                                            • Razz_Donkey
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 12-27-08
                                              • 1756

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Willie Bee
                                              Razz, that was true of Pettitte in 2008, but that is not the norm for him historically. Here's how his pre- and post-ASG ERAs have gone the past six years:

                                              2003 Pre-4.63 ... Post-3.31
                                              2004 Pre-4.40 ... Post-3.15
                                              2005 Pre-3.09 ... Post-1.70
                                              2006 Pre-5.28 ... Post-2.79
                                              2007 Pre-4.25 ... Post-3.84
                                              2008 Pre-4.03 ... Post-5.42
                                              Thanks Willie, I was under the impression that Pettitte had been slipping up for the last 2-3 years at the break. Had no idea it was only last year. Thanks for the correction.
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                                              • MainEventOrBust
                                                SBR Hustler
                                                • 07-16-09
                                                • 51

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Squirrel
                                                Dan Haren (Arizona Diamondbacks): 2.01 ERA, 0.808 WHIP
                                                No doubt in my mind that this guy has been the best pitcher in baseball this year, but no way can he maintain these numbers until the end of the season. His 2nd half ERA over his career is over a run higher than the 1st half, and his current ERA+ of 226 would be up there with the best ever seasons. He's been hurt by no run support plenty this year, and as the Dbacks are going to be sellers this July it seems that will continue.
                                                You are a brave man, I can't fade anyone who is < 0.99 WHIP.
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                                                • Kakaruko
                                                  SBR Rookie
                                                  • 07-16-09
                                                  • 11

                                                  #25
                                                  Very nice post.. i will also add Josh Beckett
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