Raiders have to be tanking.

[yisman]

As for last night, the team completely quit. Zero effort.

I'm not saying they have a lot of talent but they were playing a bad team and let the 49ers do whatever they wanted.


Defense left huge holes again and again, the OL didn't block, etc.

[ikid2groove415]

Same idiots in here would say how bad jimmy Johnson is in 1989 and get rid of him ? It’s call rebuilding ? Who the f cares how bad they look now - talk in 2-3 years - not saying gruden will pull off what jimmy did and built a powerhouse like Dallas .... but let’s wait .... This current raiders roster wasn’t going win anything- including with MACK (144 million) so he’s rebuilding this whole roster his way

[Sam Odom]

what gruden will do or not do in 2-3 yrs have zero to do with the fact many Oak players quit last night

[ikid2groove415]

what gruden will do or not do in 2-3 yrs have zero to do with the fact many Oak players quit last night

Doesn’t matter? Those players ain’t part of the raiders future - you don’t think players quit on jimmy Johnson in 1989 in Dallas? They went 1-15

[Sam Odom]

ikid

very good luck tonight & Saturday

[thechaoz]

Coming in 2020: New city. New stadium. Sold out games. Second full year of Gruden shopping for the groceries. They'll be fine.

and none of that has anything to do with the players, the coaching, or the scheme on the field. So no, they won't be fine

[ikid2groove415]

How many more raiders thread everytime they lose a game this season? 1-15 is good - GURANTEE Number 1 pick

[flakeandbake]

i read a conspiracy theory at the start of the season saying Raiders are going to shit because the NFL doesn't want a stadium that close to the LA Chargers or Rams. So far I continue to believe this to be true and obvious. Makes sense why they brought in Grudden then. Last night was the final straw.

[johnnyvegas13]

Do u blame gruden for wanting a good pk

That's half the reason they brought him in not to draft moronic

[ikid2groove415]

i read a conspiracy theory at the start of the season saying Raiders are going to shit because the NFL doesn't want a stadium that close to the LA Chargers or Rams. So far I continue to believe this to be true and obvious. Makes sense why they brought in Grudden then. Last night was the final straw.

Lollollol this guys never watch football - and see how teams are built -

[flakeandbake]

Lollollol this guys never watch football - and see how teams are built -

I never watch football? Ok ikid

[flakeandbake]

Lollollol this guys never watch football - and see how teams are built -

I'll bet you any amount of $ you want that the Raiders will be moved to a new location next year

[lonegambler23]

no theyre just that bad

[VeggieDog]

I'll bet you any amount of $ you want that the Raiders will be moved to a new location next year

Ok, I'll take that bet. I say they won't move until 2020.

[Mr KLC]

How is Gruden going to replace 47 players with 3 first rounders?

[ikid2groove415]

How is Gruden going to replace 47 players with 3 first rounders?

Just ask jimmy Johnson in
1989

[NardVa]

I'm gone book mark this thread and come back in 4 years. Gruden will be gone and the Raiders will be bottom feeders. This team isn't going anywhere. The Raiders will become the new Browns. Gruden is living off a Super Bowl he got with Dungy's team. This guy talks a good game on TV, but that's means nothing on the football field.

[ikid2groove415]

I'm gone book mark this thread and come back in 4 years. Gruden will be gone and the Raiders will be bottom feeders. This team isn't going anywhere. The Raiders will become the new Browns. Gruden is living off a Super Bowl he got with Dungy's team. This guy talks a good game on TV, but that's means nothing on the football field.

Would tony dungy ever win a super bowl in Tampa ?

[flakeandbake]

How is Gruden going to replace 47 players with 3 first rounders?

How much do you love spewing ?

[Pick'nParlays]

Gruden drama already, he has 10 years people.

[kingdom]

Just ask jimmy Johnson in
1989

the question is when has it happened since then. that was the exception. not the rule. you have to not only get the picks, but strike gold with them as well. buffalo has been horrible for years. how many great players have they drafted? the jets? miami? cleveland? detroit? upper mgmt has a lot to do with where a bad team goes, up or down.

[flakeandbake]

I'm gone book mark this thread and come back in 4 years. Gruden will be gone and the Raiders will be bottom feeders. This team isn't going anywhere. The Raiders will become the new Browns. Gruden is living off a Super Bowl he got with Dungy's team. This guy talks a good game on TV, but that's means nothing on the football field.

Yea, that's what the NFL wants - another Browns. Seems like something the league is itching to rebrand. The incentives don't align

[Mr KLC]

The Raiders have cut DE Bruce Irvin

[ikid2groove415]

the question is when has it happened since then. that was the exception. not the rule. you have to not only get the picks, but strike gold with them as well. buffalo has been horrible for years. how many great players have they drafted? the jets? miami? cleveland? detroit? upper mgmt has a lot to do with where a bad team goes, up or down.

Good management can build winning teams - obviously finding a franchise QB is the hardest thing 2 do .... so there’s other ways - go heavy on defense with a average QB

[Mr KLC]

Raiders told Bruce Irvin they will release him, but Irvin was not on today’s NFL wire, meaning he now cannot be released until 4 pm Monday. If and when he is, he then will go on waivers.

[Mr KLC]

Bruce Irvin statement: