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  • wtf
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 08-22-08
    • 12983

    #1
    higher taxes-here we go !!!
    bama Seeks $1 Trillion Tax Increase on High Earners, Companies
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    By Ryan J. Donmoyer
    Feb. 26 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama proposed almost $1 trillion in higher taxes on the 2.6 million highest- earning Americans, Wall Street financiers, U.S.-based multinational corporations, and oil companies, to pay for permanent breaks for lower earners.
    The president’s 2010 budget proposal, released today, would reinstate the top two Clinton-era tax rates of 36 percent and 39.6 percent in 2011, up from the 33 percent and 35 percent that the wealthiest Americans currently pay. It would also raise taxes on capital gains and dividends to 20 percent for top earners, up from the 15 percent established by former President George W. Bush in 2003.
    The tax increases, which Obama vowed to implement as a presidential candidate, would be the first on high-income earners since 1993 and would reverse a course set by Bush of lowering the tax burden on the nation’s wealthiest people.
    “It’s a clear repudiation of Bush’s policy,” said Peter Morici, an economist at the University of Maryland in College Park. “It’s more Obama Robin Hood.”
    Obama’s budget does keep in place Bush’s tax cuts that benefit lower- and middle-income earners and it preserves a sliver of policy that benefits the more affluent: A preferential tax rate on corporate dividends. Before Bush, dividends were taxed as ordinary income, or at rates as high as 39.6 percent in the 1990s.
    “It is a hugely positive step to keep that part of the ‘03 changes,” said Pamela Olson, who was the top tax official in Bush’s Treasury Department in 2003 when the tax rate on dividends was reduced. “It’s good economic policy, good corporate governance policy, and good tax policy.”
    Additional Burden
    Higher-income earners, primarily families with more than $250,000 of income, would face an additional tax burden under a proposal to reinstate limitations on their itemized deductions, which would subject more of their income to tax. In all, top- earning households would pay $636.7 billion in additional taxes over the next decade, Obama’s budget estimates.
    The higher taxes on individuals will largely be used to pay for expanded health coverage for lower-income Americans and to make permanent Obama’s tax breaks such as a payroll tax credit worth up to $1,000 that was adopted on a temporary basis in the $787 billion fiscal stimulus measure earlier this month.
    Executives at private-equity firms, venture-capital firms, some hedge funds and other partnerships that receive a 20 percent “carried interest” in the firm’s profits would see their tax burdens nearly triple under Obama’s budget.
    Tax Like Wages
    Most of their carried interest currently is taxed at the 15 percent rate for long-term capital gains. Obama is asking Congress to tax the profit share as ordinary income, arguing that it’s a form of wages; under his plan, most executives would pay 39.6 percent.
    That proposal will likely reignite a debate that was waged by Congress in 2007 when the House of Representatives approved the change and the Senate never considered it.
    Obama proposed $353.5 billion in higher taxes on corporations over the next decade, the bulk of which would come from “reforming” rules that allow U.S.-based multinational corporations such as General Electric Co. to defer U.S. tax on profits they earn overseas. GE has about $75 billion offshore on which it has never paid U.S., according to its regulatory filings.
    Obama’s budget estimates such reforms and beefing up Internal Revenue Service enforcement of international tax rules would generate $210 billion in additional revenue over the next decade.
    ‘Last-In, First Out’
    He also proposed ending a tax accounting technique called “last-in, first out” or LIFO, that primarily benefits oil and gas companies but is widely used across industries.
    Republican senators in April 2006 floated such a tax increase but backed off after Exxon Mobil Corp. Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Rex Tillerson called the proposal a “backdoor windfall-profits tax.”
    In addition to oil companies, the repeal of LIFO would hit retailers, automakers and makers of non-automotive heavy equipment, textile makers, consumer products, drug companies, alcohol and tobacco manufacturers and wholesalers, according to tax experts.
    The accounting method has been commonly used since the 1930s and is viewed as the most accurate measure of income for financial statement purposes, according to the congressional Joint Committee on Taxation, a nonpartisan panel.
    To contact the reporter on this story: Ryan Donmoyer in Washington at rdonmoyer@bloomberg.net;
  • durito
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 07-03-06
    • 13173

    #2
    If you took your lifetime income squared and called it your 2008 income, you still wouldn't make enough to qualify for this tax increase.
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    • durito
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 07-03-06
      • 13173

      #3
      WTF:

      Are you against proposals such as this:

      Obama proposed $353.5 billion in higher taxes on corporations over the next decade, the bulk of which would come from “reforming” rules that allow U.S.-based multinational corporations such as General Electric Co. to defer U.S. tax on profits they earn overseas. GE has about $75 billion offshore on which it has never paid U.S., according to its regulatory filings.
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      • fiveteamer
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 04-14-08
        • 10805

        #4
        Why are poor people against tax increases for the rich? I think Ganchrow posted an excellent article on this before.
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        • SlickFazzer
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 05-22-08
          • 20209

          #5
          99% of the people on this board will see no increase to their tax.
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          • fiveteamer
            SBR Posting Legend
            • 04-14-08
            • 10805

            #6
            SBR_John
            _

            The entire board

            it has to be greater than 99%
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            • daggerkobe
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 03-25-08
              • 10744

              #7
              The higher gas prices that these neonitwits have been paying the past 8 years was a form of tax increase also. We paid $4-5/gal and the oil companies made record profits and paid higher taxes.... which went to fund the war.

              They're too dumb to realize it though.
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              • ryanXL977
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 02-24-08
                • 20615

                #8
                you support the increased aggression by the us armed forces, you need to pay for it. the ogp has one idea, one way to lure voters, tax cuts. does nothing but essentially bribe people to vote for them. they have no ideas. none. id say 95% of those voting for gop candidates dont make close to 6 figures
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                • daggerkobe
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 03-25-08
                  • 10744

                  #9
                  Avg driver paid around $900 a year in gas in 2000.

                  Avg driver paid around $2700 a year in gas in 2008.

                  That's an increase of $1800 per driver.

                  If Obama had said he was increasing taxes by $1800 for each adult, imagine all the outrage from the neonitwits. Even though that's exactly what Bush did and got away with for 8 years.
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                  • Boner_18
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 08-24-08
                    • 8301

                    #10
                    There is a provision that effects the mortgage interest deduction which will negatively effect upper-middle class home owners. Not a fan of this one.
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                    • ATB515
                      Restricted User
                      • 01-08-09
                      • 734

                      #11
                      you're a high earner?

                      Originally posted by wtf
                      bama Seeks $1 Trillion Tax Increase on High Earners, Companies
                      Email | Print | A A A


                      By Ryan J. Donmoyer
                      Feb. 26 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama proposed almost $1 trillion in higher taxes on the 2.6 million highest- earning Americans, Wall Street financiers, U.S.-based multinational corporations, and oil companies, to pay for permanent breaks for lower earners.
                      The president’s 2010 budget proposal, released today, would reinstate the top two Clinton-era tax rates of 36 percent and 39.6 percent in 2011, up from the 33 percent and 35 percent that the wealthiest Americans currently pay. It would also raise taxes on capital gains and dividends to 20 percent for top earners, up from the 15 percent established by former President George W. Bush in 2003.
                      The tax increases, which Obama vowed to implement as a presidential candidate, would be the first on high-income earners since 1993 and would reverse a course set by Bush of lowering the tax burden on the nation’s wealthiest people.
                      “It’s a clear repudiation of Bush’s policy,” said Peter Morici, an economist at the University of Maryland in College Park. “It’s more Obama Robin Hood.”
                      Obama’s budget does keep in place Bush’s tax cuts that benefit lower- and middle-income earners and it preserves a sliver of policy that benefits the more affluent: A preferential tax rate on corporate dividends. Before Bush, dividends were taxed as ordinary income, or at rates as high as 39.6 percent in the 1990s.
                      “It is a hugely positive step to keep that part of the ‘03 changes,” said Pamela Olson, who was the top tax official in Bush’s Treasury Department in 2003 when the tax rate on dividends was reduced. “It’s good economic policy, good corporate governance policy, and good tax policy.”
                      Additional Burden
                      Higher-income earners, primarily families with more than $250,000 of income, would face an additional tax burden under a proposal to reinstate limitations on their itemized deductions, which would subject more of their income to tax. In all, top- earning households would pay $636.7 billion in additional taxes over the next decade, Obama’s budget estimates.
                      The higher taxes on individuals will largely be used to pay for expanded health coverage for lower-income Americans and to make permanent Obama’s tax breaks such as a payroll tax credit worth up to $1,000 that was adopted on a temporary basis in the $787 billion fiscal stimulus measure earlier this month.
                      Executives at private-equity firms, venture-capital firms, some hedge funds and other partnerships that receive a 20 percent “carried interest” in the firm’s profits would see their tax burdens nearly triple under Obama’s budget.
                      Tax Like Wages
                      Most of their carried interest currently is taxed at the 15 percent rate for long-term capital gains. Obama is asking Congress to tax the profit share as ordinary income, arguing that it’s a form of wages; under his plan, most executives would pay 39.6 percent.
                      That proposal will likely reignite a debate that was waged by Congress in 2007 when the House of Representatives approved the change and the Senate never considered it.
                      Obama proposed $353.5 billion in higher taxes on corporations over the next decade, the bulk of which would come from “reforming” rules that allow U.S.-based multinational corporations such as General Electric Co. to defer U.S. tax on profits they earn overseas. GE has about $75 billion offshore on which it has never paid U.S., according to its regulatory filings.
                      Obama’s budget estimates such reforms and beefing up Internal Revenue Service enforcement of international tax rules would generate $210 billion in additional revenue over the next decade.
                      ‘Last-In, First Out’
                      He also proposed ending a tax accounting technique called “last-in, first out” or LIFO, that primarily benefits oil and gas companies but is widely used across industries.
                      Republican senators in April 2006 floated such a tax increase but backed off after Exxon Mobil Corp. Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Rex Tillerson called the proposal a “backdoor windfall-profits tax.”
                      In addition to oil companies, the repeal of LIFO would hit retailers, automakers and makers of non-automotive heavy equipment, textile makers, consumer products, drug companies, alcohol and tobacco manufacturers and wholesalers, according to tax experts.
                      The accounting method has been commonly used since the 1930s and is viewed as the most accurate measure of income for financial statement purposes, according to the congressional Joint Committee on Taxation, a nonpartisan panel.
                      To contact the reporter on this story: Ryan Donmoyer in Washington at rdonmoyer@bloomberg.net;
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                      • therber2
                        Restricted User
                        • 12-22-08
                        • 3715

                        #12
                        Originally posted by daggerkobe
                        Avg driver paid around $900 a year in gas in 2000.

                        Avg driver paid around $2700 a year in gas in 2008.

                        That's an increase of $1800 per driver.

                        If Obama had said he was increasing taxes by $1800 for each adult, imagine all the outrage from the neonitwits. Even though that's exactly what Bush did and got away with for 8 years.
                        So you don't think gas prices are going back up?....Explain this.
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                        • Average Joe
                          SBR Rookie
                          • 02-07-09
                          • 13

                          #13
                          I have a basic belief that if you raise the cost of doing business for these "high earners", then the tax increase will be passed on to all of us as end users in the form of higher prices. I doubt most corporations will merely eat the higher cost of doing business but will do what business does to maintain it's profit margin and raise their prices accordingly.
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                          • wtf
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 08-22-08
                            • 12983

                            #14
                            taxes start at the top

                            MORE TO COME , ENJOY
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                            • daggerkobe
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 03-25-08
                              • 10744

                              #15
                              Originally posted by therber2
                              So you don't think gas prices are going back up?....Explain this.
                              If it does, it won't be because of manipulation from the White House.

                              Example:

                              On November 13, 2001, President Bush ordered the government to fill the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to its capacity of 700 million barrels. Since then, the SPR fill-rate has accelerated and oil prices have gone through the roof, increasing from $21.67 to a record-setting $55.33 per barrel.

                              Not to mention invading Iraq and putting their oil production offline caused further spike in prices.
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                              • slacker00
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 10-06-05
                                • 12262

                                #16
                                Originally posted by therber2
                                So you don't think gas prices are going back up?....Explain this.
                                Gas prices are directly linked to the global economy, which is directly linked to the U.S. economy. If we recover, so will gas prices. It's very very simple.



                                Originally posted by Average Joe
                                I have a basic belief that if you raise the cost of doing business for these "high earners", then the tax increase will be passed on to all of us as end users in the form of higher prices. I doubt most corporations will merely eat the higher cost of doing business but will do what business does to maintain it's profit margin and raise their prices accordingly.
                                This is true. Then again, if prices are raised, that could allow opportunity for competition from smaller, local or new business. There's always a trade off.
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                                • MonkeyF0cker
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 06-12-07
                                  • 12144

                                  #17
                                  For those against the tax hikes, can someone please explain to me, rationally, how they expect to pay this enormous deficit and national debt without increasing taxes? Thank you.
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                                  • JBC77
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 03-23-07
                                    • 3816

                                    #18
                                    George Bush was bad but Obama is a f!@#ing disaster.
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                                    • wtf
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 08-22-08
                                      • 12983

                                      #19
                                      dear sirs, first-dont increase the debt by increasing expenditures

                                      having some debt is not bad

                                      increasing taxes ultimately leads to increase of spending, historically it always has

                                      a dramatic decrease in taxes would energize the people and companies that are the engine of growth, historically this has been proven
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                                      • MonkeyF0cker
                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                        • 06-12-07
                                        • 12144

                                        #20
                                        I have yet to pass much judgement on Obama. I think he deserves a chance to see if his policies are effective. It's a bit early to say for certain. He has made change, as promised. I am hopeful that some of the green technology investments will pay off for us. That is the next of the industries that will create economic boom, much like the PC era of the 90's but on a far greater scale.
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                                        • wtf
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 08-22-08
                                          • 12983

                                          #21
                                          do you know ONLY 9% of mortgages are in default !!

                                          do you want to spend BILLIONS support ~10% of the fukin idiots who should not have owned a home anyway? so glad i dont live there anymore
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                                          • MonkeyF0cker
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 06-12-07
                                            • 12144

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by wtf
                                            dear sirs, first-dont increase the debt by increasing expenditures

                                            having some debt is not bad

                                            increasing taxes ultimately leads to increase of spending, historically it always has

                                            a dramatic decrease in taxes would energize the people and companies that are the engine of growth, historically this has been proven
                                            Record debt is not some debt. The ever-increasing disparity between the rich and middle class and the current economic crisis would seem to suggest that those tax cuts do nothing but further line the pockets of the affluent rather than promote more high paying jobs in the U.S.
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                                            • MonkeyF0cker
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 06-12-07
                                              • 12144

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by wtf
                                              do you know ONLY 9% of mortgages are in default !!

                                              do you want to spend BILLIONS support ~10% of the fukin idiots who should not have owned a home anyway? so glad i dont live there anymore
                                              Go to http://hotpads.com and look at a map of foreclosures in Las Vegas once. It's absolutely shocking.
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                                              • MonkeyF0cker
                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                • 06-12-07
                                                • 12144

                                                #24
                                                These people should have never been approved for a mortgage. The lending institutions are the ones to blame for this mess. They pushed for the legislation allowing this problem to evolve and they profited greatly from it, all while the government allowed them to freeroll us by bailing them out. They were the ones who knew they were fvcking people over through sheer greed. They are the ones I blame. Not the people who had no idea what they were getting themselves into...
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                                                • MonkeyF0cker
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 06-12-07
                                                  • 12144

                                                  #25
                                                  There's no excuse for ignorance but willfully and deliberately endangering the economic welfare of our nation for personal profit should be a capital offense.
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                                                  • MonkeyF0cker
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 06-12-07
                                                    • 12144

                                                    #26
                                                    Here's a statistic that shows the effect of all of this.

                                                    New home sales in the month of January in Las Vegas:

                                                    2009: 284
                                                    2005: 4,000
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                                                    • durito
                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                      • 07-03-06
                                                      • 13173

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Boner_18
                                                      There is a provision that effects the mortgage interest deduction which will negatively effect upper-middle class home owners. Not a fan of this one.

                                                      Don't drink the cool aid.

                                                      This affects second homes only. Primary residence's are not affected. If you can afford a vacation home, you can afford higher taxes.
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                                                      • Data
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 11-27-07
                                                        • 2236

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                                        For those against the tax hikes, can someone please explain to me, rationally, how they expect to pay this enormous deficit and national debt without increasing taxes? Thank you.
                                                        Simplifying,
                                                        Taxes collected$ = rate% * income$

                                                        If economy is slow, high rate% is not going to help to increase Taxes collected$ because income$ is going to be close to 0. If you lower rate% then income$ will go up increasing Taxes collected$.
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                                                        • Data
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 11-27-07
                                                          • 2236

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                                          These people should have never been approved for a mortgage. The lending institutions are the ones to blame for this mess.
                                                          Saying it is all banks' fault is just one step short from saying that it is all Jews' fault because "we all know who the bankers are".

                                                          They were the ones who knew they were fvcking people over through sheer greed. They are the ones I blame.
                                                          The banks... The way you paint it they must be some huge bad shady entities, some things with the minds of their own, the mythical creatures of sorts. If banks ripped of the borrowers and got all those high profits then how come the banks are the bankrupts?

                                                          There is nothing mythical about the banks. They have the same type of moronic managers running them as any other businesses. They have people working for them what are the very same people who got screwed with mortgages. There is no fvcking conspiracy against the common folks. It is neither banks, Jews, nor little green men. Stop this nonsense.

                                                          The greed... The greed is pretty much a force of nature, something like fire or water. It is neither good or bad. It can be both. What should be done with forces of nature is to make then work for humankind. There are obvious examples how any of these forces of nature can be beneficial. When it comes to greed, it can be good because it makes people work harder. It is up to the rule writes (the government) to create a set of rules that make the greed working towards something good (innovation, manufacturing and so on). The rules that were created encourage people, regular people like you and me, who were working for the banks to push those mortgages out. You cannot blame them, they were doing their jobs and they were not breaking the law.

                                                          You say the banks pushed for those rules to take place. In other words, they pushed for self-distraction. That is irrational. The banks were forced to adapt those rules and were given money to lend by the Federal Reserve. The morons at the helm made this happen.

                                                          Peter Principles rules everywhere. We have met the enemy and he is us.
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                                                          • wtf
                                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                                            • 08-22-08
                                                            • 12983

                                                            #30
                                                            sorry data i dont think your right

                                                            these banks and investment entities (morgan stanley-lehmans-etc) hire these giant brained phd types to assess the quality of these financial instruments, irrespective if it is "legal" or not.

                                                            they kept buying them, repackaging them, and selling them to fannie mae, again with a bunch of financial wizards

                                                            they were BETTING the US housing market was in a perptual upswing, they lost their bets

                                                            now here we are

                                                            and monkey stats on home sales in vegas is nothing but shocking
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                                                            • andywend
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 05-20-07
                                                              • 4805

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally Posted by daggerkobe
                                                              Avg driver paid around $900 a year in gas in 2000.

                                                              Avg driver paid around $2700 a year in gas in 2008.

                                                              That's an increase of $1800 per driver.

                                                              If Obama had said he was increasing taxes by $1800 for each adult, imagine all the outrage from the neonitwits. Even though that's exactly what Bush did and got away with for 8 years.


                                                              So you don't think gas prices are going back up?....Explain this.
                                                              Posted by DAGGERKOBE
                                                              If it does, it won't be because of manipulation from the White House.


                                                              According to Daggerkobe, who has to be the biggest idiot to post in this forum:

                                                              Gas prices going up when a republican is president = president totally responsible for increase in gas prices

                                                              Gas prices going up when a democratic is president = If it does, it won't be because of manipulation from the White House.

                                                              What scares me the most is that this is the way all democrats think and these idiots have total power right now.

                                                              GOD HELP US ALL!!!
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                                                              • Dark Horse
                                                                SBR Posting Legend
                                                                • 12-14-05
                                                                • 13764

                                                                #32
                                                                You don't have to pay federal income tax if you don't want to. There is no law that says you have to. Ask any tax authority to show you the law. They won't be able to.
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                                                                • slacker00
                                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                                  • 10-06-05
                                                                  • 12262

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                                                  There's no excuse for ignorance but willfully and deliberately endangering the economic welfare of our nation for personal profit should be a capital offense.
                                                                  Good luck proving willful and deliberate endangerment in a court of law. Most of these "culprits" were working well within the limits of the law. The lack of regulation was a big problem. Yes, there were the Madoffs that were outright crooks, throw the book at those guys.

                                                                  We needed more regulations to keep the worst of this from happening. Otherwise, there's nothing wrong with personal profit. That's what build this country.


                                                                  Good points by Data. We've got a system that works, we just need to get back on track. There are still some big problems to be addressed.
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                                                                  • daggerkobe
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 03-25-08
                                                                    • 10744

                                                                    #34
                                                                    andywend is a perfect example of a clueless neonitwit.

                                                                    I gave two factual events of how Dumbya manipulated oil prices (unnecessarily filling up SPR which tripled the price of barrel of oil overnight; Invading Iraq which put their oil production offline) and the nutjob omits them in his response.

                                                                    But thats the M.O. of most neonitwits isnt it?..... they can't handle the truth so they sweep it under the rug and pretend like it never happened.

                                                                    Just like when Bush was warned about hijackings for 8 months prior to 9-11 and did nothing. Just like how Fannie Mae regulator warned him about the subprime crisis and instead of heeding his warnings he FIRED him instead!
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                                                                    • wtf
                                                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                                                      • 08-22-08
                                                                      • 12983

                                                                      #35
                                                                      my point is yes, they were acting within the rules

                                                                      they placed their bets, they lost

                                                                      they should collapse, plain and simple
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