Do successful bettors ever become mods?

rjt721 · 02-06-09, 07:19 PM

Another shot at CrazyL. You're really pathetic.

MonkeyF0cker · 02-06-09, 07:22 PM

Ganch and Justin seem to do just fine. However, if you are successful as a handicapper, why would you wanna be a mod?

The General · 02-06-09, 07:22 PM

It is really pretty true that when one becomes a mod, the picks go to hell. To much thinking about the job and less careful thought to something as trivial as Gambling.

fearless · 02-06-09, 07:23 PM

I think this website is a lot like other media. The sponsors can call the shots in many ways. Do you think the sponsors of this site want a mod who hangs out here 8 hours a day posting winning picks all the time? Just my two cents.

daggerkobe · 02-06-09, 07:23 PM

Talk about a stalker.

Why dont u go jerkoff to your de la homo pics where hes dressed in fishnet bodysuit or something.

daggerkobe · 02-06-09, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker

Ganch and Justin seem to do just fine. However, if you are successful as a handicapper, why would you wanna be a mod?

Exactly.

RogueScholar · 02-06-09, 07:29 PM

I was going to make the same point, that anyone who can generate money from the sportsbooks would only have cause to have another job if they were dissatisfied with the collars the books put on them. I'm sure a few would enjoy the job just for something to do, but as the list of profitable gamblers is short, the subset of that list with people who would be interested in a job at SBR has to be infinitesimal.

jjgold · 02-06-09, 07:32 PM

Mods are definitely failed bettors or guys that are flat broke and got fired on numerous other jobs.

daggerkobe · 02-06-09, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by fearless

I think this website is a lot like other media. The sponsors can call the shots in many ways. Do you think the sponsors of this site want a mod who hangs out here 8 hours a day posting winning picks all the time? Just my two cents.

Well im talking about even before they become mods.

All the current mods on covers i knew prior to them being hired as mods and they were pretty bad.

The best ive seen a mod do was 51% +15u in MLB and he stopped mid season cause he went on a long skid.

Mudcat · 02-06-09, 07:37 PM

I was fully self-employed as a bettor when I took a mod job here in July 2005.

So the answer to the topic question is, yes, it can happen.

Believe it or not, I did it because I wanted to give back to the industry which had been so good to me. I appreciated the things SBR did in the pre-forum days and wanted to be a part of it. That's just the kind of crackpot I am.

However when I discovered that the mod job was not what I thought it would be, I dropped the side-gig and just stuck with the betting.

sickler · 02-06-09, 07:37 PM

More likely for a mod to become a successful bettor than vice-versa.

fearless · 02-06-09, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Well im talking about even before they become mods.

All the current mods on covers i knew prior to them being hired as mods and they were pretty bad.

The best ive seen a mod do was 51% +15u in MLB and he stopped mid season cause he went on a long skid.

I don't think you got my point. I'm insinuating that the sponsors may not want SBR to hire a successful handicapper as a mod. Therefore, successful cappers would be ruled out from the start of the hiring process. It's just a thought. The entertainment industry, newspapers, magazines, etc. works like that so why not a site like this?

I have no clue but I'm saying it's possible.

fearless · 02-06-09, 07:40 PM

Originally posted by Mudcat

I was fully self-employed as a bettor when I took a mod job here in July 2005.

So the answer to the topic question is, yes, it can happen.

Believe it or not, I did it because I wanted to give back to the industry which had been so good to me. I appreciated the things SBR did in the pre-forum days and wanted to be a part of it. That's just the kind of crackpot I am.

However when I discovered that the mod job was not what I thought it would be, I dropped the side-gig and just stuck with the betting.

I guess I was wrong then.

pico · 02-06-09, 07:47 PM

i thought mudcat is now a rec bettor

daggerkobe · 02-06-09, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by fearless

I don't think you got my point. I'm insinuating that the sponsors may not want SBR to hire a successful handicapper as a mod. Therefore, successful cappers would be ruled out from the start of the hiring process. It's just a thought. The entertainment industry works, newspapers, magazines, etc. works like that so why not a site like this?

I have no clue but I'm saying it's possible.

What about Ganch & Justin?

Some swear by them that they are succesful bettors. I have never seen a single pick from them so i couldnt tell.

durito · 02-06-09, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

What about Ganch & Justin?

Some swear by them that they are succesful bettors. I have never seen a single pick from them so i couldnt tell.

If you can't tell by their posts whether or not they are successful at this then odds are quite good that you aren't.

fearless · 02-06-09, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by durito

If you can't tell by their posts whether or not they are successful at this then odds are quite good that you aren't.

Being a smart person or a good gambler doesn't make you good at sportsbetting. My Dad's been a pro poker player for over 20 years and he will not touch sportsbetting except for very small bets with friends and family.

He always used to tell me that he'd see great poker players who would make a ton of money playing poker and lose all that money doing sportsbetting. Your logic is really lacking here durito.

daggerkobe · 02-06-09, 08:01 PM

How can anyone tell if someone is a successful bettor if they dont post picks?

I mean look at Pete Rose. He has forgotten more baseball than everyonr here combined will ever know. Yet he in debt over a million dollars betting it. He lost even when betting his own team!!!!

Same with Ron Meyers, former head coach of the Colts and Patriots. Knows more football than everyone here combined... yet his picks were awful.

Theories and strategies mean nothing until u can prove it with results. And the only way to do so is to post picks.

pavyracer · 02-06-09, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by durito

If you can't tell by their posts whether or not they are successful at this then odds are quite good that you aren't.

I have never met a succesful gambler that works another job.

RogueScholar · 02-06-09, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by pavyracer

I have never met a succesful gambler that works another job.

So are you lying about being a successful gambler or being a strctural engineer? You claim to be both, and now you claim that they're mutually exclusive. Can't have your cake and eat it too, Pavyboy.

The General · 02-06-09, 08:09 PM

Put it this way. I go to try and handicap a game. Then, a I try and use my strategy, I receive a sports book complaint, then a reported post, then a mgmt task, then a chore at home needing attended, then a call from a family member needing something, then a poster needed some assistance, then an IM session about whatever, then a bill to pay, then a Cook to manage, then a call from one of my kids, then another dispute email, then I need to walk/exercise, then I need to piss, Maybe even a break, then a phone call, etc...

How do you keep your head in the game?

fearless · 02-06-09, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by RogueScholar

So are you lying about being a successful gambler or being a strctural engineer? You claim to be both, and now you claim that they're mutually exclusive. Can't have your cake and eat it too, Pavyboy.

I think his brain is like a random number generator. He just posts whatever random thing comes into his head.

daggerkobe · 02-06-09, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by fearless

Being a smart person or a good gambler doesn't make you good at sportsbetting. My Dad's been a pro poker player for over 20 years and he will not touch sportsbetting except for very small bets with friends and family.

He always used to tell me that he'd see great poker players who would make a ton of money playing poker and lose all that money doing sportsbetting. Your logic is really lacking here durito.

Exactly.

Before the season burito claimed teasers were easy $$$$$ and cited Justin as the teaser guru. I disagreed as I had never seen anyone make real money doing it

I checked his record towards the end of the season and he was 1 game over .500!!!!!!! Maybe enough money for a taxi fare. But there were dozens of straight bettors hitting 55% and better.

I stand by my position that u cant make money betting teasers exclusively.

pico · 02-06-09, 08:13 PM

if you're well known on the main forum...you're not a successful gambler.

durito · 02-06-09, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by fearless

Being a smart person or a good gambler doesn't make you good at sportsbetting. My Dad's been a pro poker player for over 20 years and he will not touch sportsbetting except for very small bets with friends and family.

He always used to tell me that he'd see great poker players who would make a ton of money playing poker and lose all that money doing sportsbetting. Your logic is really lacking here durito.

My logic is lacking? Your comparison is irrelevant.

Ganchrow and Justin have discussed advantage sports gambling and sportsbooks here at SBR for years. The information they have posted on this forum in incredibly valuable to anyone seeking to learn how to win at sportsbetting (and yes that has from time to time included a "pick" -- although the other info is far more valuable). Like I said, if you read through their posts and can't conclude that they in fact win at this, then I'd suggest reading the posts again.

durito · 02-06-09, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Exactly.

Before the season burito claimed teasers were easy $$$$$ and cited Justin as the teaser guru. I disagreed as I had never seen anyone make real money doing it

I checked his record towards the end of the season and he was 1 game over .500!!!!!!! Maybe enough money for a taxi fare. But there were dozens of straight bettors hitting 55% and better.

I stand by my position that u cant make money betting teasers exclusively.

What would you say was the fair price on the following teaser.

NFL:

Home Team +2 -110/-110 Total 38 (teased 6 pts to +8)
Home Team -8 -110/-110 Total 40 (teased 6pts to -2)

RogueJuror · 02-06-09, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by RogueScholar

So are you lying about being a successful gambler or being a strctural engineer? You claim to be both, and now you claim that they're mutually exclusive. Can't have your cake and eat it too, Pavyboy.

Pavy's game has gotten weak, I use to be a fan but now it has deteriorated to excrement level. We want the old Pavy back.

fearless · 02-06-09, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by durito

My logic is lacking? Your comparison is irrelevant.

Ganchrow and Justin have discussed advantage sports gambling and sportsbooks here at SBR for years. The information they have posted on this forum in incredibly valuable to anyone seeking to learn how to win at sportsbetting (and yes that has from time to time included a "pick" -- although the other info is far more valuable). Like I said, if you read through their posts and can't conclude that they in fact win at this, then I'd suggest reading the posts again.

What you're saying is akin to saying that a good business teacher will always be a successful businessperson. They're too different things entirely and they often have little to do with one another.

One involves understanding theory and being able to explain the theory well. (Being a good business teacher.)

A successful businessperson may or may not understand theory but they can be successful regardless. Being a good business teacher has little to do with being a successful businessperson.

daggerkobe · 02-06-09, 08:30 PM

Why was Justin the teaser guru 1 game over .500?

Again no offense to Justin as burito is the one who brought ur name up first.

Could it be that even smart people with unproven theories and strategies dont necessarily make good gamblers?

daggerkobe · 02-06-09, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by fearless

What you're saying is akin to saying that a good business teacher will always be a successful businessperson. They're too different things entirely and they often have little to do with one another.

One involves understanding theory and being able to explain the theory well. (Being a good business teacher.)

A successful businessperson may or may not understand theory but they can be successful regardless. Being a good business teacher has little to do with being a successful businessperson.

Those who cant do, teach.

fearless · 02-06-09, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by daggerkobe

Why was Justin the teaser guru 1 game over .500?

Again no offense to Justin as burito is the one who brought ur name up first.

Could it be that even smart people with unproven theories and strategies dont necessarily make good gamblers?

I attended business school for 6 years and most of the business teachers (especially the best ones) were not cut out for the business world. It was obvious to me.

durito · 02-06-09, 08:37 PM

Your logic is lacking dagger. I have no idea what teasers Justin posted on here this year. If it's true they were 1 game over .500, my answer is so what?

Basic strategy teasers were not profitable in the NFL this year, it was not the first time they had a bad year and surely won't be the last. In the long run they will win (and they are hardly the only way to use teasers). (regular season only, preseason was a gold mine)

Don't believe me?

Take a look at pinnacle

Every week you see NFL lines of -1 -122/+114 instead of -2.5 -105/-105 or so. Same thing with 9 instead of 7.5 -8.5. Why? they will not accept teasers across 3 and 7 in NFL. EVER. They do it for a reason.

5 years ago there were tons of books offering even money on an NFL 2 team 6pt teaser. Now there are virtually NONE. Again, they do this for a reason.

Basic strategy teasers are hardly rocket science. This is like sports gambling 101. Have you not read Wong's book?

Mudcat · 02-06-09, 08:38 PM

It slipped my mind but Marc was also one of the original mods here with Illusion and I. I don't know what Marc is up to now but he was a successful bettor at the time.

The reason he slips my mind is because he did so little as a mod. He poked his head in once in awhile and said something about a sportsbook - then we wouldn't see him for awhile.

Looking back it was kind of funny. I guess he pocketed a few mod cheques and was, shall we say, discontinued.

But, at least technically, he would have to be considered another "yes" answer to the topic question.

MonkeyF0cker · 02-06-09, 08:38 PM

Originally posted by fearless

What you're saying is akin to saying that a good business teacher will always be a successful businessperson. They're too different things entirely and they often have little to do with one another.

One involves understanding theory and being able to explain the theory well. (Being a good business teacher.)

A successful businessperson may or may not understand theory but they can be successful regardless. Being a good business teacher has little to do with being a successful businessperson.

Actually, it's nothing like that. It's closer to someone with advanced computer algorithms being able to predict movement in the stock market vs. someone throwing darts at the business pages hoping to pick a stock that trends upward that day.