Heard a rumor Meadowlands sports book didn't pay a Broncos live Ticket

**jts1207** · 09-20-18, 04:16 PM

Terrible look and bad for business.

**jjgold** · 09-20-18, 04:22 PM

terrible they paid

**Optional** · 09-20-18, 04:25 PM

I hope they didnt just pay out to avoid publicity or even worse, to avoid having to defend their rules.

I hope the gaming authority still makes a comment on how this should work ongoing.

Opportunity lost for punters if not.

**TheGuesser** · 09-20-18, 04:32 PM

This is EXACTLY what should have happened. Good on Fanduel for making this right. The positive PR on this will pay for itself many times over in the long run. And hopefully they'll be more careful in the future. http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id...0-disputed-bet

**Mrtop7** · 09-20-18, 04:33 PM

11 other guys got paid also that live bet the game

**ikid2groove415** · 09-20-18, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by TheGuesser

This is EXACTLY what should have happened. Good on Fanduel for making this right. The positive PR on this will pay for itself many times over in the long run. And hopefully they'll be more careful in the future. http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id...0-disputed-bet

Thats because they made millions on free advertising-

**ikid2groove415** · 09-20-18, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by Mrtop7

11 other guys got paid also that live bet the game

This shit was all plan out by FANDUEL

**Mrtop7** · 09-20-18, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by ikid2groove415

This shit was all plan out by FANDUEL

could be

**LT Profits** · 09-20-18, 04:47 PM

WOW, did not see this coming. Maybe being a fledging book played into doing 180 turn, and as others have said, could be good for the long run.

**ikid2groove415** · 09-20-18, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

WOW, did not see this coming. Maybe being a fledging book played into doing 180 turn, and as others have said, could be good for the long run.

LT a sharp guy like yourself should know how advertising work- you don’t think they profit more then 200K the last two days when radio/TV sports show mention FANDUEL?

**KVB** · 09-20-18, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by Optional

I hope they didnt just pay out to avoid publicity or even worse, to avoid having to defend their rules.

I hope the gaming authority still makes a comment on how this should work ongoing.

Opportunity lost for punters if not.

**KVB** · 09-20-18, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by ans61201

KVB maybe read up on the actual, updated story, no refund was ever offered. I'm semi surprised and then not surprised that you've taken up some a big backing for the player in this case.

If they were intentionally trying to dick a bunch of people the error would be up for longer than 18 seconds

Honestly, if you see my posts, I really am not talking about this case but how it should be handled in general. It's not so much about what specifically happened here in the aftermath, it's about whether or not they are forced to avoid it from happening again.

Paid, refunded, offers refused, whatever, I haven't addressed any of that, simply that errors, especially obvious errors, can not be sold.

If you think I took the side of the player in this specific case, read again. I most certainly did not.

**KVB** · 09-20-18, 04:59 PM

It's not online folks, I'm trying to tell you.

If you think it was all just an advertising stunt, great, stunt or not, I don't think they were going to win a court case, they were going to be paying.

It's not about the bettor, who should now never be able to play there again, it's more about honoring a bet that a computer printed, but a human, under supervision, sold to someone.

Let's see how often bad lines get sold now.

**ikid2groove415** · 09-20-18, 05:03 PM

People are really naive in this world - This was all scripted by FANDUEL-

**ikid2groove415** · 09-20-18, 05:05 PM

Would cost millions 2 get this kinda PR- case closed

**mrpapageorgio** · 09-20-18, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

terrible they paid

When reached for comment about being paid, the bettor had this to say in response to JJgold's comments:

**LT Profits** · 09-20-18, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by ikid2groove415

LT a sharp guy like yourself should know how advertising work- you don’t think they profit more then 200K the last two days when radio/TV sports show mention FANDUEL?

Just stop, FanDuel did not do it intentionally, it was a legit computer glitch and line was up for less than a minute I think (remember, it was live betting).

**KVB** · 09-20-18, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

terrible they paid

No Gold, boot the guy.

I may have forgotten more about gambling than you will ever know, Gold.

Per the link above...

The company initially refused to pay the bet placed at its sportsbook at the Meadowlands Racetrack, saying it isn't obligated to pay for obvious errors. But FanDuel reversed field after consulting with state gambling regulators.

New Jersey said how it was going to be without ever going to court. That's what I wanted to see.

Like I said, shit like this will get you buried in Vegas, Jersey aren't rookies at gambling.

This isn't online, folks.

**ikid2groove415** · 09-20-18, 05:13 PM

This work out perfect right? They got talk about for a whole 2 days in the gambling/sports world? Oh and at the end? They did pay there customers for there mistakes - What a great book lololololol - If that’s not hustling for business? Then I don’t know what is ...

**LT Profits** · 09-20-18, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by KVB

simply that errors, especially obvious errors, can not be sold.

And how could this be avoidable? Only possible way would be to have all bets places at the counter, which is totally impractical for live betting.

**Optional** · 09-20-18, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by KVB

No Gold, boot the guy.

I may have forgotten more about gambling than you will ever know, Gold.

Per the link above...

New Jersey said how it was going to be without ever going to court. That's what I wanted to see.

Like I said, shit like this will get you buried in Vegas, Jersey aren't rookies at gambling.

This isn't online, folks.

New Jersey have not said what it will be. And I'll bet you dollars to donuts the rule Fanduel has will stay.

The NJ operators and the regulator got together and decided their point of difference with offshore is perceived player fairness and regulation, so insisted Fanduel end this now rather than have it drag out into a court case.

The palpable error rule will stay for both online and B&M same as it exists every single regulated jurisdiction. And will be over-enforced in time, once the local market no longer feels in competition with offshore.

**ikid2groove415** · 09-20-18, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

Just stop, FanDuel did not do it intentionally, it was a legit computer glitch and line was up for less than a minute I think (remember, it was live betting).

So I’m sure this happen in Vegas books 2?

**fried cheese** · 09-20-18, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by Optional

New Jersey have not said what it will be. And I'll bet you dollars to donuts the rule Fanduel has will stay.

The NJ operators and the regulator got together and decided their point of difference with offshore is perceived player fairness and regulation, so insisted Fanduel end this now rather than have it drag out into a court case.

The palpable error rule will stay for both online and B&M same as it exists every single regulated jurisdiction. And will be over-enforced in time, once the local market no longer feels in competition with offshore.

it doesnt matter if they keep it in the rules. companies keep rules in their tos that are not legal all the time just to trick ppl so they dont try to fight them on it.

**fried cheese** · 09-20-18, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

And how could this be avoidable? Only possible way would be to have all bets places at the counter, which is totally impractical for live betting.

how about fixing your software?

**LT Profits** · 09-20-18, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by fried cheese

how about fixing your software?

Even having the best software in the world would not prevent the occasional glitch. And when that happens, there is no verification process por se when betting on machines.

**ikid2groove415** · 09-20-18, 05:43 PM

Live betting been around for a long time ? How come Vegas never had this problem? FD first year doing Sportsbook and BAM week 2 glitch? How isn’t this suspicious for a company that’s new 2 the game and trying 2 gain customers?

**LT Profits** · 09-20-18, 05:44 PM

And for all we know, this could have been the first major computer glitch since the book's inception, it is not as if it is common occurrence.

**fried cheese** · 09-20-18, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

Even having the best software in the world would not prevent the occasional glitch. And when that happens, there is no verification process por se when betting on machines.

so then how can they do stock trading bots? do they ask for refunds when they screw up and lose millions?

**LT Profits** · 09-20-18, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by ikid2groove415

Live betting been around for a long time ? How come Vegas never had this problem? FD first year doing Sportsbook and BAM week 2 glitch? How isn’t this suspicious for a company that’s new 2 the game and trying 2 gain customers?

More than two weeks, I think they opened in July and this is the first issue we have heard.

**KVB** · 09-20-18, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by ikid2groove415

Live betting been around for a long time ? How come Vegas never had this problem? FD first year doing Sportsbook and BAM week 2 glitch? How isn’t this suspicious for a company that’s new 2 the game and trying 2 gain customers?

Vegas deals with this too.

The Vegas commission handles it on a case by case basis.

**LT Profits** · 09-20-18, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by fried cheese

so then how can they do stock trading bots? do they ask for refunds when they screw up and lose millions?

I have no clue about that. But are you inferring there is software out there that guarantees 100% reliability?

**KVB** · 09-20-18, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

And how could this be avoidable? Only possible way would be to have all bets places at the counter, which is totally impractical for live betting.

I asked earlier in this thread if it was counter or kiosk betting.

I am only talking about counter betting, when a human hands the ticket.

Kiosk is betting online rules.

If you are counter betting, and can't figure out a way to tell if you are about to sell a wildly off number, then update your system or get out of the live line business.

It's that simple.

Errors, occur, but they don't have to be sold.

Kiosks could do the same, any system could and it should.

**Optional** · 09-20-18, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by fried cheese

it doesnt matter if they keep it in the rules. companies keep rules in their tos that are not legal all the time just to trick ppl so they dont try to fight them on it.

Agree.

Which is why it would have been far far better for the NJ Commission to hear the matter and make a precedent setting ruling. For punters.

**fried cheese** · 09-20-18, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by LT Profits

I have no clue about that. But are you inferring there is software out there that guarantees 100% reliability?

well i dont ever remember typing an equation into my calculator and it being wrong. are you saying that every calculator will make a mistake at some point? maybe the hardware wears out but i dont think software will mess up in most calculators.

**Optional** · 09-20-18, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by KVB

I asked earlier in this thread if it was counter or kiosk betting.

News articles talk about a mix of counter and online bets.