Why do ppl even bother to play 1/2 No Limit?

[jjgold]

You can probably grind out 30-40k a year playing 1/2 at casinos with horrible players if you grind like a mother fuker 12 hours a day and are good.

You can do that doing nothing on a real job working 8hrs a day 5 days week

[bettilimbroke999]

By the way, just as an example, borgata is 10% rate (maximum $4)... so in your $11 in for 2 players scenario (which is assuming 8 other players folded preflop and you and this player were small and big, which NEVER happens).. the rake would be $2.20..

conversely say an action flop comes and 2 players all in for $120 each, total of $240, the rake would be $4 (or 1.6% if you're counting)...

sq must be short for square, wtf kinda casino charges a 2.20 rake, what do u think they take 3 and put back 80 cents, secondly almost all dip in for another buck for bad beat, at my casino its 10% rake up to 5 bucks (joke bc in the nitty pots of 1/2 it ends up becoming more like 15-20% as this exactly 10% rake $2.20 on a 22 pot is a hallucination by squaresville) + 1 bad beat + whatever your robbed ass feels like tippin the dealer for takin your money. Getting a 120 bet out of the nits that play 1/2 with anything less than the nuts vs 2nd nuts is about equivalent to getting a supermodel to suck your dick just because you tell her you're poster of the month on SBR, easier said than done

By the way its 15% OF THE POT not of your winnings, you are getting 15% immediately deducted off the money you just put in there , Im actually happy to know that clowns like square are going home 200 bucks lighter after every trip to the casino and cant figure out what they did wrong, well reason why is almost all that money is in the houses backpocket, they lost prolly 70 or 80 gettin mediocre cards to the players and another 120 to the house, not realizin theyd have had to have won a 120 from the players just to break even

Dont you clowns get it 1/2 is too low of a limit to overcome the rake, **** some of you idiots are too stupid to even see that, yea make your 2nd income overcoming a 15+% pot rake, Im sure you'll be walkin out every night with a bag of money

[daneblazer]

Specifically what I meant was I couldn't imagine doing it live daily for 12 hours a day without something to break up that routine (such as online poker)... Thinking about it again I realize I was projecting some my personal prejudices from multitabling online onto the idea (where if get bored you likely aren't playing enough tables and you just open up some more up)...

While someone probably has maintained that pace of live play at low stakes for a long time I'm still going to question how the 40k was arrived at as I've got to think at some point you either move up in stakes or start getting jealous of quality of life of people who choose to work similar schedules while getting paid actual wages...

Yeah, these guys are probably making an okay living, but to me it's not worth leaving a job for. Some had trouble finding real jobs and decided to go with poker, while another just played it in college and never looked for a job. They probably play anywhere from 20-70 hours a given week with it weighted towards nights and weekends. They get comped decently and often times go in together for a room at the casino to cut the costs. Not really a lifestyle I'd care to have.

[bettilimbroke999]

You can grind out 20k a year playin 20 hours a day

[sq764]

sq must be short for square, wtf kinda casino charges a 2.20 rake, what do u think they take 3 and put back 80 cents, secondly almost all dip in for another buck for bad beat, at my casino its 10% rake up to 5 bucks (joke bc in the nitty pots of 1/2 it ends up becoming more like 15-20% as this exactly 10% rake $2.20 on a 22 pot is a hallucination by squaresville) + 1 bad beat + whatever your robbed ass feels like tippin the dealer for takin your money. Getting a 120 bet out of the nits that play 1/2 with anything less than the nuts vs 2nd nuts is about equivalent to getting a supermodel to suck your dick just because you tell her you're poster of the month on SBR, easier said than done

By the way its 15% OF THE POT not of your winnings, you are getting 15% immediately deducted off the money you just put in there , Im actually happy to know that clowns like square are going home 200 bucks lighter after every trip to the casino and cant figure out what they did wrong, well reason why is almost all that money is in the houses backpocket, they lost prolly 70 or 80 gettin mediocre cards to the players and another 120 to the house, not realizin theyd have had to have won a 120 from the players just to break even

Dont you clowns get it 1/2 is too low of a limit to overcome the rake, **** some off you idiots are too stupid to even see that, yea make your 2nd income overcoming a 15+% pot rake, Im sure you'll be walkin out every night with a bag of money

no use trying to help you, you're obviously a losing player and want to blame everything and everyone else for why you lose (rake, stupid calls, idiot players, shady poker dealers).. not going to get into a war of words, not worth it.. I was trying to help you by telling you to go to one of the hundreds of live casinos that take 10% rake.. if you choose not to, fine by me.


*And btw, there are a LOT of people that make a living from sports, overcoming 15-25% rake/takeout.. just because you can't doesn't mean it doesnt exist..

[sq764]

You can grind out 20k a year playin 20 hours a day

you really should stop playing poker.. seriously.. if you're good enough, a 15% rake won't keep you from profiting..

you don't go in to the casino and lose $200 every time at poker because of the rake.. you lose because you are not a good poker player.. (everyone loses from time to time, bad beats, etc.. but overall I'm speaking..)

[Darkside Magick]

i think people missing the boat here.... i think what the OP is saying that if you playing 1/2 NL ...that it is a losing proposition because of the rake and i tend to agree with it. to me one can make a living at starting @10/20. 1/2 NL is just a fun time and if want some beer money. i see people come to commerce with their little 75 dollars trying to grind away and wondering where the money went after a hour

[k13]

you really should stop playing poker.. seriously.. if you're good enough, a 15% rake won't keep you from profiting..

you don't go in to the casino and lose $200 every time at poker because of the rake.. you lose because you are not a good poker player.. (everyone loses from time to time, bad beats, etc.. but overall I'm speaking..)

You must have never seen rake charts......

[sq764]

i dont think anyone was arguin that 1/2 is not the optimal level to make a career.. he was saying you can't win.. which is ridiculous..

if you bring $200 to 1/2 and expect to win a grand, ur not thinking straight... you stay a few hours and play tight, you can certianly make a 50-100% profit

[Kaladarus]

Playing these limits professionally sucks no matter how you look at it. If you are good enough to win, you are good enough to make more money elsewhere. At other real jobs you don't have to work awkward hours all the time and be available at all times. These guys that beat these limits very often play evenings and all weekend long to make minimal profits.

1/2 Hold'em should be no more than a hobby. Even with the high rake it's still a beatable game though and to most it's much better than other games that can't be beat consistently.

[bettilimbroke999]

you really should stop playing poker.. seriously.. if you're good enough, a 15% rake won't keep you from profiting..

you don't go in to the casino and lose $200 every time at poker because of the rake.. you lose because you are not a good poker player.. (everyone loses from time to time, bad beats, etc.. but overall I'm speaking..)

If you play 6 hours of poker and have lost a 100 you have actually broken even and donated a 100 to the house, at higher stakes this 100 donation every 6 hours may be insignificant but at very low stakes like 1/2 NL its the difference between winning and losing.

Of course if you're at a table full of guys like sq you are prolly up a grand anyway and the argument is moot

[sq764]

You must have never seen rake charts......

yes i see the 2 casinos i play at - Delaware Park and Borgata, both take 10% rake with max $4 rake..

[sq764]

1/2 Hold'em should be no more than a hobby. Even with the high rake it's still a beatable game though and to most it's much better than other games that can't be beat consistently.

be ready to be called an idiot by the original poster.. saying the game is beatable is blasphemy..

[sq764]

If you play 6 hours of poker and have lost a 100 you have actually broken even and donated a 100 to the house, at higher stakes this 100 donation every 6 hours may be insignificant but at very low stakes like 1/2 NL its the difference between winning and losing.

Of course if you're at a table full of guys like sq you are prolly up a grand and the argument is moot

its too bad you say you lose $200 every time at the casino, the other players, dealers, casino, god.. all conspiring to cheat you.. and anyone that tries to tell you its a beatable game you can an idiot.. thats the profile of a losing player

[bettilimbroke999]

be ready to be called an idiot by the original poster.. saying the game is beatable is blasphemy..

Lets analyze the word beatable, If I grinded out 1/2 NL for 60 hours and profited a dollar would I have beaten the game?

Over the course of that 60 hours I would've donated around 900 dollars in rake/bad beat to the casino assuming I never tip and having won 901 dollars would've walked away with a cool dollar, which is not much to show for my great play. I believe beating the game involves a reasonable amount of profit above the rake (and far more if you plan on making a living at it). In order to consistently profit more than the 900 a week rake a person playing 60 hours a week would have to win just to break even I would presume that person would have to play higher stakes than 1/2 NL and the nits that I see filling the table every time I play.

If you can somehow consistently make the 1700 a week profit necessary to overcome the rake and make 40k a year at 1/2 NL then I feel you are either an unbelievably good card player considering max buyin is 200 and you're making a consistently 850% ROI per week or full of shit, having talked to you sq I am convinced you are the latter

[sq764]

Lets analyze the word beatable, If I grinded out 1/2 NL for 60 hours and profited a dollar would I have beaten the game?

Over the course of that 60 hours I would've donated around 900 dollars in rake/bad beat to the casino assuming I never tip and having won 901 dollars would've walked away with a cool dollar having beaten the game for 901 dollars but only have a dollar to show for my great play. I believe beating the game involves a reasonable amount of profit above the rake (and far more if you plan on making a living at it) not just winning enough to cover or nearly cover the rake, to consistently profit more than the 900 a week at poker a person playing 60 hours a week would have to make just to break even I would presume that person would have to play higher stakes than 1/2 NL and the nits that I see filling the table every time I play.

If you can somehow consistently make the 1700 a week profit necessary to overcome the rake and make 40k a year at 1/2 NL then I feel you are either an unbelievably good card player considering max buyin is 200 and you're making a consistently 850% ROI per week or full of shit, having talked to you sq I am convinced you are the latter

you're hopeless son.. just keep blaming the world for why you lose instead of working to get better.. not even worth my time to respond anymore.. ur right, its everyone/everything else, not you

[sq764]

Lets analyze the word beatable, If I grinded out 1/2 NL for 60 hours and profited a dollar would I have beaten the game? Over the course of that 60 hours I would've donated around 900 dollars in rake/bad beat to the casino assuming I never tip and having won 901 dollars would've walked away with a cool dollar, which is not much to show for my great play. I believe beating the game involves a reasonable amount of profit above the rake (and far more if you plan on making a living at it). In order to consistently profit more than the 900 a week rake a person playing 60 hours a week would have to win just to break even I would presume that person would have to play higher stakes than 1/2 NL and the nits that I see filling the table every time I play. If you can somehow consistently make the 1700 a week profit necessary to overcome the rake and make 40k a year at 1/2 NL then I feel you are either an unbelievably good card player considering max buyin is 200 and you're making a consistently 850% ROI per week or full of shit, having talked to you sq I am convinced you are the latter

and by the way, 60 hours $900 rake would mean (at an average of 30 hands per hour dealt), there is $15 per hour donated by you to the rake.. So assuming 10 players at a table, there is a total of $150 per hour of rake, which is $15 per person... So you are saying you are playing EVERY SINGLE hand for 60 hours (1800 hands in a row).. if this is true, just go kill yourself if you can't figure out why you're a losing player..

[bettilimbroke999]

Grind away sq, I hope you play well enough to win 100 bucks so you can pay off the rake after 6 hours of play and maybe theyll comp you a meal

[Darkside Magick]

if a person making 850%roi on 1/2 nl, shyt why dont they move to 2/4 and double up or heaven forbid 3/6 and triple their money...you know why because it is a bunch of garbage

[sq764]

if a person making 850%roi on 1/2 nl, shyt why dont they move to 2/4 and double up or heaven forbid 3/6 and triple their money...you know why because it is a bunch of garbage

the 850% roi was quoted by this moron who thinks you pay $15 an hour rake and play every hand dealt to you and then wonders why he loses

[sq764]

Grind away sq, I hope you play well enough to win 100 bucks so you can pay off the rake after 6 hours of play and maybe theyll comp you a meal

if anyone is paying $16 an hour in rake then they're complete morons... have never been to a casino where its even possible to pay that much rake even if you were stupid enough to play every hand dealt to you..

[Hotdiggity11]

It's not possible to pay $16 rake in an hour at 1/2. Maybe 8-tabling online but live? LOL!

[ttwarrior1]

or your can lose 20 k a year

[bettilimbroke999]

and by the way, 60 hours $900 rake would mean (at an average of 30 hands per hour dealt), there is $15 per hour donated by you to the rake.. So assuming 10 players at a table, there is a total of $150 per hour of rake, which is $15 per person... So you are saying you are playing EVERY SINGLE hand for 60 hours (1800 hands in a row).. if this is true, just go kill yourself if you can't figure out why you're a losing player..

Sir please try to grasp the concept of basic mathematics, if there are 10 players being taxed 150 in rake/bad beat per hour what is the average contribution per player? It is 150/10 or 15/hour assuming you win an average of 10% of the hands or 3 hands/hour for 30 hands/hour dealt, now of course if you win no hands you will be being raked nothing but of course the downside is you will be losing your chips by not winning any hands and if you win more than 3 hands/hour you will be paying a larger than average portion of the table rake

[sq764]

It's not possible to pay $16 rake in an hour at 1/2. Maybe 8-tabling online but live? LOL!

good to see someone is paying attention to this guy's hilarious rake math

[ttwarrior1]

no, your wrong, you can pay 16 an hour rake, kids today

[sq764]

Sir please try to grasp the concept of basic mathematics, if there are 10 players being taxed 150 in rake/bad beat per hour what is the average contribution per player? It is 150/10 or 15/hour assuming you win an average of 10% of the hands or 3 hands/hour for 30 hands/hour dealt, now of course if you win no hands you will be being raked nothing but of course the downside is you will be losing your chips by not winning any hands and if you win more than 3 hands/hour you will be paying a larger than average portion of the table rake

just for kicks, how many hands would you (you personally) be playing per hour and what would the average pot be?

[bettilimbroke999]

if anyone is paying $16 an hour in rake then they're complete morons... have never been to a casino where its even possible to pay that much rake even if you were stupid enough to play every hand dealt to you..

Sir I sense that you may not be very bright and unable to fathom that if 10 ppl are paying 150/hr in rake/bad beat (5/hand 30 hands/hour) that on average you will be contributing 10% of that, apparently you have a deal worked out with your casino where they dont rake your pots at 1/2 and I feel you should be exempt from this discussion as you are literally baffled by the idea of having 5 bucks removed from any pot over 20 bucks that you've won but at my casino and every casino I've ever played at this is how its done, multiply that times 3 hands/hour won and theres your 15 avg hourly charge. I threw in a dollar an hour tip for the dealer which is optional, Im quite a prick so I would prolly pay 15 hour while you are dumb enough to think the dealer girl is going to suck you off after the game so youd prolly tip 5 an hour extra making your charge closer to 20 hour

[Darkside Magick]

it is 5 dollars here in california..just standard

[sq764]

Sir I sense that you may not be very bright and unable to fathom that if 10 ppl are paying 150/hr in rake/bad beat (5/hand 30 hands/hour) that on average you will be contributing 10% of that, apparently you have a deal worked out with your casino where they dont rake your pots at 1/2 and I feel you should be exempt from this discussion as you are literally baffled by the idea of having 5 bucks removed from any pot over 20 bucks that you've won but at my casino and every casino I've ever played at this is how its done, multiply that times 3 hands/hour won and theres your 15 avg hourly charge. I threw in a dollar an hour tip for the dealer which is optional, Im quite a prick so I would prolly pay 15 hour while you are dumb enough to think the dealer girl is going to suck you off after the game so youd prolly tip 5 an hour extra making your charge closer to 20 hour

this was fun, thanks for the entertainment son.. its pretty clear you are a bitter, losing player that thinks one cannot win at poker or sports in general (but keeps playing, probably so he can continue to whine).. And yes, everyone loses at poker and cannot beat the game, nor profit, nor can overcome the rake.. And anyone that does it is lying and stupid and an idiot.. thanks for opening the rest of the forum's eyes to this revelation.. Maybe the winning poker players will stop playing now, knowing that their entire run of profit has been just a sheer run of miraculous luck..

thanks for the comedy bud..

[sq764]

it is 5 dollars here in california..just standard

sort of true...

Hollywood park casino:

For the 1/2 no-limit Texas Holdem game there is a $2 rake and an additional $1 jackpot. For the 3/6 no-limit Texas Holdem game there is a $3 rake and an additional $1 jackpot. The 4/8 game features a $4 rake with a $1 jackpot. At certain times the casino designates games double jackpot prizes. The jackpot prize can be reached with an Aces full hand beaten by four-of-a kind or better.


So a maximum rake of $3 for the 1/2 game.. but why dispute facts with the OP moron

[Darkside Magick]

thaxs for that info...i never played at hollywood park.. may have to go the WOOOOOOOOOOD and check it out

[bettilimbroke999]

sort of true...

Hollywood park casino:

For the 1/2 no-limit Texas Holdem game there is a $2 rake and an additional $1 jackpot. For the 3/6 no-limit Texas Holdem game there is a $3 rake and an additional $1 jackpot. The 4/8 game features a $4 rake with a $1 jackpot. At certain times the casino designates games double jackpot prizes. The jackpot prize can be reached with an Aces full hand beaten by four-of-a kind or better.


So a maximum rake of $3 for the 1/2 game.. but why dispute facts with the OP moron

Whats that one of those 40 dollar max buy in California joke games? I play normal 1/2 nl with 100 min and 200 max, if you play that 40 max garbage you might as well buy scratch off tickets or just everybody throw 40 bucks in the pot and play showdown. I wish you good luck in your gambling...you'll need it

[sq764]

you just don't want to hear the truth.. you want people to agree with you that you can't win.. you shouldnt surround yourself with those people... maybe surround yourself with winning players and you'll become less bitter and more zoned in on realizing you can win if you work at it

[UntilTheNDofTimE]

My 2 cents very briefly....

i play 1/2 when im waiting for a bigger game, i mostly play 2/5 and 5/10 nl. I dont like the game because monetarily to me its a waste of time but....
Fact is any decent player can beat 1/2 nl for $100 a day on average. Its not a hard game to beat, and the rake is very easy to overcome.