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  • jjgold
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    • 07-20-05
    • 388179

    #36
    All WIsconsin seems to do is win that's what scares me some might not look pretty but they seem hard to knock out
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    • t-wizzle
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      • 12-18-09
      • 38099

      #37
      Originally posted by DrStale
      Ha, here's as good a place as any to stop reading. Yeah those Badgers really pick up the pace.

      You must not even watch your own team. Wisconsin plays with tempo. I guess you were too lazy to really pay attention to what was happening right in front of your eyes these past two years.
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      • jtoler
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        • 12-17-13
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        #38
        Originally posted by t-wizzle
        You must not even watch your own team. Wisconsin plays with tempo. I guess you were too lazy to really pay attention to what was happening right in front of your eyes these past two years.
        Tempo as far as ball movement and motion bro other than that theyre close to being the slowest in the nation at actually getting a shot up.
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        • No coincidences
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          • 01-18-10
          • 76300

          #39
          Originally posted by jtoler
          Tempo as far as ball movement and motion bro other than that theyre close to being the slowest in the nation at actually getting a shot up.
          Especially tomorrow night. They're not about to run and gun with a team that wants to run and gun. They'll pick their spots of course like they always do, but for the most part, they'll just grind UNC down and out. This is one of the biggest coaching mismatches in the Sweet 16.
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          • texhooper
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 01-05-09
            • 10001

            #40
            Wisconsin is like the slowest paced team every year, this year is no exception. If nothing else, let's at least cease to argue about that and just accept the truth.

            And I don't need to say anything further about this matchup because No Coin already nailed it. Bo Ryan will put a clownsuit on Roy Williams.
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            • jtoler
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              • 12-17-13
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              #41
              I think you guys underestimate Roy and dont give him enough credit, but Im sure I cant change your mind.
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              • James Marques
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                • 03-04-14
                • 1605

                #42
                Originally posted by t-wizzle
                You must not even watch your own team. Wisconsin plays with tempo. I guess you were too lazy to really pay attention to what was happening right in front of your eyes these past two years.
                This is a bad read, bro. Way off base. Slow, slow basketball. One of the slowest in the country.
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                • 19th Hole
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                  • 03-22-09
                  • 18959

                  #43
                  Originally posted by jtoler
                  I think you guys underestimate Roy and dont give him enough credit, but Im sure I cant change your mind.
                  Widely accepted that Roy Williams coaching ends when recruiting is over and he slides to the bench.
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                  • meader99
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                    • 10-30-10
                    • 4223

                    #44
                    [QUOTE=t-wizzle;23776077]I want to start this by saying that I was very high on this team all year last season and they made a run to the Final Four and were one play from reaching the Championship. I've been high on them this year as well but I think we're starting to see some kinks in the armor.

                    North Carolina is peaking at the right time. They have the bigs to beat up Wisconsin's frontcourt. Both teams like to play uptempo but UNC has the ability to outrebound the Badgers - something that rarely happens against this Wisconsin team. If UNC wins the battle of the boards, they can get out in transition and more importantly get those putbacks that Wisky never seems to give up.

                    The great thing about Wisconsin is that they have long versatile players who can beat you from the perimeter. It's a lot harder to get those looks against a big team like North Carolina though.

                    Wisconsin is on upset alert folks. Leaning heavily toward The Tar Heels +6 and ML.[/QUOTE

                    I dont understand this logic. Notre Dame went on a huge run against them and basically blew them out in the 2nd half. They struggled to beat Harvard and played an Arky team that played right into their hands. Wiscy runs much better offense than ND and they play defense. Kaminsky, Hayes and Dekker will keep UNC off the glass as thats the only way UNC can score.
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                    • hawkwind
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                      • 04-25-11
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                      #45
                      Originally posted by jjgold
                      Wizzle excellent points

                      White boys can't jump
                      racist
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                      • t-wizzle
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                        • 12-18-09
                        • 38099

                        #46
                        Originally posted by No coincidences
                        Especially tomorrow night. They're not about to run and gun with a team that wants to run and gun. They'll pick their spots of course like they always do, but for the most part, they'll just grind UNC down and out. This is one of the biggest coaching mismatches in the Sweet 16.
                        You're the same guy who a year ago called this team one of Wisconsin's worst in years, especially defensively.
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                        • DrStale
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                          • 12-07-08
                          • 9692

                          #47
                          Originally posted by t-wizzle
                          You must not even watch your own team. Wisconsin plays with tempo. I guess you were too lazy to really pay attention to what was happening right in front of your eyes these past two years.
                          346th out of 351 teams in college hoops in possessions per game and I am the one not paying attention. Ok boss.
                          Originally posted by Dark Horse
                          If with religion you mean belief system, your belief system is your religion. Again, it matters not what it is. You believe in it, you are loyal to it, would defend it, and yet have no proof of it, other than that, at one point or another, you chose to believe in it. Self-hypnosis. What if there were a snapping of fingers that broke the hypnosis?
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                          • t-wizzle
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                            • 12-18-09
                            • 38099

                            #48
                            Originally posted by jtoler
                            Tempo as far as ball movement and motion bro other than that theyre close to being the slowest in the nation at actually getting a shot up.
                            Which is exactly what I was referring to.
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                            • Big Bear
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                              • 11-01-11
                              • 43253

                              #49
                              Wisconsin wants a slow paced game

                              UNC wants to run up and down the floor

                              UNC struggled with Harvard who was successful at slowing down the pace.

                              Bad matchup for UNC IMHO
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                              • No coincidences
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                                • 01-18-10
                                • 76300

                                #50
                                Originally posted by 19th Hole
                                Widely accepted that Roy Williams coaching ends when recruiting is over and he slides to the bench.
                                Did you see Roy get asked about the longer TV timeouts during the tournament? His response was downright laughable, and if I'm a Tar Heel fan, I'd be fuming. He basically said that's way too long/it's too long in the first place/what do I say to my players/I just send them back out there. It was Roy Williams' entire "coaching" career in a pathetic nutshell.
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                                • TPowell
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                                  • 02-21-08
                                  • 18842

                                  #51
                                  Originally posted by No coincidences
                                  Did you see Roy get asked about the longer TV timeouts during the tournament? His response was downright laughable, and if I'm a Tar Heel fan, I'd be fuming. He basically said that's way too long/it's too long in the first place/what do I say to my players/I just send them back out there. It was Roy Williams' entire "coaching" career in a pathetic nutshell.

                                  The sad thing is most think the guy is still a decent coach
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                                  • No coincidences
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                                    • 01-18-10
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                                    #52
                                    Originally posted by t-wizzle
                                    You're the same guy who a year ago called this team one of Wisconsin's worst in years, especially defensively.
                                    WISCONSIN
                                    Year/PPG/national rank
                                    2010-11/58.6/4th
                                    2011-12/52.2/1st
                                    2012-13/55.9/7th
                                    2013-14/64.0/40th
                                    2014-15/56.9/9th

                                    Anything else?
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                                    • No coincidences
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                                      • 01-18-10
                                      • 76300

                                      #53
                                      Originally posted by TPowell
                                      The sad thing is most think the guy is still a decent coach
                                      He's an elite recruiter. That goes without saying. Always has been.

                                      Let's not make it more complicated than that.
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                                      • TPowell
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                                        • 02-21-08
                                        • 18842

                                        #54
                                        Originally posted by No coincidences
                                        WISCONSIN
                                        Year/PPG/national rank
                                        2010-11/58.6/4th
                                        2011-12/52.2/1st
                                        2012-13/55.9/7th
                                        2013-14/64.0/40th
                                        2014-15/56.9/9th

                                        Anything else?

                                        the truth is, this year, last year, and 2011, they were very similar. PPG is a very misleading stat. They may be 9th in PPG defense, but they are only 41st in Ken Pom. Last year they were 49th or so
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                                        • t-wizzle
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                                          • 12-18-09
                                          • 38099

                                          #55
                                          Originally posted by No coincidences
                                          WISCONSIN
                                          Year/PPG/national rank
                                          2010-11/58.6/4th
                                          2011-12/52.2/1st
                                          2012-13/55.9/7th
                                          2013-14/64.0/40th
                                          2014-15/56.9/9th

                                          Anything else?
                                          Yea man. They are awful at defense. You really proved your point. Keep breaking down numbers. I'll watch the actual game.
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                                          • MarcusPaige
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                                            • 02-16-14
                                            • 272

                                            #56
                                            Look at Roy's record vs Pitino and Izzo, it's sick. He's NEVER lost in the first round of the NCAA, that's 25-0. The beloved "mastermind" Coach K has 3 first round NCAA losses in the last 8 years, losing to shit teams like Lehigh and Mercer! Who has more natty's in the last 10 years???

                                            He's not a perfect sideline coach. A lot of people wish he would call more TO's but his mentor's strategy was to let them play through it and learn because the games right now are the only ones that really matter. But people who say he is a BAD coach are just insanely ignorant.
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                                            • jtoler
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                                              • 12-17-13
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                                              #57
                                              Mercer and LeHigh were pretty good. If you can watch a replay of the Mercer game you will see an offensive clinic, perfectly ran sets, Duke wasn't expecting such and wasn't prepared for it. But yeah I think also the board doesn't respect Roy enough and they could pay for it tonight.
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                                              • No coincidences
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                                                • 01-18-10
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                                                #58
                                                Originally posted by t-wizzle
                                                Yea man. They are awful at defense. You really proved your point. Keep breaking down numbers. I'll watch the actual game.
                                                I never said they were "awful at defense." I said that last year was one of their more sub-par years defensively, relative to their normal standards.

                                                What is wrong with you? Seriously. You have completely lost it.
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                                                • TPowell
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                                                  • 02-21-08
                                                  • 18842

                                                  #59
                                                  Originally posted by MarcusPaige
                                                  Look at Roy's record vs Pitino and Izzo, it's sick. He's NEVER lost in the first round of the NCAA, that's 25-0. The beloved "mastermind" Coach K has 3 first round NCAA losses in the last 8 years, losing to shit teams like Lehigh and Mercer! Who has more natty's in the last 10 years???

                                                  He's not a perfect sideline coach. A lot of people wish he would call more TO's but his mentor's strategy was to let them play through it and learn because the games right now are the only ones that really matter. But people who say he is a BAD coach are just insanely ignorant.

                                                  Absolutely zero cred. with your user name. Just because he beats elite coaches doesn't make him great. He ALWAYS has top 10 talent and hasn't made a Final Four in what 5-6 years?
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                                                  • jjgold
                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                    • 388179

                                                    #60
                                                    Wizzle what's your record?

                                                    I see you make 100's of plays per week
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                                                    • No coincidences
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 01-18-10
                                                      • 76300

                                                      #61
                                                      Originally posted by MarcusPaige
                                                      Look at Roy's record vs Pitino and Izzo, it's sick. He's NEVER lost in the first round of the NCAA, that's 25-0. The beloved "mastermind" Coach K has 3 first round NCAA losses in the last 8 years, losing to shit teams like Lehigh and Mercer! Who has more natty's in the last 10 years???

                                                      He's not a perfect sideline coach. A lot of people wish he would call more TO's but his mentor's strategy was to let them play through it and learn because the games right now are the only ones that really matter. But people who say he is a BAD coach are just insanely ignorant.
                                                      He's not a "bad" coach. I don't think anyone is saying that. But given the talent he's had to work with through the years, you'd figure he would have more than three Final Four appearances at UNC by now (and none since '08-09). '09-10 was a joke. Then 61-14 in '10-11 and '11-12 alone, but bounced in the Elite 8 both times. Followed by a two-year Sweet 16 gap.

                                                      And this doesn't even take the academic fraud into consideration, or the "Haiti disaster/catastrophe" quote, or getting Kansas's AD fired.
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                                                      • jtoler
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                                                        • 12-17-13
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                                                        #62
                                                        Whoa, you guys are too tough on Roy, coaches don't wake out of bed and make Final Fours, they are hard to come by. When they lost in elite 8 did they not lose to better teams in Kentucky and Kansas? Not particularly a Roy fan but let's be rational.
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                                                        • No coincidences
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                                                          • 01-18-10
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                                                          #63
                                                          Originally posted by jtoler
                                                          Whoa, you guys are too tough on Roy, coaches don't wake out of bed and make Final Fours, they are hard to come by. When they lost in elite 8 did they not lose to better teams in Kentucky and Kansas? Not particularly a Roy fan but let's be rational.
                                                          I'm just saying that when it comes to in-game coaching, he's not on Bo Ryan's level.
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                                                          • TPowell
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                                                            • 02-21-08
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                                                            #64
                                                            even Bo Ryan isn't great when it comes to in game coaching. The only reason Wisconsin hasn't been to multiple Final Fours by now is his stubbornness to adapt to what is going on around him. He's the absolute best at installing his system and finding players/preparing them for the game
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                                                            • jtoler
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                                                              • 12-17-13
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                                                              #65
                                                              Originally posted by TPowell
                                                              even Bo Ryan isn't great when it comes to in game coaching. The only reason Wisconsin hasn't been to multiple Final Fours by now is his stubbornness to adapt to what is going on around him. He's the absolute best at installing his system and finding players/preparing them for the game
                                                              Was gonna say this yesterday about Ryan you're right.
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                                                              • t-wizzle
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                                                                • 12-18-09
                                                                • 38099

                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by No coincidences
                                                                I never said they were "awful at defense." I said that last year was one of their more sub-par years defensively, relative to their normal standards.

                                                                What is wrong with you? Seriously. You have completely lost it.
                                                                You were very harsh in your criticism of Wisconsin last year. It was typical no coin midseason overreaction. Whether you said "awful" or not is irrelevant. You didn't dance around the fact that you thought they weren't good. Naturally it turned out to be Wisconsin's best team in history.

                                                                I've lost it? Yea okay. You're on tilt from the 300+ units you've lost in nba and ncaab this year. Take a look in the mirror pal.
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                                                                • SplitAces
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                                                                  • 09-22-12
                                                                  • 434

                                                                  #67
                                                                  You lose all credibility when you put this in your post. Both teams like to play uptempo

                                                                  Wisconsin is the definition of slow possession basketball, not uptempo.

                                                                  I have been away for a few months but still see TWIZZLE has not lost a step.

                                                                  I want UNC to win, but I can see this is a bad match up for them. They will need an off night of Badger shooting.



                                                                  Originally posted by t-wizzle
                                                                  I want to start this by saying that I was very high on this team all year last season and they made a run to the Final Four and were one play from reaching the Championship. I've been high on them this year as well but I think we're starting to see some kinks in the armor.

                                                                  North Carolina is peaking at the right time. They have the bigs to beat up Wisconsin's frontcourt. Both teams like to play uptempo but UNC has the ability to outrebound the Badgers - something that rarely happens against this Wisconsin team. If UNC wins the battle of the boards, they can get out in transition and more importantly get those putbacks that Wisky never seems to give up.

                                                                  The great thing about Wisconsin is that they have long versatile players who can beat you from the perimeter. It's a lot harder to get those looks against a big team like North Carolina though.

                                                                  Wisconsin is on upset alert folks. Leaning heavily toward The Tar Heels +6 and ML.
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                                                                  • tatddy
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                                                                    • 03-02-10
                                                                    • 10779

                                                                    #68
                                                                    You guys must all live in cold weather cities to be spending this much life on 1 game.
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                                                                    • TwoWays
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                                                                      • 03-24-10
                                                                      • 13145

                                                                      #69
                                                                      Wizzle continues to pick winners. Why do u all think u know more than him. I'd pay for his picks.
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                                                                      • PAYTON20
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                                                                        • 02-02-10
                                                                        • 5217

                                                                        #70
                                                                        Seaweed, Wizzle, and JJGold on UNC



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