BREAKING: Police: At least 26 dead in violence around Paris, hostage-taking in theate

[MoneyLineDawg]

What are you talking about? What is an extremist? The situation is such a mess that joe public cannot wrap his mind around the situation.

Shiite militias who once fought against the US are now fighting ISIS (mainly composed of Sunni's) in Iraq and are now receiving air support from the US. Iraqi army are fighting against ISIS and are going to coordinate intelligence/ground forces with Quds Force out of Iran who are mainly shia (also defacto sharing with russian intelligence). The Kurds are fighting ISIS in Syria and Iraq and the USA arms them first vs Iraqies in the original war and now in Syria as a group of "moderate rebels". The only problem is the Kurds are fighting (also carrying out suicide bombings) against Turkey who is an ally of the USA through Nato.

The USA is also supporting the al-Nusra front in Syria as a group of "moderate" rebels even though they are an offshoot of al-Qaeda who the USA fought in Afghanistan. Not to mention al-Qaeda was formed to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the late 80's out of various tribal groups by the CIA and then supported in congress.

That's without even getting into the very probable conspiracy that ISIS originates as a joint CIA/Mossad and Saudi enterprise to destabilize the region and Russian influence (through Syria) in the middle east.

I'm just saying in general you never hear the "99% of peaceful muslims" stand up and say enough

Aren't they sick of getting a bad rep because of the crazies?

I realize there are different factions

[Kermit]

Horrifying

[brooks85]

If the current attack taking place in France is coordinated by Muslims, it is truly sad.



And the saddest fact of all? That neither side seems to understand what they are doing will only increase the desperation and violence of the other side. No one learns from history. We are locked in a vicious cycle, from which unfortunately no easy way out is evident.

-Yasir Quadi

lol "IF" penetrating moron. You are truly scum.







They sure don't or they would understand how broken your copycat religion is.

[KingJD31]

Hey aiko........you're a dumb penetrate, picking up on sarcasm not your strong suit, nor is reading the rest of my comments

Hey King.........go fukc yourself

[FlipsideRM]

France has no military, how the fuk are they gonna act ruthless towards Isis lmao

[JoeyBagels]

I'm just saying in general you never hear the "99% of peaceful muslims" stand up and say enough

Aren't they sick of getting a bad rep because of the crazies?

I realize there are different factions

Let's provide a little context to help us emphasize with their situation. Take an average family in North America. For the last 100 or so years there has been no domestic warfare, relatively stable economies, relatively stable political structures, building of infrastructure, social institutions, hospitals etc.

For the last 100 years the middle east has been a bastion of wars and political upheaval. Take an average family in Syria for instance:
1) If they protest against Assad's regime they or one of their family may be put in jail, tortured or murdered.
2) If they protest against a terrorist group they may have the same done to them.
3) If they protest is some way they may lose their jobs, social contact or business interests because others can't be seen with them.
4) Corruption, infrastructure and economies aren't great. There is high unemployment and they have to deal with various groups just to get essentials like health care, transportation and food. If you're seen as a trouble maker it may become impossible to take care of your family.
5) Because things have been so unstable people have turned to Religion for comfort and it has risen to power. People who are religious have been known to be more influenced by these radical groups so the families have to guard against this all the while maintaining a front enough that they aren't targeted as heathens themselves.

Various outside organizations have peddled money into extremist groups for their own ends too. Imagine yourself in a alternate version of the USA. There is 20% unemployment (40% youth unemployment) and then one day suddenly there was available $5 billion per year coming from overseas and it was used to support groups like the black panthers, westbro baptist church, kkk etc. The overseas benefactors provided military training, military grade armaments/vehicles and provided stable salaries for hoards of unemployed youth if they were in these groups. Do you think you would see more domestic terrorism within the USA?

[TheSideBet]

These guys, are Al Queda in Syria who are apparently against ISIS but they hate America and Israel as well!? So much for innocent children when we see them on CNN saying they should be allowed to come to the United States and sent to school with our kids. I'm at a loss for words after seeing it.

https://news.vice.com/video/inside-the-battle-al-nusra-al-qaeda-in-syria

[shaunovery]

Maybe the people of Syria should just fight against themselves and concentrate on making there own country better , than worrying about other countries

[packerd_00]

Maybe the people of Syria should just fight against themselves and concentrate on making there own country better , than worrying about other countries

Theyd sooner come infest are countries instead.

[Kermit]

Are there any women refugees? The picture posted earlier today from New Orleans is only showing young men.

[packerd_00]

Are there any women refugees? The picture posted earlier today from New Orleans is only showing young men.

Same thing in England,just mostly young males in designer clothes.

[DwightShrute]

Horrifying

horrible

[jjgold]

horrible

scary shit

[The Kraken]

Let's provide a little context to help us emphasize with their situation. Take an average family in North America. For the last 100 or so years there has been no domestic warfare, relatively stable economies, relatively stable political structures, building of infrastructure, social institutions, hospitals etc.

For the last 100 years the middle east has been a bastion of wars and political upheaval. Take an average family in Syria for instance:
1) If they protest against Assad's regime they or one of their family may be put in jail, tortured or murdered.
2) If they protest against a terrorist group they may have the same done to them.
3) If they protest is some way they may lose their jobs, social contact or business interests because others can't be seen with them.
4) Corruption, infrastructure and economies aren't great. There is high unemployment and they have to deal with various groups just to get essentials like health care, transportation and food. If you're seen as a trouble maker it may become impossible to take care of your family.
5) Because things have been so unstable people have turned to Religion for comfort and it has risen to power. People who are religious have been known to be more influenced by these radical groups so the families have to guard against this all the while maintaining a front enough that they aren't targeted as heathens themselves.

Various outside organizations have peddled money into extremist groups for their own ends too. Imagine yourself in a alternate version of the USA. There is 20% unemployment (40% youth unemployment) and then one day suddenly there was available $5 billion per year coming from overseas and it was used to support groups like the black panthers, westbro baptist church, kkk etc. The overseas benefactors provided military training, military grade armaments/vehicles and provided stable salaries for hoards of unemployed youth if they were in these groups. Do you think you would see more domestic terrorism within the USA?

Well said. Unfortunately guys would rather post emotional rants ie. "fukk them, they should all die", than address your posts. you've had great posts in here that have largely gone ignored, which is a shame. thx

[jjgold]

In USA gangs only flourish in weak environments with little police presence ..it could be applied in a smaller way to Terror Countries in Mid East

[frostno98]

In USA gangs only flourish in weak environments with little police presence ..it could be applied in a smaller way to Terror Countries in Mid East

Terrible analogy. Gangs are all about fighting each other, money and biatches. And occasionally innocent people get hit in a shootout. What these jihadist are doing is pure premeditation 1st degree murder. It's much harder to go undetected in the States. Since France is part of the EU Schengen zone, radical Muslims can come from places like Belgium, Germany, or Greece without requiring to show their passport.

[pavyracer]

Terrible analogy. Gangs are all about fighting each other, money and biatches. And occasionally innocent people get hit in a shootout. What these jihadist are doing is pure premeditation 1st degree murder. It's much harder to go undetected in the States. Since France is part of the EU Schengen zone, radical Muslims can come from places like Belgium, Germany, or Greece without requiring to show their passport.

Greece has no Muslims. Athens is the only European capital without a mosque.

[packerd_00]

Greece has no Muslims. Athens is the only European capital without a mosque.

Seriously,I live in a small village with pretty much all white residents and even we have a god damn mosque.

[paco]

Seriously,I live in a small village with pretty much all white residents and even we have a god damn mosque.

Muslims aren't just Arabs. It's every race. Lot of those whites are probably Muslim

[MoneyLineDawg]

Let's provide a little context to help us emphasize with their situation. Take an average family in North America. For the last 100 or so years there has been no domestic warfare, relatively stable economies, relatively stable political structures, building of infrastructure, social institutions, hospitals etc.

For the last 100 years the middle east has been a bastion of wars and political upheaval. Take an average family in Syria for instance:
1) If they protest against Assad's regime they or one of their family may be put in jail, tortured or murdered.
2) If they protest against a terrorist group they may have the same done to them.
3) If they protest is some way they may lose their jobs, social contact or business interests because others can't be seen with them.
4) Corruption, infrastructure and economies aren't great. There is high unemployment and they have to deal with various groups just to get essentials like health care, transportation and food. If you're seen as a trouble maker it may become impossible to take care of your family.
5) Because things have been so unstable people have turned to Religion for comfort and it has risen to power. People who are religious have been known to be more influenced by these radical groups so the families have to guard against this all the while maintaining a front enough that they aren't targeted as heathens themselves.

Various outside organizations have peddled money into extremist groups for their own ends too. Imagine yourself in a alternate version of the USA. There is 20% unemployment (40% youth unemployment) and then one day suddenly there was available $5 billion per year coming from overseas and it was used to support groups like the black panthers, westbro baptist church, kkk etc. The overseas benefactors provided military training, military grade armaments/vehicles and provided stable salaries for hoards of unemployed youth if they were in these groups. Do you think you would see more domestic terrorism within the USA?

This makes sense but perception is reality and most people are going to have an "us or them" mentality.....

People aren't interested in why terrorists are easily grown they just want an end to the problem by any means neccasary

Sucks for th innocent Muslims but that's the truth of the situation

[packerd_00]

Muslims aren't just Arabs. It's every race. Lot of those whites are probably Muslim

Nah trust me mate,this is a redneck sort of town. Not saying everybodys racist,just very country sort of folk.

[pavyracer]

Muslims aren't just Arabs. It's every race. Lot of those whites are probably Muslim

The Greek Church is very powerful. If someone tries to build a mosque in Athens the local population will destroy it overnight.

[paco]

The Greek Church is very powerful. If someone tries to build a mosque in Athens the local population will destroy it overnight.

Ok pavy

[jjgold]

Greeks are very tough


I would not fuk with them

[pavyracer]

Greece said fukk you to Muslims 200 years ago. They killed and kicked them out of country and they kept them out since. It's a battle of survival. If you want to maintain your history, culture and values you can't integrate hostile religions like Muslims. Look at France and England. They allowed Muslims to move in and now they pay the price. Greece chose to fight them and keep them out of country to save it's culture and identity. They may be poor and bankrupt but they are FREE of Muslims.

[paco]

Greece said fukk you to Muslims 200 years ago. The killed and kicked them out of country and they kept them out since. It's a battle of survival. If you want to maintain your history, culture and values you can't integrate hostile religions like Muslims. Look at France and England. They allowed Muslims to move in and now they pay the price. Greece chose to fight them and keep then out of country to save it's culture and identity. They may be poor and bankrupt but they are FREE of Muslims.

95% of Muslims are peaceful, not hostile. Let's not forget "Isis" has killed thousands of Muslims as well in the past 2 years. They don't represent Muslims. But no one expects Sbr to understand that

[capitalist pig]

I realize we are still a year away but last night attacks pretty much put the fork in Clinton and Sanders, neither one have or had a strong stance towards Islamic terrorism, Hell they wont even call it what it is. Dont know who it helps as far as the republicans but it probably helps Trump, Cruz and Bush in that order. It will be interesting to see the next poll numbers.

later

[MoeSedway]

95% of Muslims are peaceful, not hostile. Let's not forget "Isis" has killed thousands of Muslims as well in the past 2 years. They don't represent Muslims. But no one expects Sbr to understand that

Taqiya, taqiya.

Hundreds of millions of Muslims think that gays or those who leave Islam should be killed. So peaceful.

[jjgold]

I realize we are still a year away but last night attacks pretty much put the fork in Clinton and Sanders, neither one have or had a strong stance towards Islamic terrorism, Hell they wont even call it what it is. Dont know who it helps as far as the republicans but it probably helps Trump, Cruz and Bush in that order. It will be interesting to see the next poll numbers.

later

lol


Hillary a tremendous favorite regardless..no Pres is doing anything as they are scared

[paco]

Taqiya, taqiya.

Hundreds of millions of Muslims think that gays or those who leave Islam should be killed. So peaceful.

how many issues have u had personally with Muslims in NY?

[Rudeboy]

Greece said fukk you to Muslims 200 years ago. The killed and kicked them out of country and they kept them out since. It's a battle of survival. If you want to maintain your history, culture and values you can't integrate hostile religions like Muslims. Look at France and England. They allowed Muslims to move in and now they pay the price. Greece chose to fight them and keep then out of country to save it's culture and identity. They may be poor and bankrupt but they are FREE of Muslims.

[Mase of Base]

Let's provide a little context to help us emphasize with their situation. Take an average family in North America. For the last 100 or so years there has been no domestic warfare, relatively stable economies, relatively stable political structures, building of infrastructure, social institutions, hospitals etc.

For the last 100 years the middle east has been a bastion of wars and political upheaval. Take an average family in Syria for instance:
1) If they protest against Assad's regime they or one of their family may be put in jail, tortured or murdered.
2) If they protest against a terrorist group they may have the same done to them.
3) If they protest is some way they may lose their jobs, social contact or business interests because others can't be seen with them.
4) Corruption, infrastructure and economies aren't great. There is high unemployment and they have to deal with various groups just to get essentials like health care, transportation and food. If you're seen as a trouble maker it may become impossible to take care of your family.
5) Because things have been so unstable people have turned to Religion for comfort and it has risen to power. People who are religious have been known to be more influenced by these radical groups so the families have to guard against this all the while maintaining a front enough that they aren't targeted as heathens themselves.

Various outside organizations have peddled money into extremist groups for their own ends too. Imagine yourself in a alternate version of the USA. There is 20% unemployment (40% youth unemployment) and then one day suddenly there was available $5 billion per year coming from overseas and it was used to support groups like the black panthers, westbro baptist church, kkk etc. The overseas benefactors provided military training, military grade armaments/vehicles and provided stable salaries for hoards of unemployed youth if they were in these groups. Do you think you would see more domestic terrorism within the USA?

I don't agree with the last part of your post, would there be added violence? Maybe, def high racial tension but not violence of this level.

The problem is a disenfranchised youth basically as you said with not a lot of opportunity unfortunately. And the Quran when taken literally has some serious ammunition to feed to someone who is already angry at the world and what's happened to their homeland. It isn't going to change anytime soon either as the middle east will still be bombed by the west and the jihad against the infidels will continue.

Europe is going to be very interesting in the coming years with so many people coming in, getting a round of applause at the train station looks good for the cameras when they arrive but then what? They're sent to hang amongst themselves, not getting job opportunities, can't speak the languages, and not much help from many of the countries letting them in. Going to create those disenfranchised youths in their homelands.

I'm all for letting Syrian refugees in what they have gone through no human being should but unfortunately they make up around 20% of those crossing into the EU I think.

[jtoler]

Greece said fukk you to Muslims 200 years ago. The killed and kicked them out of country and they kept them out since. It's a battle of survival. If you want to maintain your history, culture and values you can't integrate hostile religions like Muslims. Look at France and England. They allowed Muslims to move in and now they pay the price. Greece chose to fight them and keep then out of country to save it's culture and identity. They may be poor and bankrupt but they are FREE of Muslims.

If only the Native Americans had gotten that memo.

[pavyracer]

95% of Muslims are peaceful, not hostile. Let's not forget "Isis" has killed thousands of Muslims as well in the past 2 years. They don't represent Muslims. But no one expects Sbr to understand that

There are peaceful Muslims no doubt about it. This has nothing to do with my post.

[pronk]

95% of Muslims are peaceful, not hostile. Let's not forget "Isis" has killed thousands of Muslims as well in the past 2 years. They don't represent Muslims. But no one expects Sbr to understand that

Paco, 95% of peacefuls should be able to contain 5% of madmen, am I right?