did he really get it off in 1 second?

diogee · 05-22-09, 10:54 PM

Just rewound it...clock didn't even start until he already started to jump for the shot. (had time to catch it have a partial step to the left and plant his feet before it started)

Ball left hands with .6 left.

pavyracer · 05-22-09, 10:56 PM

Time starts when he catches the ball and not when the ball is thrown.

diogee · 05-22-09, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Time starts when he catches the ball and not when the ball is thrown.

Yeah exactly...which it did not.

DwightShrute · 05-22-09, 10:56 PM

yup I agree, he did a little pump action before releasing it.

That took more than a second

Don't get me wrong, I am happy with the outcome but still

AgainstAllOdds · 05-22-09, 10:57 PM

Its a bang-bang play. Very hard to start the clock the exact mili second he catches the ball.

DwightShrute · 05-22-09, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

Time starts when he catches the ball and not when the ball is thrown.

Yes I know, but you don't think it was just a fraction late?

Tsoprano · 05-22-09, 10:58 PM

I doubt he got it off in time.

pavyracer · 05-22-09, 10:59 PM

If it was a fraction late it shouldn't matter. Still had to make a contested shot.

DwightShrute · 05-22-09, 11:01 PM

mute point I guess but I still say there would be a review if it was played in Orlando

paco · 05-22-09, 11:22 PM

Fuk l j , hope his whole family burns in hell, that was waaaay late

pico · 05-22-09, 11:25 PM

all these games are so close

BobHarvey · 05-22-09, 11:26 PM

Remember Derek Fisher a couple of years ago vs. San Antonio? Mr. :04

Mac4Lyfe · 05-23-09, 12:45 AM

Do you guys ever read a rulebook??? Have you never heard of the catch and shoot rule? He caught the ball, squared up and shot it. You can catch and shoot with 0.3 seconds. Quit gambling and pick up a book.

A Rule Book Legacy
by Dennis D'Agostino

December 21, 2006 -- The modern-day Miracle on 33rd Street co-authored on December 20 by David Lee and Jamal Crawford instantly triggered memories of the only player in NBA history synonymous with that most precise measure of time.
Zero, colon, zero, zero, point one.
Trent Tucker played nine years in a Knicks uniform, and his ability, professionalism and class stamped him as one of the more memorable figures in the club’s recent history. The first Knick to truly take advantage of the NBA’s 1979 three-point rule, the man known as Doc notched 504 three-pointers during his career in New York, still fourth-best on the all-time club list. Later, he would win a World Championship ring with the 1993 Chicago Bulls.
All those numbers live amid the millions of others in the NBA Register. But Trent Tucker’s true legacy is found on page 55 of the NBA Rule Book: Heading, “Comments on the Rules”, subhead, “Expiration of Time”:

“The game clock must show :00.3 or more in order for a player to secure possession of the ball on a rebound or throw-in to attempt a field goal... The only type of field goal which may be scored if the game clock is at :00.2 or :00.1 is a `tip-in’ or `high lob’. “A tip-in is defined as any action in which the ball is deflected, not controlled, by a player and then enters the basket ring. This type of action shall be deemed legal if :00.1 or more remains in the period. A high lob is defined as a pass which is tipped by an offensive player while in mid-air, and if followed instantaneously by a field goal attempt.”

In other words, the Trent Tucker Rule.
The Rule was born out of the unforgettable finish of the Knicks-Bulls game on January 15, 1990, a Martin Luther King Day matinee at the Garden. That season – 1989-90 – was the first in which the NBA required teams to display tenths-of-a-second on the game clocks during the final minute of each period. Fans, coaches and players welcomed the precise display of time during the game’s most crucial periods. However, with whole seconds now distilled into tenths, the rules during that first season did not allow for every eventuality that could happen – or not happen – in that short a span.
In other words, what could you do – or not do – in a three-tenths of a second? Or two-tenths? Or one?
On January 15, 1990, everybody found out.
With the score tied at 106 on that Monday afternoon, the Knicks held possession in the game’s final seconds. With Chicago having a foul to give in the last two minutes, Scottie Pippen fouled the Knicks’ Mark Jackson to stop the play.
And stop the clock. At 0:00.1.
Now Jackson would inbound from right in front of the Knicks bench on the Eighth Avenue end of the Garden. Obviously, whatever the Knicks did, they’d have to do quickly. Coach Stu Jackson (now the League’s executive VP of basketball operations) drew up a play that called for Mark to lob underneath to Patrick Ewing, hoping for Patrick to slip behind the Bulls’ defense and lay it in.
“But Michael (Jordan) read the play, so he went back and took the angle away from Patrick,” said Tucker in the author’s Garden Glory.
That left Jackson to hold the ball for one, two, three agonizing seconds. Tucker saw that Ewing was shut off, so he circled along the baseline and came to the ball, running along the sideline in front of the bench and winding up almost in front of Jackson.
Jackson flipped the ball to Tucker. Referee Ronnie Nunn brought his arm down, signifying time in. Timer Bob Billings, as instructed by Nunn, saw the referee’s chop and hit the silver button that would take the final one-tenth off the black end zone clocks.
And Trent Tucker shot.
“I knew I didn’t have much time, so I turned and gave it a little flick, and the ball just got over the outstretched hand of Scottie Pippen, just enough,” said Tucker more than a decade later.
What you remember about the shot was how high it went, looking up at the ball against the wagon-wheel roof of the Garden, and how it came down, straight down, so that even during its descent you knew it would hit dead on. (Full disclosure: the author was sitting about five feet in back of Tucker when he shot).
“The ball hung in the air for so long,” said Tucker. “Johnny Newman was standing behind me and said, `Trent, that ball looks pretty good.’ We had a chance to have a conversation because the ball was so high, and I said, `News, it’s on line.’ “
It was. Swish, buzzer, and then Ronnie Nunn turned in front of the scorers table and raised both his arms skyward. Knicks 109, Bulls 106.
That game would be the first – and last – to be decided in such a manner. Basic common sense told you that a catch-and-shoot like Tucker’s had to take more than one-tenth of a second. But since the rules had not yet spelled this out, there was no precedent for a game ending in the manner that this one had. That day, everyone – players and officials -- acted exactly as they should have.
A few weeks later, the NBA announced that at least three-tenths of a second had to be on the clock for a catch-and-shoot... known then and now as the Trent Tucker Rule.
“To this day, people ask me if the shot counted,” said Tucker, who returned to his native Minnesota following his playing days to embark on a decade-long broadcasting career. “I say, `Sure it counted. It’s in the record books.’ It was a shot that won the game and redirected how things are viewed now at the end of a game.”
Ironically, 16 years later, Ewing, Jordan and Charles Oakley – all of whom played on that fateful January day in 1990 – were courtside witnesses as the clock showed just 0:00.1 remaining in the second overtime of Knicks-Bobcats... where the only way, the only possible way, for the Knicks to win would be for Jamal Crawford to somehow get the ball to the rim and David Lee to somehow... But you know the rest of the story.

reno cool · 05-23-09, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by AgainstAllOdds

Its a bang-bang play. Very hard to start the clock the exact mili second he catches the ball.

shouldn't be. one finger on the button, on eye on the game.

Mac4Lyfe · 05-23-09, 03:32 AM

We are all Witnesses...

The General · 05-23-09, 03:41 AM

I think a fair score.

payingthejuice · 05-23-09, 05:57 AM

Its a good call if you had the OVER

Its a bad call if you had the UNDER

MadTiger · 05-23-09, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by AgainstAllOdds

Its a bang-bang play. Very hard to start the clock the exact mili second he catches the ball.

Yeah.

If someone wants to BET (haha!), we can look up standard reaction time, etc., and we will see that it is well within range (the time). Definitely not some college home court Duke shit.

conmanx420 · 05-23-09, 06:42 AM

Originally posted by payingthejuice

Its a good call if you had the OVER

Its a bad call if you had the UNDER

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up

jjgold · 05-23-09, 07:38 AM

Cleve had to win that game and the NBA made sure of it

jellobiafra · 05-23-09, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by jjgold

Cleve had to win that game and the NBA made sure of it

How did the NBA make sure that Lebron was gonna hit a miracle shot? Because there's probably about a 20% chance of that ball going in under those circumstance with 1 second to shoot, fading away and a hand in his face. So if that's the NBA making sure of the Cavs winning then they didn't do a very good job of it.

Seriously, I want to know. How did the NBA make sure CLE won? By letting ORL have the lead with 1 second to play? Did the NBA secretly implant a magnet in that ball that would guide it through the rim for Lebron.

Did you really think about that statement before you posted it, or are you just mindlessly parroting a played out and cliche'd conspiracy theory?

pavyracer · 05-23-09, 09:35 AM

jello...JJ is the resident clown here...we call him chameleon...changes color (team) every day

raydog · 05-23-09, 09:43 AM

not enough time to catch in the air, come down and back up. fukking stupid for the league to blatantly cheat a team like they did. there was 1 fukking second. they want a lebron vs. kobe final so bad, they are willing to cheat the public and opposing teams to get it. what is funny is that there are millions who actually believe you can catch a ball, hit the ground and come back up for a shot in 1 fukking second. you people are gotdamn idiots. great shot by james, but late by a mile and the public gets fukked again

jellobiafra · 05-23-09, 10:08 AM

No offense, but you guys are clueless. Read Mac4Life's post in this thread. Then watch the video he posted right under that post.

He got the shot off in plenty of time. This wasn't even really that close. The only place I've even seen anybody claim it was late is in this thread, by a bunch of degenerates who had the under. Maybe that should tell you something.

lakerboy · 05-23-09, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by raydog

not enough time to catch in the air, come down and back up. fukking stupid for the league to blatantly cheat a team like they did. there was 1 fukking second. they want a lebron vs. kobe final so bad, they are willing to cheat the public and opposing teams to get it. what is funny is that there are millions who actually believe you can catch a ball, hit the ground and come back up for a shot in 1 fukking second. you people are gotdamn idiots. great shot by james, but late by a mile and the public gets fukked again

its hopeless man when it comes to Lebron anything is possible to be cooked up- i went from being up 600 to down 400 in 1 fukkin second because of that- the clock didnt start right away but you have to give him credit he put it in somehow and now u know the cavs will be in the finals

5 star bomb · 05-23-09, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by jellobiafra

No offense, but you guys are clueless. Read Mac4Life's post in this thread. Then watch the video he posted right under that post.

He got the shot off in plenty of time. This wasn't even really that close. The only place I've even seen anybody claim it was late is in this thread, by a bunch of degenerates who had the under. Maybe that should tell you something.

100% right!!! This shot was easily off in time!

Enforcer_23 · 05-23-09, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by paco

Fuk l j , hope his whole family burns in hell, that was waaaay late

VegasDave · 05-23-09, 11:59 AM

"did he really get it off in 1 second?"

That's what she said

DwightShrute · 05-23-09, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by VegasDave

"did he really get it off in 1 second?"

That's what she said

Buckeye · 05-23-09, 12:38 PM

Degeneracy at its best. Finding new ways to hate on Lebron because you lost money on a great shot. Amazing!!!

NBA Hero · 05-23-09, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by AgainstAllOdds

Its a bang-bang play. Very hard to start the clock the exact mili second he catches the ball.

everything is said by this and diogee's comment. i was on ORL +9 so i win, just dnt want an OT. the usual suspect is not the ref, but the one who handles the clock. like fisher, horry's shot. it is one of the best shot in playoff, for the record.

. orl should have doubled the uncrowned king and let pavlovich take the shot. LoL.

Mac4Lyfe · 05-23-09, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Cleve had to win that game and the NBA made sure of it

Well at least your 50% right... Cleveland had to win that game but how did the NBA make sure of it when the clueless refs call 2 BS charging calls and a travel (with Howard pushing him in the back) in the final minute???

The refs have been letting Howard get away with murder. He doesn't box out with his body, he pushes you in the back to get rebounds. This guy fouled 3 times in one trip and the refs swallowed their whistles. Orlando has been getting the benefit of the calls in Cleveland which is bullshit because you should have at least some home cooking.

Rewind the 2nd quarter. From about 6 minutes untill the half the Magic got to the line damn near every trip on some ticky tack bullshit. How in the hell do you think they got back into the game? The refs did the same shit in game 1 as well. Cleveland got off to a big lead and the refs tried to get Orlando back into the game.

Mac4Lyfe · 05-23-09, 02:37 PM

Also for the record... With 1 second left you can actually make a tip pass to another teammate and they can catch and shoot with enough time. Clearly Lebron had enough time to shoot the ball. You can even double clutch with 0.4 seconds... I can't believe you guys would bring up some stupid shit like that when that rules been in effect for over a dozen years. Quit being sore ass losers.

DwightShrute · 05-23-09, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Mac4Lyfe

Also for the record... With 1 second left you can actually make a tip pass to another teammate and they can catch and shoot with enough time. Clearly Lebron had enough time to shoot the ball. You can even double clutch with 0.4 seconds... I can't believe you guys would bring up some stupid shit like that when that rules been in effect for over a dozen years. Quit being sore ass losers.

I wanted Cleveland and was glad to see him make it but I still feel that the clock started late and thus the shot was actually late. You can't double clutch with 0.4 actually. But it's obvious on replay he did get it off in time. All I ever said, is if the clock official was in Orlando, there might be a long review where one wasn't even contemplated in Cleveland.

Soar ass losers has nothing to with it.