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  • Ballerholic
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    #141
    Take the Pats
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    • 15805
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      #142
      Originally posted by stevenash
      Oh, so the deflated ball allegations defeated the Colts, the fact they were whipped like a rented mule in the Grand Canyon by the Pats on offense, defense, and special teams had no affect whatsoever on the final score, what was it again 934 to 7?

      Unsubscribe please, that post was a waste of bandwidth.
      Indy could have played with 14 guys on offense & defense and be given 5 downs
      to make a 1st down for them to have a chance. I think this Blount guy is the
      2nd most fearsome back in the league to Lynch which should almost equalize the run games,
      Brady, Gronk & Edelman will mesmorize the vaunted Seattle defense.
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      • lakerboy
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        • 04-02-09
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        #143
        Books laughing so hard. Taking juice on a pk-110 on both sides. Telling punters to guess whole they collect.

        BTW this game is a guess. Don't try and convince yourself either side has a glaring advantage.

        Coaches- even.
        Qb's- very tiny adv to brady
        Rb- lynch
        Te-gronk
        Wr's -even
        Front four-ne
        Lb's- hawks
        Outfield-pretty even
        Special teams- I think the pats kicker is a little better but rest even.
        Intangibles- seahawks


        Just bet on the coin flip. Same juice- same chance.

        Thanks
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        • PAYTON20
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          • 02-02-10
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          #144
          SO Many fukkin squares in this thread lol
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          • stevenash
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            • 01-17-11
            • 65684

            #145
            Originally posted by lakerboy
            Coaches- even.
            Qb's- very tiny adv to brady

            Thanks
            Petey is not in the same class as Bill, and not even close.
            Wilson, albeit a smart QB, is nowhere near the QB Brady is, and I'm not a fan of Bill or Tom, but come on, let's be realistic here.
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            • stevenash
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              • 01-17-11
              • 65684

              #146
              Originally posted by PAYTON20
              SO Many fukkin squares in this thread lol
              Define square.
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              • ramones951
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                • 12-23-08
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                #147
                Originally posted by stevenash
                Define square.
                Handicapping a football game like this:

                Originally posted by lakerboy
                Books laughing so hard. Taking juice on a pk-110 on both sides. Telling punters to guess whole they collect.

                BTW this game is a guess. Don't try and convince yourself either side has a glaring advantage.

                Coaches- even.
                Qb's- very tiny adv to brady
                Rb- lynch
                Te-gronk
                Wr's -even
                Front four-ne
                Lb's- hawks
                Outfield-pretty even
                Special teams- I think the pats kicker is a little better but rest even.
                Intangibles- seahawks


                Just bet on the coin flip. Same juice- same chance.

                Thanks
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                • PAYTON20
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                  • 02-02-10
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                  #148
                  Originally posted by lakerboy
                  Books laughing so hard. Taking juice on a pk-110 on both sides. Telling punters to guess whole they collect.

                  BTW this game is a guess. Don't try and convince yourself either side has a glaring advantage.

                  Coaches- even.
                  Qb's- very tiny adv to brady
                  Rb- lynch
                  Te-gronk
                  Wr's -even
                  Front four-ne
                  Lb's- hawks
                  Outfield-pretty even
                  Special teams- I think the pats kicker is a little better but rest even.
                  Intangibles- seahawks


                  Just bet on the coin flip. Same juice- same chance.

                  Thanks
                  Originally posted by ramones951
                  Handicapping a football game like this:

                  ^^ exactly

                  Not really in the mood to argue with anyone over this because it's a waste of time... But I just about spit my coffee out reading some of the comments in this thread:

                  -"Blount and Pats run game on par with Beast Mode and Seahawks run game"

                  -"Pats defense on par with Seahawks defense"


                  Too much rationalizing and overreaction to the conference championships
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                  • 2daBank
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                    • 01-26-09
                    • 88966

                    #149
                    ^^ more like too much homer ass pom pom waving to see the truth..
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                    • BeanTownClown88
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                      • 1961

                      #150
                      Hawks offense 1 dimensional..Pats defense is very dynamic, capable of baiting wilson into turnovers/mistakes..can keep Seattle out of the endzone. pats offense since week 4 has been dynamic, plus they are great at half time adjusting...Hawks have more to gameplan for than the pats..wouldn't be surprised if the pats win and Tim Wright is the MVP or something crazy..A guy who hasn't caught more than 10 balls all year can be player of the game any given week for this team...will be a great game
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                      • stevenash
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                        • 01-17-11
                        • 65684

                        #151
                        Originally posted by PAYTON20

                        Too much rationalizing and overreaction to the conference championships
                        Yeah, even though Wilson made some dopey mistakes Sunday doesn't change the fact that he's still a smart QB.
                        Blount had a monster game Sunday, but that doesn't change the fact he's not Walter Peyton.

                        Lakerboy brings up intangibles, just the fact that Sherman and others are injured, call it what you want, hurt, or injured, banged up, whatever automaticly gives Patriots the edge in that department.
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                        • bob6199
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                          #152
                          Originally posted by 15805
                          Indy could have played with 14 guys on offense & defense and be given 5 downs
                          to make a 1st down for them to have a chance. I think this Blount guy is the
                          2nd most fearsome back in the league to Lynch which should almost equalize the run games,
                          Brady, Gronk & Edelman will mesmorize the vaunted Seattle defense.
                          the thing in bold may just be the stupidest thing i have ever heard.
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                          • lakerboy
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                            • 04-02-09
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                            #153
                            I didn't handicap the game. It's afukking pick for a reason. If you think you have an edge with one side then take them. My point is that books are making coin nomatter what.
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                            • PAYTON20
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                              • 02-02-10
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                              #154
                              So when the Patriots gave up 31 points AT HOME in a playoff game to 2 weeks ago, that was the best and most dynamic defense in the NFL?????

                              To the 10-6 Ravens?? Lol

                              The Seahawks never gave up 31 points in the entire season
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                              • BeanTownClown88
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                                #155
                                Still won the game
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                                • bob6199
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                                  #156
                                  Originally posted by BeanTownClown88
                                  Still won the game
                                  as did Seattle last week, point is not to take any of the last few weeks into capping this game. Different teams, different gameplans, different executions of of those gameplans.
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                                  • PAYTON20
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                                    #157
                                    Originally posted by bob6199
                                    the thing in bold may just be the stupidest thing i have ever heard.
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                                    • sneakerhead
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                                      #158
                                      Seattle is not the same team from last year, not sure why people keep comparing the two games. Seattle is missing Golden Tate, Percy Harvin and Zach Miller.
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                                      • stevenash
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                                        • 01-17-11
                                        • 65684

                                        #159
                                        Originally posted by lakerboy
                                        I didn't handicap the game. It's afukking pick for a reason. If you think you have an edge with one side then take them. My point is that books are making coin nomatter what.
                                        Bought Pats +122 ml on Monday morning.
                                        I like to think I have a tiny edge, but an edge never the less.
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                                        • PAYTON20
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                                          #160
                                          Originally posted by 2daBank
                                          ^^ more like too much homer ass pom pom waving to see the truth..
                                          Let's look at the truth:

                                          Total Defense:

                                          Seahawks: 1st in NFL (267.1 YPG)
                                          Patriots: 13th in NFL (344.1 YPG)

                                          Passing Defense:

                                          Seahawks: 1st in NFL (185.6 YPG)
                                          Patriots: 17th in NFL (239.8 YPG)

                                          Rushing Defense:
                                          Seahawks: 3rd in NFL (81.5 YPG)
                                          Patriots: 9th in NFL (104.3 YPG)

                                          Rushing Offense:
                                          Seahawks: 1st in NFL (172.6 YPG)
                                          Patriots: 18th in NFL (107.9 YPG)

                                          Legarrette Blount: 125 car., 547 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 TDs

                                          Marshawn Lynch: 280 car., 1,306 yards (4th in NFL), 4.7 YPC, 13 TDs (1st in NFL)

                                          Now those are the facts

                                          The only real advantage the Patriots have over the Seahawks is in passing offense. But luckily for the Hawks, the Pats passing offense doesn't face off against Seattle's passing offense. They face Seattle's defense which is the #1 passing defense in the NFL with the best secondary in NFL's recent history
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                                          • lakerboy
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                                            • 04-02-09
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                                            #161
                                            Originally posted by stevenash
                                            Bought Pats +122 ml on Monday morning.
                                            I like to think I have a tiny edge, but an edge never the less.
                                            You do as of now. Let's see what it closes at. Looks like ne will close favored or atleast juiced. As far as this game the books know nothing.
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                                            • 2daBank
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                                              • 01-26-09
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                                              #162
                                              Originally posted by bob6199
                                              as did Seattle last week, point is not to take any of the last few weeks into capping this game. Different teams, different gameplans, different executions of of those gameplans.
                                              at least someone has some fukkin sense round here,, so sick of hearing bout last weeks gms or the week before that..last weeks gms dont mean shit, the week before dont mean shit. it the playoffs you win and advance, doenst really matter how you do it and every team they both played brought totally different challenges than what they will both present to each other.. we have a full season worth of numbers to look at and for some reason half the ppl on pats want to point to last week and half the ppl on sea want to point to 2 weeks ago, lol...
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                                              • 2daBank
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                                                • 01-26-09
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                                                #163
                                                Originally posted by PAYTON20
                                                Let's look at the truth:

                                                Total Defense:

                                                Seahawks: 1st in NFL (267.1 YPG)
                                                Patriots: 13th in NFL (344.1 YPG)

                                                Passing Defense:

                                                Seahawks: 1st in NFL (185.6 YPG)
                                                Patriots: 17th in NFL (239.8 YPG)

                                                Rushing Defense:
                                                Seahawks: 3rd in NFL (81.5 YPG)
                                                Patriots: 9th in NFL (104.3 YPG)

                                                Rushing Offense:
                                                Seahawks: 1st in NFL (172.6 YPG)
                                                Patriots: 18th in NFL (107.9 YPG)

                                                Legarrette Blount: 125 car., 547 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 TDs

                                                Marshawn Lynch: 280 car., 1,306 yards (4th in NFL), 4.7 YPC, 13 TDs (1st in NFL)

                                                Now those are the facts

                                                The only real advantage the Patriots have over the Seahawks is in passing offense. But luckily for the Hawks, the Pats passing offense doesn't face off against Seattle's passing offense. They face Seattle's defense which is the #1 passing defense in the NFL with the best secondary in NFL's recent history
                                                you want some real truth,, anyone that uses yards per game as any sort of indicator doesnt know wtf they are doing.. FACT
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                                                • 15805
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                                                  #164
                                                  Originally posted by bob6199
                                                  the thing in bold may just be the stupidest thing i have ever heard.
                                                  Lynch definitely is the RB that most defensive backs cringe when
                                                  they see him coming, whose #2 in that department certainly not Bell,
                                                  Charles, Murray who are better backs only Lacey might be ahead
                                                  of Blount.
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                                                  • stevenash
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                                                    • 01-17-11
                                                    • 65684

                                                    #165
                                                    Originally posted by PAYTON20
                                                    Let's look at the truth:

                                                    Total Defense:

                                                    Seahawks: 1st in NFL (267.1 YPG)
                                                    Patriots: 13th in NFL (344.1 YPG)

                                                    Passing Defense:

                                                    Seahawks: 1st in NFL (185.6 YPG)
                                                    Patriots: 17th in NFL (239.8 YPG)

                                                    Rushing Defense:
                                                    Seahawks: 3rd in NFL (81.5 YPG)
                                                    Patriots: 9th in NFL (104.3 YPG)

                                                    Rushing Offense:
                                                    Seahawks: 1st in NFL (172.6 YPG)
                                                    Patriots: 18th in NFL (107.9 YPG)

                                                    Legarrette Blount: 125 car., 547 yards, 4.4 YPC, 5 TDs

                                                    Marshawn Lynch: 280 car., 1,306 yards (4th in NFL), 4.7 YPC, 13 TDs (1st in NFL)

                                                    Now those are the facts

                                                    The only real advantage the Patriots have over the Seahawks is in passing offense. But luckily for the Hawks, the Pats passing offense doesn't face off against Seattle's passing offense. They face Seattle's defense which is the #1 passing defense in the NFL with the best secondary in NFL's recent history
                                                    Handicapping like that, then the Buffallo Bills in 1990 should have destroyed the NY Giants in the Super Bowl.
                                                    The line was 7.5 and most 'sharps' thought it should have been 10

                                                    Jim Kelly was lights out laser accurate that season, #1 in accuracy, QB ratiing, completion pct., everytime he threw the ball that season it was pretty much money. Bills had the #1 rush attack, Thurmon Thomas was Beast Mode before Lynch was. He ran away with the rushing title (in the AFC) Barry Sanders had like 20 more run yards in the NFC.

                                                    Bills had the #1 ranked QB going in, the #1 rush attack going in, and even though he was the goat of the game, Norwood and the special teams were top five ranked going in.

                                                    Bills had nine all-pros starting that game.
                                                    On defense Bruce Smith was sacking every opposing QB in the league.
                                                    Bills had a depends on what metrics you use, a top 3 defense.

                                                    Giants had a journey man QB in Hoestetler finish the season when Simms went down.
                                                    Bills pretty much owned the Giants in almost every statistical category going in.

                                                    How that turn out?

                                                    I'll tell you how that turned out, some tuna by the name of Bill Parcells sat down with his hand picked defensive coordinator Bill Belichick and said the Belichick, the way to stop this unstoppable K-gun offense of Kelly and the Bills is to keep the ball out of their hands.
                                                    He told Belichick to come up with a game plan on defense, Parcells took care of the offense game plan with Romeo Crenell.
                                                    (Al Groh was Belichics assistant on defense in 1990)

                                                    The perfect game plan, Bill and Bill came up with a 'keep away' blueprint.
                                                    Still needed a shank from Norwood to win it, but my point here is...........
                                                    (if I have to tell you the point, you'll never get it.)

                                                    Now, 25 years later, I think Belichick knows what to do still.
                                                    Tackle eligibles, WR's in the backfield, all sorts of formations that Petey and his defense has never seen before therefore he can't prepare for.

                                                    Nice kick shank-a-sauraus by the way

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                                                    • 2daBank
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                                                      #166
                                                      nasher that brings back painful memories.. that was the 1st year i really started gambling, seemed every kid i knew was on gmen and i ate all their action. i had to sell off some of my baseball card collection to pay all the fukkers..think i was 12 or 13, lol..
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                                                      • PAYTON20
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                                                        #167
                                                        Originally posted by 2daBank
                                                        you want some real truth,, anyone that uses yards per game as any sort of indicator doesnt know wtf they are doing.. FACT
                                                        Lol ok bro

                                                        It doesn't matter how you spin it

                                                        Total Scoring Defense:

                                                        Seahawks 1st in NFL
                                                        Patriots 9th in NFL
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                                                        • lakerboy
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                                                          • 04-02-09
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                                                          #168
                                                          Nasher I think the pats are this year's version opf the bills. Seahawks would resemble gmen.


                                                          Payton where did sea rank in short passing yards allowed? 17th?

                                                          Rodgers showed last week you can move the ball and he wasn't fit.
                                                          Brady could be healthy.
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                                                          • stevenash
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                                                            • 01-17-11
                                                            • 65684

                                                            #169
                                                            ^
                                                            You want memories, Simms and the G-Men over the Elway's.
                                                            Right after they polished off Montana 49-3, and shutout the Deadskins to reach the SB the line opened up around 8, I call my local when it was 10, I got my yearend bonus for 3K a month earlier, and put it all in on NYG -10, think the line ended up 12, when I called the local I asked him if he can cover 3 dimes, he said 'easily' I said "Gimme NYG 3 dimes -10" he let out a giant sigh, that spoke volumes, he got destroyed, paid everybody every penny too. Stand up book
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                                                            • 2daBank
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                                                              • 01-26-09
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                                                              #170
                                                              Originally posted by PAYTON20
                                                              Lol ok bro

                                                              It doesn't matter how you spin it

                                                              Total Scoring Defense:

                                                              Seahawks 1st in NFL
                                                              Patriots 9th in NFL
                                                              ra ra sis boom ba

                                                              do you wear a skirt when you spewing your homer trash?

                                                              oh i mean spitting out meaningless surface stats that lets us all know how much better sea is? that the reason the gm a pick because sea is superior in every category..
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                                                              • swag1982
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                                                                #171
                                                                Originally posted by bob6199
                                                                the thing in bold may just be the stupidest thing i have ever heard.
                                                                Yeah if he was even close then y didn't the steelers use him instead of bell
                                                                i think Blount is more comparable to say a Ryan Mathews or somebody like that
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                                                                • stevenash
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                                                                  • 01-17-11
                                                                  • 65684

                                                                  #172
                                                                  Originally posted by PAYTON20
                                                                  Lol ok bro

                                                                  It doesn't matter how you spin it

                                                                  Total Scoring Defense:

                                                                  Seahawks 1st in NFL
                                                                  Patriots 9th in NFL
                                                                  This is the way I think it goes, Wilson can't beat Revis in the secondary, I think Wilson won't have a very good passing day, he's going to have to pass to the other side of Revis,

                                                                  If Belichick stuffs the box with 8 to neutralize Lynch, what's the plan? TE over the middle?
                                                                  Speaking of TE over the middle, can Seattle stop that Gronk slant over the middle, he's even tougher to bring down then Lynch.

                                                                  It's obvious Seattle has to stop Gronk, Pats have to stuff Lynch.
                                                                  If Brady is allowed to dink and donk, game will be over in the 3rd
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                                                                  • PAYTON20
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                                                                    • 02-02-10
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                                                                    #173
                                                                    Nasher not capping game based off the stats I listed above.

                                                                    Only responding to ridiculous comments made previously in this thread that are flat out false

                                                                    I'm not really following this whole idea that Bellichick will have some secret offense that the Seahawks will be unable to defend. Seems a bit far fetched to me.

                                                                    Where was Bellichick's secret unstoppable offense in the past Super Bowls when the Patriots laid a fat egg?

                                                                    Anyhow, good luck to everyone on whatever they play. Should be a great game
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                                                                    • sneakerhead
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                                                                      #174
                                                                      Originally posted by PAYTON20
                                                                      Anyhow, good luck to everyone on whatever they play. Should be a great game
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                                                                      • stevenash
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                                                                        • 01-17-11
                                                                        • 65684

                                                                        #175
                                                                        ^
                                                                        No secret. I think it's going to be the Brady and Gronk show until Seattle proves they can stop the Brady to Gronk show.
                                                                        I don't think Brady is going to be a mad bomber at all.
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