Offshore is going to grow like you’ve never seen

[USCPHILLYGUY]

Coach what percentage of posters are from the US?

[jjgold]

I don’t know I don’t have those stats all I know everybody is not giving up one offshore account, isn’t it interesting Australia and England governments don’t want you playing off shore because they know how good they are and all their residence want to play there

[shadymcgrady]

Off shore offers the best lines for less popular sports like tennis and soccer as well as prop bets

For most bettors who focus on the domestic or US games though it doesn't matter

Find a local agent with subscriptions to decent Web interfaces and pay or collect cash every week without a single fee

[A4K]

Off shore offers the best lines for less popular sports like tennis and soccer as well as prop bets

For most bettors who focus on the domestic or US games though it doesn't matter

Find a local agent with subscriptions to decent Web interfaces and pay or collect cash every week without a single fee

I have a few of these on tap and in general their lines are awful.

[slambam]

It's only going to be legal in a couple states. Most states will not legalize it. Its like recreational marijuana laws. Not every state will legalize it. Offshore will still be huge.

I agree offshore will still do well, they'll probably lose some business, but not too much in the grand scheme. No way they grow like crazy, as the title indicates though. If people aren't using an offshore now, there is no reason this ruling will push them to an offshore, at least imo.

[shadymcgrady]

I have a few of these on tap and in general their lines are awful.

When I was spending more time in the city I switched from the staten island/brooklyn guys to the Chinatown books. They had the softest lines and when I asked why someone said they only care ab people not quitting

[Barrakuda]

Does anyone remember when jj still had a pair?

[capitalist pig]

By the way Gold is trying to counter every post saying it’s not going to work makes me believe it will work and some of these guys are worried about their business model

later

[Sam Odom]

By the way Gold is trying to counter every post saying it’s not going to work makes me believe it will work and some of these guys are worried about their business model

later

remember... JJ was going to call the 'Bitcoin Office' to get some answers on how to sign up

[jjgold]

No big book is worried

100,000’s of accounts

Already made 100’s of millions

They might welcome it and get rid of $10 bettor

[A4K]

When I was spending more time in the city I switched from the staten island/brooklyn guys to the Chinatown books. They had the softest lines and when I asked why someone said they only care ab people not quitting

I'm in California. My LA guy has decent lines but everyone else has wide spreads. Baseball is unbettable with them. .30 lines.

[shadymcgrady]

I'm in California. My LA guy has decent lines but everyone else has wide spreads. Baseball is unbettable with them. .30 lines.

I was just going to bring up baseball. For basketball and nfl the lines are all set at -105 and move based on action

For baseball and tennis the lines are terrible and always juiced up compared to 5d. Soccer as well but selectively so

Back when I was playing the Chinatown books it was -105 or even for all the lines with no juice movement when lines moved

[A4K]

I was just going to bring up baseball. For basketball and nfl the lines are all set at -105 and move based on action

For baseball and tennis the lines are terrible and always juiced up compared to 5d. Soccer as well but selectively so

Back when I was playing the Chinatown books it was -105 or even for all the lines with no juice movement when lines moved

DAMN! Wish I lived near NY.

[shadymcgrady]

DAMN! Wish I lived near NY.

I stopped playing with them yrs ago, not even sure if it's still around

Books love me and my constant donations

They probably wouldn't like you much after awhile

[BriGuy]

You’re safe for a while because most states might never see sports betting or at least for 10 years manny are opposed to it

It’s basically a 5 state thing

It will be legal in a dozen states by Super Bowl 53.

[BriGuy]

This is a major win for the top off shore places,

LOLOLOLLLLLLL!!!!!!

OK, it's clear you are shilling now.

good luck with fees income tax etc. it’s a nice thing to have but it will not be in efficient way to gamble

Yeah, nothing's more "efficient" than having to wait 3 weeks to get paid and getting checks that bounce when they finally arrive (thanks bookmaker.eu!) and having limits on withdrawals and having to pay $50 just to get a withdrawal and credit card fees and bitcoin wallets and customer service that hangs up on you and cancelled bets and basically having no legal recourse whatsoever.

[BriGuy]

It's only going to be legal in a couple states. Most states will not legalize it. Its like recreational marijuana laws. Not every state will legalize it. Offshore will still be huge.

It is eventually going to be legal in anywhere from 24 to 32 states.

[Microphone]

It is eventually going to be legal in anywhere from 24 to 32 states.

Key word EVENTUALLY. Money and the your local and federal government, good luck. Again still rather have my -105. The day I get stiffed I'll re-look at things. I haven't been yet. I'll keep rolling the dice.

[ABEHONEST]

If I could bet this totally confusing theory JJ has predicted, I wager a hunk that no one knows the actual outcome, even our fabulous personality, JJ?
My money is on the "unpredictable-theory."

[BriGuy]

Key word EVENTUALLY.

A couple years seems like a long time but it really isn't in the grand scheme of things.

[BigdaddyQH]

Here is how it is going to work. First, things have been in the planning stages for YEARS, even though most you you people in here hand no idea about that. Next. Indian Tribes own the grounds that they reside on, NOT the State. The State has no power over them. William Hill has well over 100 locations in Nevada where players can wager on sports. It will not take them very long to enter into agreements with Casino's operating on Tribal lands to get their machines in those casino's.

The States that do allow any form of wagering will not sit still for this. They will come up with other ways to draw bettors into places of business so the States rack in huge tax revenues. Possibilities include such things as wagering in stores that carry Lottery Machines, wagering at race tracks, ala Monmouth Park, creating a sports wagering "Lottery", allowing sports wagering at "Off Track" wagering sites, and "On Line" wagering.

Now if you losers want to continue to fight the Bull S**t that off shore sites continue to dish out to you, that is your problem and your stupidity. If you want to wait for weeks to collect your money instead of minutes, go for it. The fact of the matter is that well over 90% of you people who wager something more than air in here are losers. There is certainly not an over abundance of intelligence in here. The vast majority of people who wager off shore will switch to local wagering, no matter what fools like JJ think.

[A4K]

Here is how it is going to work. First, things have been in the planning stages for YEARS, even though most you you people in here hand no idea about that. Next. Indian Tribes own the grounds that they reside on, NOT the State. The State has no power over them. William Hill has well over 100 locations in Nevada where players can wager on sports. It will not take them very long to enter into agreements with Casino's operating on Tribal lands to get their machines in those casino's.

The States that do allow any form of wagering will not sit still for this. They will come up with other ways to draw bettors into places of business so the States rack in huge tax revenues. Possibilities include such things as wagering in stores that carry Lottery Machines, wagering at race tracks, ala Monmouth Park, creating a sports wagering "Lottery", allowing sports wagering at "Off Track" wagering sites, and "On Line" wagering.

Now if you losers want to continue to fight the Bull S**t that off shore sites continue to dish out to you, that is your problem and your stupidity. If you want to wait for weeks to collect your money instead of minutes, go for it. The fact of the matter is that well over 90% of you people who wager something more than air in here are losers. There is certainly not an over abundance of intelligence in here. The vast majority of people who wager off shore will switch to local wagering, no matter what fools like JJ think.

[mrpapageorgio]

All of the states that are determined to have it will have it by September, the rest that are interested will start seriously working on it after the election and their new legislative bodies are sworn in.

For me, depositing/withdrawing via Bitcoin is second nature so I'll stick with offshore assuming they'll offer lower lines and offers to keep me loyal. This is also assuming mobile app betting will be a little slower to happen after in-casino betting is launched. However, once the legit books start offering mobile betting and if the lines are relatively decent, I may reconsider offshore.

[daneblazer]

Theres a finite amount of money and most of the die hard gamblers already gamble somewhere. Some of the diehards will go to the local casino while the new casual gamblers the law will attract will not go offshore. Offshore will still have its place, but this isn’t going to help Vegas, the leagues, offshore, the states, the casinos, the locals, and DFS. At least not in the long term. Someone is going to suffer.

[cincinnatikid513]

Coach what percentage of posters are from the US?

if you go by poker looks like 85 pct usa 14 pct world and 1 pct canada

[Sam Odom]

[jjgold]

Got some call for some big operators and they’re not even remotely concerned because their business model in the USA is very different than Costa Rica

[mngambler]

top 5 will stick around...the rest of the 3rd world garbage sites out there will go bye bye

[jts1207]

Once this gets rolling.....govt will kill off access to these sites

[daneblazer]

Offshore dying? This sounds like a job for the Ayre Force!

https://atomicavenue.com/atomic/issue/396477/Ayre-Force-1-Hardcover

[cincinnatikid513]

Once this gets rolling.....govt will kill off access to these sites

seems easy if govt wanted keep money in house block websites like they did w hookers high taxes on bit coin or block people sending money out country offshore is then dead to usa players

[secretstash]

Got some call for some big operators and they’re not even remotely concerned because their business model in the USA is very different than Costa Rica

Curious why would they rush to call you if they were not concerned? Or, why would you call them if you already painted the pretty picture of a win for the offshore community of books?...

If anything coach, you are making a valid point that the average book is devastated by this. I don't blame them being that a 3rd world country's main "export" they rely on, illegal sports betting, is being taken out from under them.

The one thing the offshores still have is history of offering 100% bonuses. If USA shops ever offer that, I wouldn't place any extended futures bets offshore if it were me--that might be the end.


-stash

[spro23]

I'm hoping for fatass deposit bonuses this fall for football with onlines trying to remind us why they're better.

[jjgold]

Legal places do not give bonuses

Many players make 5K or more a year just on bonuses offshore

[bonzaii]

Don't worry JJ plenty of people who hate the US Govt who will continue to bet offshore to avoid getting taxed to death. If it ends not working out, you could always call Sugar Daddy Tony and I'm sure hell fill a position for ya.