Heard a rumor Meadowlands sports book didn't pay a Broncos live Ticket

[newton0038]

Might be the end of live bets for a forseable future.

[matrix1022]

They should pay him for a Giantic Marketing!!! That we pay !!!!! You play we pay and make millions on that alone !!!

[moojoo]

This might be just marketing spin by FD. They will pay eventually,im sure.

[ikid2groove415]

Might be the end of live bets for a forseable future.

You don’t hear anything like this in Vegas books with live bets? And they been doing it for years- fanduel looks bad here

[jjgold]

this got blown so out of proportion

It just goes to show what scumbags most sports bettors are thinking he should get paid

I have always said most gamblers will steal from their families to get a bet down

[ikid2groove415]

The irony part is fanduel is getting free advertising because every radio show/sports show is talking about this and that is way more then $138K- They should just pay the customer and gain more business in the long RUN-

[downsouth]

Tough spot for books here as its going to set a precedence. Its one thing paying out a couple hundred or even a few grand and booting the player but this is a bit extreme.

And the player is clearly a shot taker and they really are shit for the rest of us.

[allabout the $$$]

The irony part is fanduel is getting free advertising because every radio show/sports show is talking about this and that is way more then $138K- They should just pay the customer and gain more business in the long RUN-

normally another company would step in for the publicity with a good form of compensation or saying if that bet was with us we would pay it.

do you notice how no one is saying that? no one is stepping in for all the millions of dollars of good publicity it would attract for them, why is that?

guy is a shot taker and fan duel should not pay him. sets a bad precedent and all of the shot takers will be out in full force.

it will ruin sportsbetting in nj

[jjgold]

it was the wort bad line in the history of sportsbetting

not even remotely close to Fandual looking bad

[Sam Odom]

I have always said most gamblers will steal from their families to get a bet down

Like stealing socks full of $$$

[ikid2groove415]

normally another company would step in for the publicity with a good form of compensation or saying if that bet was with us we would pay it.

do you notice how no one is saying that? no one is stepping in for all the millions of dollars of good publicity it would attract for them, why is that?

guy is a shot taker and fan duel should not pay him. sets a bad precedent and all of the shot takers will be out in full force.

it will ruin sportsbetting in nj

So Vegas Sportsbook been running live play for years now and never had this problem? Fanduel should not be in business if they can’t get there software right - (maybe this is plan 2 get free massive advertising for fanduel -

[Bsims]

JJ yes, we don't want shot takers in our book, take the risk and be caught later and ready to accept the future consequences or report the bad line and get rewarded. You always have the choice!

Many years ago I saw a pretty bad line on a minor soccer match at 5Dimes (big dog). The game was several days off. I sent an Email questioning the line. No response, so the next day I sent them another. Again no response, and the line didn't change. So I wagered a large amount on the dog. Then I scalped with another book a much larger amount. The dog won and I lost a bundle on the favorite. 5Dimes did not grade the wager with them for several days, then cancelled it. I complained and their response was it was a bad line.

For a $100 bettor, a couple thousand hit was significant. Sure I was pissed and stayed away from 5Dimes for several years. But I was wrong too and should not have tried to take advantage of the situation. So, 5Dimes is still one of my primary books. (If the favorite had won I'd made out like a bandit.)

[jjgold]

Ban the kid

Scammer

[KVB]

Many years ago I saw a pretty bad line on a minor soccer match at 5Dimes (big dog). The game was several days off. I sent an Email questioning the line. No response, so the next day I sent them another. Again no response, and the line didn't change. So I wagered a large amount on the dog. Then I scalped with another book a much larger amount. The dog won and I lost a bundle on the favorite. 5Dimes did not grade the wager with them for several days, then cancelled it. I complained and their response was it was a bad line.

For a $100 bettor, a couple thousand hit was significant. Sure I was pissed and stayed away from 5Dimes for several years. But I was wrong too and should not have tried to take advantage of the situation. So, 5Dimes is still one of my primary books. (If the favorite had won I'd made out like a bandit.)

It sounds like 5 dimes freerolled you there.

I always call the book, not email, but even so, 5 dimes took advantage of you.

This free roll is ok online and widely accepted because the books, who have total say, say so.

That won't fly at a counter in the US, at least I don't think it will.

[cashin81]

There was a case here in uk - the book didnt turn up to court, so the judge sided with the gambler and he won a clear obvious error.

was only 1k though.

theres been other cases gone to court, but not really for obvious error...

[KVB]

Ban the kid

Scammer

Yes JJ, it's the game within the game.

Free roll the shot takers, who's going to complain?

That's the issue I have, what's to stop the books from adding a 0 to the live line, free roll the winners, and because it's brick an mortar, let the losers walk out losing.

New Jersey, it turns out, has a lot more shit to get together than it appears.

Not so much the books, they are running their game, but the legislature is behind the times, even though they are ahead of so many.

[KVB]

There was a case here in uk - the book didnt turn up to court, so the judge sided with the gambler and he won a clear obvious error.

was only 1k though.

theres been other cases gone to court, but not really for obvious error...

Courts are courts and the US is different and we can only argue so much with the courts.

I would gavel down that the bettor gets a free meal or a free bet of the same dollar amount but doesn't get paid for the shot he took on the obvious error.

Instead, the book, for selling an "obvious error" should have to pay a fine, even as much as the amount they would have paid the bettor, or a standard fine.

WHICHEVER IS GREATER!!!!

Let's see how many errors actually make it from the error to the betting ticket without some sort of intervention.

There's your brick and mortar solution.

Use the fine to finance gambling addiction counselors...lol.

[ikid2groove415]

Publicity stunt by Fanduel - enourmous exposure - most people don’t even know that fanduel is a Sportsbook - you guys don’t know the business world tactics -

[Optional]

That's the issue I have, what's to stop the books from adding a 0 to the live line, free roll the winners, and because it's brick an mortar, let the losers walk out losing.

Man I hear this a lot

Why haven't books been doing that to everyone since live betting started if it's such an obvious thing for them to do?

What exact advantage do you see for their business ongoing in doing this on purpose?


They have a license to take money off the public risk free pretty much. What sort of idiot would then say, ok let's risk that and come up with a plan to steal extra from customers?

It's a senseless assumption. Surprised you are among the flocks of geese who say it.

[Mrtop7]

Publicity stunt by Fanduel - enourmous exposure - most people don’t even know that fanduel is a Sportsbook - you guys don’t know the business world tactics -

they made over 3 million revenue in august 2018 . More than any las vegas sportsbook. Nobody knows they are a sportsbook???

[jjgold]

Anyone supporting the player here should be embarrassed and a shamed of himself

[ikid2groove415]

they made over 3 million revenue in august 2018 . More than any las vegas sportsbook. Nobody knows they are a sportsbook???

Are they not getting free advertising?

[KVB]

Man I hear this a lot

Why haven't books been doing that to everyone since live betting started if it's such an obvious thing for them to do?

What exact advantage do you see for their business ongoing in doing this on purpose?


They have a license to take money off the public risk free pretty much. What sort of idiot would then say, ok let's risk that and come up with a plan to steal extra from customers?

It's a senseless assumption. Surprised you are among the flocks of geese who say it.

Flocks of geese? I haven't seen it written by anyone but me in this thread. I've never, ever, heard anyone say it.

And I never said they would do it, I said what's to stop them from doing it?

Opit, you know legalization, so I get that. I don't think they would or have much incentive. I agree with you.

Until you are in those books late at night and see some of the bettors remaining.

Whether they will do it or not is really not the point, I never said they would do it. However, I have been around a long time in sportsbooks, at many hours during all seasons and types of games.

There should be restrictions, laws, things that do not allow any sportsbook to post rules where others think it is "law."

This is not online.

If they can't avoid selling, not making, but selling a mistake, then they need to get out of the business for good. There are too many hands and people involved that can physically see the ticket and know it's made at a counter.

Again this is not online.

You can't take action after the fact on all accounts involved.

Fuk it, let's go the snowflake route and set up a safe place for shot takers, a fund for those who might be wronged instead of just taking action to eliminate foolish obvious errors.

Funny how it's an obvious error when the game is over.

We've added, on top of computers, people, and still get the "obvious" errors?

Unacceptable when your at counter. Unacceptable.

I don't care if it's live or for next year, it's unacceptable given the safeguards that could be put in place.

[ikid2groove415]

Anyone supporting the player here should be embarrassed and a shamed of himself

All made up / publicity stunt - free advertising

[KVB]

And acutally, in a sense, I am bent out of shape now.

You online gambling gurus are out of your element.

This has nothing to do with online gambling and anything you know from online gambling is trying to be adapted to the counter.

I think that is a horrible precedent, for so many reasons, and think Jersey may be fukking up here.

[Mrtop7]

Are they not getting free advertising?

but you said nobody knows they are a sports book . I would have to say you are not correct.

[KVB]

Anyone supporting the player here should be embarrassed and a shamed of himself

I agree.

But anyone supporting the guys at the counter that sold an "obvious error" to some diphsit should also be embarrassed and ashamed.

The book was either in on it or too stupid to know what was happening.

There is no other option on a casino floor. This is not online!!!!!!!

If it's the too stupid part, and it goes to the top of management, then there is no choice but to have legislation get involved.

Which is lame.

If they were in on it, it's the same end.

So just put the safeguards in place now, because people are just plain stupid.

[Mrtop7]

And acutally, in a sense, I am bent out of shape now.

You online gambling gurus are out of your element.

This has nothing to do with online gambling and anything you know from online gambling is trying to be adapted to the counter.

I think that is a horrible precedent, for so many reasons, and think Jersey may be fukking up here.

did new jersey division of gaming make a decision yet ?

[fried cheese]

Man I hear this a lot

Why haven't books been doing that to everyone since live betting started if it's such an obvious thing for them to do?

What exact advantage do you see for their business ongoing in doing this on purpose?


They have a license to take money off the public risk free pretty much. What sort of idiot would then say, ok let's risk that and come up with a plan to steal extra from customers?

It's a senseless assumption. Surprised you are among the flocks of geese who say it.

its not risk free. isn't ceasars in bankruptcy? casinos fail all the time. trump couldn't make it work. plenty of reasons for casinos to try to generate actual risk free income. i've seen complaints on here about books doing questionable/scam voids several times so who knows how often it really happens. giant banks like wells fargo/goldman sachs scam their customers and you think much smaller companies would never do it?

[Mrtop7]

very good point. Phone companies are horrible too.

[KVB]

did new jersey division of gaming make a decision yet ?

I don't know actually, I was being more general with Jersey fukkin up, maybe getting ahead of themselves. Not sure about this case

So yeah, maybe I'm speaking too soon.

Let's see what, if in anything they do.

Are they even looking at it? I don't know much about the specifics.

You can see, I just don't think it should be acceptable for "obvious errors" to get sold. Some parts of online culture, should stay online. In this case, they can obviously affect everyone's accounts online, but that's not how it works at a counter.

[Optional]

Flocks of geese? I haven't seen it written by anyone but me in this thread. I've never, ever, heard anyone say it.

And I never said they would do it, I said what's to stop them from doing it?

Opit, you know legalization, so I get that. I don't think they would or have much incentive. I agree with you.

Until you are in those books late at night and see some of the bettors remaining.

Whether they will do it or not is really not the point, I never said they would do it. However, I have been around a long time in sportsbooks, at many hours during all seasons and types of games.

There should be restrictions, laws, things that do not allow any sportsbook to post rules where others think it is "law."

This is not online.

If they can't avoid selling, not making, but selling a mistake, then they need to get out of the business for good. There are too many hands and people involved that can physically see the ticket and know it's made at a counter.

Again this is not online.

You can't take action after the fact on all accounts involved.

Fuk it, let's go the snowflake route and set up a safe place for shot takers, a fund for those who might be wronged instead of just taking action to eliminate foolish obvious errors.

Funny how it's an obvious error when the game is over.

We've added, on top of computers, people, and still get the "obvious" errors?

Unacceptable when your at counter. Unacceptable.

I don't care if it's live or for next year, it's unacceptable given the safeguards that could be put in place.

Don't be offended. It's a really common point people make. "But that rule/decision means they can do XYZ, which is terrible".

Drives me a bit nuts.

And if I do ask the question about what advantage they see for the book like with you... crickets usually. And never a clever theory to explain that.

Feels like dealing with chicken little.

And acutally, in a sense, I am bent out of shape now.

You online gambling gurus are out of your element.

This has nothing to do with online gambling and anything you know from online gambling is trying to be adapted to the counter.

I think that is a horrible precedent, for so many reasons, and think Jersey may be fukking up here.

The regulator or NJ courts looking at this and setting a definite precedent would be awesome this early in the game.

Particularly with such an obvious error. It will be all about the book responsibility.



That would be good for Fanduel right now too. As this is going to come up again and if each time the newspapers make a headline about it, Fanduel is going to lose credibility more and more no mater how right or wrong they are. A proper legal examination and clear decision would be very good for all participants.

[bonzaii]

Anyone supporting the player here should be embarrassed and a shamed of himself

Yeah because JJ Goldibald is such a holy person. Guy has never taken advantage of anything in his whole life.

[Mrtop7]

yes Division of gaming enforcement of new jersey is looking into it

[KVB]

its not risk free. isn't ceasars in bankruptcy? casinos fail all the time. trump couldn't make it work. plenty of reasons for casinos to try to generate actual risk free income. i've seen complaints on here about books doing questionable/scam voids several times so who knows how often it really happens. giant banks like wells fargo/goldman sachs scam their customers and you think much smaller companies would never do it?

very good point. Phone companies are horrible too.

I love Opti, one of my favorite posters.

Even when he gave me an infraction, I felt the utter need to PM him and treat him with respect, he was right and honorable in what he did.

BUT...

Opti has so much faith in the good.

I think it's great, but when it comes sportsbooks especially, or casino's in general, that faith can be misguided.

Sportsbooks will take advantage, very quickly, of the fact that "gambling" is a stigma and will use it to their advantage. I don't think it's like that in other parts of the world, where gambling is more widely recognized.

In the US, if you get hosed in a book, whether or not you took a shot, no one gives a fuk (except us gamblers).

The attitude is that, because you were gambling, tough shit because that's what happens when you gamble.

Gonna take a while for society to shift that perspective.