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  • USCPHILLYGUY
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-15-12
    • 21746

    #141
    Coach what percentage of posters are from the US?
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    • jjgold
      SBR Aristocracy
      • 07-20-05
      • 388179

      #142
      I don’t know I don’t have those stats all I know everybody is not giving up one offshore account, isn’t it interesting Australia and England governments don’t want you playing off shore because they know how good they are and all their residence want to play there
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      • shadymcgrady
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 02-27-12
        • 10036

        #143
        Off shore offers the best lines for less popular sports like tennis and soccer as well as prop bets

        For most bettors who focus on the domestic or US games though it doesn't matter

        Find a local agent with subscriptions to decent Web interfaces and pay or collect cash every week without a single fee
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        • A4K
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 10-08-12
          • 5243

          #144
          Originally posted by shadymcgrady
          Off shore offers the best lines for less popular sports like tennis and soccer as well as prop bets

          For most bettors who focus on the domestic or US games though it doesn't matter

          Find a local agent with subscriptions to decent Web interfaces and pay or collect cash every week without a single fee
          I have a few of these on tap and in general their lines are awful.
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          • slambam
            SBR MVP
            • 02-07-10
            • 1653

            #145
            Originally posted by themike78
            It's only going to be legal in a couple states. Most states will not legalize it. Its like recreational marijuana laws. Not every state will legalize it. Offshore will still be huge.
            I agree offshore will still do well, they'll probably lose some business, but not too much in the grand scheme. No way they grow like crazy, as the title indicates though. If people aren't using an offshore now, there is no reason this ruling will push them to an offshore, at least imo.
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            • shadymcgrady
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 02-27-12
              • 10036

              #146
              Originally posted by A4K
              I have a few of these on tap and in general their lines are awful.
              When I was spending more time in the city I switched from the staten island/brooklyn guys to the Chinatown books. They had the softest lines and when I asked why someone said they only care ab people not quitting
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              • Barrakuda
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 02-28-18
                • 786

                #147
                Does anyone remember when jj still had a pair?
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                • capitalist pig
                  SBR MVP
                  • 01-25-07
                  • 4997

                  #148
                  By the way Gold is trying to counter every post saying it’s not going to work makes me believe it will work and some of these guys are worried about their business model

                  later
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                  • Sam Odom
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 10-30-05
                    • 58063

                    #149
                    Originally posted by capitalist pig
                    By the way Gold is trying to counter every post saying it’s not going to work makes me believe it will work and some of these guys are worried about their business model

                    later

                    remember... JJ was going to call the 'Bitcoin Office' to get some answers on how to sign up
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                    • jjgold
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 07-20-05
                      • 388179

                      #150
                      No big book is worried

                      100,000’s of accounts

                      Already made 100’s of millions

                      They might welcome it and get rid of $10 bettor
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                      • A4K
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 10-08-12
                        • 5243

                        #151
                        Originally posted by shadymcgrady
                        When I was spending more time in the city I switched from the staten island/brooklyn guys to the Chinatown books. They had the softest lines and when I asked why someone said they only care ab people not quitting
                        I'm in California. My LA guy has decent lines but everyone else has wide spreads. Baseball is unbettable with them. .30 lines.
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                        • shadymcgrady
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 02-27-12
                          • 10036

                          #152
                          Originally posted by A4K
                          I'm in California. My LA guy has decent lines but everyone else has wide spreads. Baseball is unbettable with them. .30 lines.
                          I was just going to bring up baseball. For basketball and nfl the lines are all set at -105 and move based on action

                          For baseball and tennis the lines are terrible and always juiced up compared to 5d. Soccer as well but selectively so

                          Back when I was playing the Chinatown books it was -105 or even for all the lines with no juice movement when lines moved
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                          • A4K
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 10-08-12
                            • 5243

                            #153
                            Originally posted by shadymcgrady
                            I was just going to bring up baseball. For basketball and nfl the lines are all set at -105 and move based on action

                            For baseball and tennis the lines are terrible and always juiced up compared to 5d. Soccer as well but selectively so

                            Back when I was playing the Chinatown books it was -105 or even for all the lines with no juice movement when lines moved
                            DAMN! Wish I lived near NY.
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                            • shadymcgrady
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 02-27-12
                              • 10036

                              #154
                              Originally posted by A4K
                              DAMN! Wish I lived near NY.
                              I stopped playing with them yrs ago, not even sure if it's still around

                              Books love me and my constant donations

                              They probably wouldn't like you much after awhile
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                              • BriGuy
                                SBR MVP
                                • 12-06-11
                                • 1556

                                #155
                                Originally posted by jjgold
                                You’re safe for a while because most states might never see sports betting or at least for 10 years manny are opposed to it

                                It’s basically a 5 state thing
                                It will be legal in a dozen states by Super Bowl 53.
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                                • BriGuy
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 12-06-11
                                  • 1556

                                  #156
                                  Originally posted by jjgold
                                  This is a major win for the top off shore places,
                                  LOLOLOLLLLLLL!!!!!!

                                  OK, it's clear you are shilling now.
                                  Originally posted by jjgold
                                  good luck with fees income tax etc. it’s a nice thing to have but it will not be in efficient way to gamble
                                  Yeah, nothing's more "efficient" than having to wait 3 weeks to get paid and getting checks that bounce when they finally arrive (thanks bookmaker.eu!) and having limits on withdrawals and having to pay $50 just to get a withdrawal and credit card fees and bitcoin wallets and customer service that hangs up on you and cancelled bets and basically having no legal recourse whatsoever.
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                                  • BriGuy
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 12-06-11
                                    • 1556

                                    #157
                                    Originally posted by themike78
                                    It's only going to be legal in a couple states. Most states will not legalize it. Its like recreational marijuana laws. Not every state will legalize it. Offshore will still be huge.
                                    It is eventually going to be legal in anywhere from 24 to 32 states.
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                                    • Microphone
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 01-08-08
                                      • 2950

                                      #158
                                      Originally posted by BriGuy
                                      It is eventually going to be legal in anywhere from 24 to 32 states.
                                      Key word EVENTUALLY. Money and the your local and federal government, good luck. Again still rather have my -105. The day I get stiffed I'll re-look at things. I haven't been yet. I'll keep rolling the dice.
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                                      • ABEHONEST
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 06-27-09
                                        • 9470

                                        #159
                                        If I could bet this totally confusing theory JJ has predicted, I wager a hunk that no one knows the actual outcome, even our fabulous personality, JJ?
                                        My money is on the "unpredictable-theory."
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                                        • BriGuy
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 12-06-11
                                          • 1556

                                          #160
                                          Originally posted by Microphone
                                          Key word EVENTUALLY.
                                          A couple years seems like a long time but it really isn't in the grand scheme of things.
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                                          • BigdaddyQH
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 07-13-09
                                            • 19530

                                            #161
                                            Here is how it is going to work. First, things have been in the planning stages for YEARS, even though most you you people in here hand no idea about that. Next. Indian Tribes own the grounds that they reside on, NOT the State. The State has no power over them. William Hill has well over 100 locations in Nevada where players can wager on sports. It will not take them very long to enter into agreements with Casino's operating on Tribal lands to get their machines in those casino's.

                                            The States that do allow any form of wagering will not sit still for this. They will come up with other ways to draw bettors into places of business so the States rack in huge tax revenues. Possibilities include such things as wagering in stores that carry Lottery Machines, wagering at race tracks, ala Monmouth Park, creating a sports wagering "Lottery", allowing sports wagering at "Off Track" wagering sites, and "On Line" wagering.

                                            Now if you losers want to continue to fight the Bull S**t that off shore sites continue to dish out to you, that is your problem and your stupidity. If you want to wait for weeks to collect your money instead of minutes, go for it. The fact of the matter is that well over 90% of you people who wager something more than air in here are losers. There is certainly not an over abundance of intelligence in here. The vast majority of people who wager off shore will switch to local wagering, no matter what fools like JJ think.
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                                            • A4K
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 10-08-12
                                              • 5243

                                              #162
                                              Originally posted by BigdaddyQH
                                              Here is how it is going to work. First, things have been in the planning stages for YEARS, even though most you you people in here hand no idea about that. Next. Indian Tribes own the grounds that they reside on, NOT the State. The State has no power over them. William Hill has well over 100 locations in Nevada where players can wager on sports. It will not take them very long to enter into agreements with Casino's operating on Tribal lands to get their machines in those casino's.

                                              The States that do allow any form of wagering will not sit still for this. They will come up with other ways to draw bettors into places of business so the States rack in huge tax revenues. Possibilities include such things as wagering in stores that carry Lottery Machines, wagering at race tracks, ala Monmouth Park, creating a sports wagering "Lottery", allowing sports wagering at "Off Track" wagering sites, and "On Line" wagering.

                                              Now if you losers want to continue to fight the Bull S**t that off shore sites continue to dish out to you, that is your problem and your stupidity. If you want to wait for weeks to collect your money instead of minutes, go for it. The fact of the matter is that well over 90% of you people who wager something more than air in here are losers. There is certainly not an over abundance of intelligence in here. The vast majority of people who wager off shore will switch to local wagering, no matter what fools like JJ think.
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                                              • mrpapageorgio
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 09-07-17
                                                • 2974

                                                #163
                                                All of the states that are determined to have it will have it by September, the rest that are interested will start seriously working on it after the election and their new legislative bodies are sworn in.

                                                For me, depositing/withdrawing via Bitcoin is second nature so I'll stick with offshore assuming they'll offer lower lines and offers to keep me loyal. This is also assuming mobile app betting will be a little slower to happen after in-casino betting is launched. However, once the legit books start offering mobile betting and if the lines are relatively decent, I may reconsider offshore.
                                                Last edited by mrpapageorgio; 05-15-18, 11:47 AM.
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                                                • daneblazer
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 09-14-08
                                                  • 27861

                                                  #164
                                                  Theres a finite amount of money and most of the die hard gamblers already gamble somewhere. Some of the diehards will go to the local casino while the new casual gamblers the law will attract will not go offshore. Offshore will still have its place, but this isn’t going to help Vegas, the leagues, offshore, the states, the casinos, the locals, and DFS. At least not in the long term. Someone is going to suffer.
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                                                  • cincinnatikid513
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 11-23-17
                                                    • 45360

                                                    #165
                                                    Originally posted by USCPHILLYGUY
                                                    Coach what percentage of posters are from the US?

                                                    if you go by poker looks like 85 pct usa 14 pct world and 1 pct canada
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                                                    • Sam Odom
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 10-30-05
                                                      • 58063

                                                      #166
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                                                      • jjgold
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 07-20-05
                                                        • 388179

                                                        #167
                                                        Got some call for some big operators and they’re not even remotely concerned because their business model in the USA is very different than Costa Rica
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                                                        • mngambler
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 08-01-11
                                                          • 2890

                                                          #168
                                                          top 5 will stick around...the rest of the 3rd world garbage sites out there will go bye bye
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                                                          • jts1207
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 12-15-16
                                                            • 8011

                                                            #169
                                                            Once this gets rolling.....govt will kill off access to these sites
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                                                            • daneblazer
                                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                              • 09-14-08
                                                              • 27861

                                                              #170
                                                              Offshore dying? This sounds like a job for the Ayre Force!

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                                                              • cincinnatikid513
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 11-23-17
                                                                • 45360

                                                                #171
                                                                Originally posted by jts1207
                                                                Once this gets rolling.....govt will kill off access to these sites
                                                                seems easy if govt wanted keep money in house block websites like they did w hookers high taxes on bit coin or block people sending money out country offshore is then dead to usa players
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                                                                • secretstash
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 03-29-10
                                                                  • 14907

                                                                  #172
                                                                  Originally posted by jjgold
                                                                  Got some call for some big operators and they’re not even remotely concerned because their business model in the USA is very different than Costa Rica
                                                                  Curious why would they rush to call you if they were not concerned? Or, why would you call them if you already painted the pretty picture of a win for the offshore community of books?...

                                                                  If anything coach, you are making a valid point that the average book is devastated by this. I don't blame them being that a 3rd world country's main "export" they rely on, illegal sports betting, is being taken out from under them.

                                                                  The one thing the offshores still have is history of offering 100% bonuses. If USA shops ever offer that, I wouldn't place any extended futures bets offshore if it were me--that might be the end.


                                                                  -stash
                                                                  Last edited by secretstash; 05-15-18, 02:56 PM.
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                                                                  • spro23
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 07-17-15
                                                                    • 1129

                                                                    #173
                                                                    I'm hoping for fatass deposit bonuses this fall for football with onlines trying to remind us why they're better.
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                                                                    • jjgold
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 07-20-05
                                                                      • 388179

                                                                      #174
                                                                      Legal places do not give bonuses

                                                                      Many players make 5K or more a year just on bonuses offshore
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                                                                      • bonzaii
                                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                        • 07-07-17
                                                                        • 5000

                                                                        #175
                                                                        Don't worry JJ plenty of people who hate the US Govt who will continue to bet offshore to avoid getting taxed to death. If it ends not working out, you could always call Sugar Daddy Tony and I'm sure hell fill a position for ya.
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